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leo is the founder of the youtube

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channel actualized.org and describes

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himself as a psychonaut and a mystic leo

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is a proponent of idealism that is that

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material and also a proponent that you

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are god you've simply forgotten that you

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rupert spyro and leo click on the

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timestamp in the description if you'd

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like to skip this intro for those new to

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this channel my name is kurt jaimongal

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i'm a filmmaker with a background in

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mathematical physics interested in

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explicating what are called theories of

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everything predominantly from a

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mathematical physics perspective as well

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as delineating the possible connection

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consciousness has to the fundamental

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laws provided these laws exist at all

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and are knowable to us this is an

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episode that you'll benefit greatly from

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watching twice perhaps the second time

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at a much higher speed mainly because

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many may be turned off by the certainty

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at which leo expresses some of his views

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however around the four hour mark leo

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expresses the doubt that he has the

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skepticism he has which not only

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humanizes him but makes his propositions

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more palatable often people reject

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propositions thinking that they're

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dispassionately assessing the arguments

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when in fact they dislike the person

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ideas themselves disentangling these is

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a non-trivial act but an exigent one

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given our tendencies for dismissal yet

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simultaneous longing for acceptance leo

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around the six hour mark we realized i

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hadn't even gone through half of my

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notes at that point so in about a week

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or two weeks we'll be uploading a part

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two mainly focused on him whereas this

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episode is focused on his ideas if you

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enjoy engaging with others in real time

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perhaps just witnessing perhaps not

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engaging on consciousness physics and

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psychology then check the description

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for the theories of everything discord

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that's patreon.com

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i watched a few of the ufo ones which

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okay why don't you briefly outline to

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the audience your world view as well as

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my world view is so different from yours

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this communication gap with our language

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try to imagine that you're you met

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someone from a ufo like they beamed you

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somehow and they are a total they have a

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totally different world view than humans

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and if anybody can do it it's you

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because of how open-minded you are in

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understanding of what's going on in life

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you have to

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be way more open-minded than most people

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are willing to be

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and i don't see that as being a problem

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with you

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but for your audience they also need to

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keep that in mind and and you guys

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should be very grateful

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to kurt because he's modeling for you

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exactly the kind of attitude you need in

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order to get answers to these big

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questions that i know you guys have

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the toe question

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i'll put an asterisk there because you i

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think you give me a bit too much credit

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i

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for the truth because the truth can be

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mercilessly eviscerating and i'm too

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selfish to accept it in any form that

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it's willing to take

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that's um

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that's exactly right is most people

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underestimate

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how serious truth is most people try to

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treat truth or even the idea of what you

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call developing a veltang

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a world view you know the ultimate

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understanding of reality

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people treat this as just like an

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academic armchair pursuit it's like oh

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we can just sit around a coffee table

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and just kind of shoot the

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and

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kind of speculate about stuff

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that's one pursuit

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and then the things that i'm going to be

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talking about you have to understand

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these are not going to be speculations

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these are not things that i've

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speculated about these are not theories

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that i have

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these are things you can become directly

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conscious of and that is a very

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significant difference a lot of what you

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see from very intelligent people people

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with really high iqs

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at academia and in universities

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they tell themselves that they're

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pursuing truth but they're really not

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they're theorizing they're lost in

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conceptual terrain

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going deeper and deeper down conceptual

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rabbit holes without really getting to

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the bottom of what reality is and it

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becomes an avoidance mechanism and

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people who tend to be very intellectual

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have a serious problem here is they

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assume that oh well reality can just be

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figured out using my rational intellect

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and that is an assumption you have to

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realize that needs to be questioned

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maybe that's not true maybe there's

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something deeper than just your

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rationality that is required for you to

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really get to the bottom of what reality

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i agree

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i also would say that with regard to the

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open mindedness of this channel it's

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more like i'm not in curious i wouldn't

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even call myself curious because

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i'm curious only about a certain subset

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of subjects

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reality physics

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so i'm exceedingly inquisitive about

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those and i use my intuitions and my

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judgments which they are judgments like

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kurt is

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if you're not curious and you're not

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open-minded i don't know who is

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so i basically i'm treating this like a

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professor during office hours i'm going

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to voice my concerns in real time as

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much as i can but i'm i'm pretty much

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here to learn

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and perpend in the here and now

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like an immediate mentation which is why

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i'm often

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going to be serious i often am serious

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because i'm thinking

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sure yeah we need to have a dialogue

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because because see also um

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as much as i would like to give you all

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the answers i i literally could

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so the shocking thing about

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what you'll if you ultimately crack the

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final nut of what existence is the

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shocking thing is that you will have

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virtually every answer to all of the big

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questions you know why does reality

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exist what is it doing here where did it

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come from who created it um how does it

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work what is life about what is the

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purpose of all this why is there

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something rather than nothing like all

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these questions

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the the crazy thing is you can answer

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them definitively

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but

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the problem is will you be able to

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communicate them to others and that's

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the thing that's going to kill you the

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most is that you will have all these

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profound answers but

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it's not it's not as simple as just

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telling them to somebody i can't just

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write them in a book

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it's a it's a very deeply personal

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process that you must go through

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to awaken yourself to these answers and

401
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a lot of these answers are emotionally

402
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difficult

403
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uh

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to accept

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and so

406
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my job is to guide you in that not to

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give you the answers

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okay we've just got through the

409
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disclaimers and almost like about your

410
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worldview rather than the worldview

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itself but before we get to the world

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view i'm curious it sounds like what

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you're mentioning is one needs to embody

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one's philosophy which i'm a proponent

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of but i'm unclear as to what exactly

416
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that means so can you give me

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three examples of what or two examples

418
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of what that means what does it mean to

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embody a philosophy

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well i don't know if i would even

421
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i think that even that is too shallow a

422
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way to put it to embody one's philosophy

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is to

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or still as a as some sort of

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theoretical framework that one adopts a

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set of beliefs or set of principles one

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adopts and that one lives by now by all

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means that's important to do in order to

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develop yourself

430
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at a practical level in the world you

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know for example uh truth is an

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important principle and so

433
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in general you should try to be as

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truthful as possible try to be

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intellectually honest

436
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uh try to be honest with yourself try to

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be honest with others try to have high

438
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integrity uh try not to cheat not to

439
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steal you know these sorts of things

440
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this would be in alignment with truth

441
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other other aspects of philosophy that

442
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one might want to um actually embody

443
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well okay forget about that forget about

444
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what people should embody what i mean is

445
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what's the difference between

446
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intellectually knowing something and

447
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then living it so

448
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peterson often says that you may say

449
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that you're an atheist but you live as

450
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if god exists so that's an example i get

451
00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:44,079
you okay

452
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um

453
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it's very easy for the mind to adopt any

454
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kind of belief system it wants like

455
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literally people around the world have

456
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all sorts of crazy belief systems

457
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religious ones and secular ones

458
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and so

459
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um

460
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:04,000
it's easy to tell yourself that you

461
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believe in god or you believe this or

462
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you're an atheist or whatever you're a

463
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materialist you're a you can even call

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yourself a scientist and fancy yourself

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a great scientist

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these are ideas and the mind is so

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self-deceptive that it loves to concoct

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fantasies about itself

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that's how it builds its identity that's

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how it

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gets a sense of who it is and what it is

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so

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you know oftentimes we we portray

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ourselves in our mind as these really

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good people who are very truthful and

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very selfless and very honest but in in

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reality we're not that we're very

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selfish

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it's a constant process of of holding

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your own feet to the fire and really

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being honest with yourself like am i

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living up to my own ideals whatever they

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are

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like if you believe in god and you're a

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religious person

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um and and and maybe you tell yourself

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that

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you know it

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jesus you know cared for the poor and

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the sick you might have these sorts of

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beliefs and you might say jesus is the

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highest savior like if you're a

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christian

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okay that's fine but then in your own

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life do you actually behave like jesus

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do you actually care about the poor and

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the sick or are you voting for example

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for politicians who are giving tax

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breaks to giant corporations and cutting

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welfare programs

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right you see so there's going to be a

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disconnect there and a lot of people

503
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they live their life in one way and then

504
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in another way they have all sorts of

505
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lofty ideas about how spiritual or how

506
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good they are and even scientific people

507
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do this for example in science there's a

508
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lot of ideals about what the ideal

509
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:42,559
scientist is the ideal scientist is

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open-minded and mentally flexible and

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willing to entertain all sorts of ideas

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but then you sit down with the scientist

513
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and you try to talk to him about

514
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something a little bit woo-woo and all

515
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of a sudden his mind just shuts down and

516
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no longer is he that kind of open-minded

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scientist that he

518
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is supposed to be or she she of course

519
00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:04,400
yeah okay let's get to your world view

520
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and how it contrasts with non-dualism

521
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and physicalism as well

522
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which means you may need to give an

523
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an explanation at least a brief one of

524
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nondualism and physicalism as well

525
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:15,760
before giving your worldview okay right

526
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so i would contend that i don't even

527
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that that what i'm going to be talking

528
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there exists such a thing as absolute

529
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truth and you can become directly

530
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conscious of it the absolute truth is

531
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that there is only one thing that exists

532
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and that is infinite consciousness what

533
00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:38,000
you are is infinite consciousness

534
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and that's the only thing that exists or

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could ever exist and you can become

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infinitely and absolutely conscious of

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this fact

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what this means is that you are god

539
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what this means is that literally you

540
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have

541
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imagined the entire universe and you're

542
00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:58,720
imagining it right now so this very

543
00:19:01,909 --> 00:19:00,240
physical experience that you believe

544
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:01,919
that you're having right now this is

545
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,160
actually a hallucination within your own

546
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:06,480
mind you are dreaming an infinite dream

547
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,280
which involves infinite other beings

548
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,440
and this is all your own creation it's a

549
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,600
complete illusion and if you ever stop

550
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:15,840
dreaming it it will all disappear just

551
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,400
like the dream you have when you sleep

552
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:20,000
at night and in fact there is no

553
00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:21,520
distinction whatsoever between the

554
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:23,919
dreams you have at night and this very

555
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:26,080
experience you're having right now or

556
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any other experience that you could ever

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possibly have

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00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,880
and so ultimately what i teach is i

559
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:34,640
try to guide people towards the

560
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:38,640
realization or the awakening

561
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,840
to the fact that they are god and then

562
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,240
there are questions of what is god and

563
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,880
how did god come about and many many

564
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,480
nuances that come with that and we can

565
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,640
elaborate upon those but fundamentally

566
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,320
that would be my world view it's it's

567
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,799
actually a very simple world view if you

568
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,559
put it like that the only thing that

569
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:58,799
there exists is infinite consciousness

570
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,520
infinite imagination and this very

571
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:03,600
conversation and you sitting there

572
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:04,880
listening to me

573
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:07,360
uh are hallucinating this very

574
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:09,840
experience right now

575
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,400
you use that word hallucination and you

576
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,159
don't mind using it whereas most people

577
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:16,080
would shy away from it so why don't you

578
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,520
define it

579
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,120
well it's i actually mean it in a very

580
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,200
technical sense so if you go to a

581
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,200
dictionary and look up hallucination or

582
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,880
you look up the definition of what a

583
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,400
hallucination is

584
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,720
uh in a psychological textbook what

585
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,000
they'll tell you is something along the

586
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,400
lines of like this i'm paraphrasing now

587
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,880
it's going to be like

588
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:35,760
a

589
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:40,000
sort of like

590
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,840
you're getting a perception but there's

591
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,440
nothing behind

592
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,280
the perceptions there's nothing sourcing

593
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,360
the perceptions so that's the technical

594
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,360
definition of what hallucination is

595
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,360
and that is literally

596
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,679
what your physical body is your physical

597
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:55,520
body is an appearance

598
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,960
and there is nothing behind the

599
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,960
appearance other than the appearance

600
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:03,350
so in my worldview you might say there

601
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:04,400
is no distinction between a

602
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,710
uh the only difference there though is

603
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,880
that usually

604
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,120
colloquially when we say hallucination

605
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:17,440
we use it in a derogatory sense it comes

606
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,960
with a negative connotation the

607
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:20,880
connotation is that oh it's just an

608
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:23,280
illusion it's not real it's not material

609
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,559
it's not

610
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:27,120
physical hard stuff

611
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,880
this is a sort of a conventional

612
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,320
distinction that we've made and we use

613
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:32,320
it to smear others like oh that's just

614
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,760
hallucination something like that right

615
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,919
um

616
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:39,919
and so the way we made that distinction

617
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:42,400
is that we told ourselves

618
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,280
that

619
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:44,799
those hallucinations which are

620
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,919
consistent and persist for a long period

621
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:48,960
of time

622
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,360
those we call reality

623
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:53,679
and then those which are temporary or

624
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,400
fleeting those we call dreams or

625
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,640
illusions or hallucinations you see so

626
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,120
we've we've actually taken the entire

627
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,120
absolute domain of hallucinations and

628
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,799
we've carved it up and we've called one

629
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,200
half the hallucinations reality because

630
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,600
that's what we

631
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,760
live in it's consistent and then all the

632
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,600
inconsistent ones we've relegated those

633
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,159
sort of to the dustbin and we um

634
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,320
denigrate those so for example if you

635
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:20,159
have a vision of an angel you'll say oh

636
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,679
that's just hallucination

637
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,840
but when you see a coffee table in front

638
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,480
of you like i'm looking at back there

639
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:28,320
you would say well that coffee table is

640
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,120
real

641
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,200
it's not a hallucination but the only

642
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,880
reason we say it's not a hallucination

643
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,320
is simply because it's just more it's

644
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:35,520
just a more

645
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,480
steady form of hallucination

646
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,320
you watch the ctm you watch chris

647
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,240
langan's video and in the ctmu he

648
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:44,080
defines reality as the intersection

649
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,600
between different

650
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,600
observers so what's wrong with that

651
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,679
definition of reality

652
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,600
uh well

653
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,120
my view and chris lennon's you actually

654
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,960
have a lot in common we have some

655
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,720
important disagreements but we have a

656
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:58,559
lot in common i would say maybe 80

657
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,520
percent of our worldview is

658
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:01,039
fundamentally in con for example he says

659
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,840
that

660
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,760
uh everything is mind

661
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,600
everything is the the mind of god i

662
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,520
completely agree with that

663
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:09,360
um he has a notion called distributed

664
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,799
solipsism which sounds much like yours

665
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:15,039
and bernardo's point of view which is

666
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,240
that we're all

667
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,480
part of the same observer but we're also

668
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:20,080
all different at the same time it's

669
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,360
distributed solipsism it gets extremely

670
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,520
tricky the issue of solipsism will want

671
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,280
to leave this to ask me again about

672
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:29,520
solipsism later in this conversation

673
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,640
because we have to build up to it

674
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,400
because the solipsism question is like

675
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,679
the most popular and the most

676
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,600
controversial and the most confusing

677
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:37,039
question for people and that's because

678
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:38,480
they don't have enough the foundation we

679
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,600
have to build a bit of foundation over

680
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,520
the next few hours to get to it but but

681
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,600
hold on i wanna i don't wanna

682
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,840
i wanna address the the issue yeah

683
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,520
distributed solipsism you could call it

684
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,760
that it really much depends it's very

685
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,279
relativistic so it really depends on

686
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,279
what what level of consciousness you're

687
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,960
looking at it from so if you're looking

688
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,320
at reality from a low level of

689
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,240
consciousness like from that of a human

690
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,600
then it does seem like uh you have real

691
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,600
conscious agents in the world out there

692
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,520
who are separate from you you have other

693
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,279
humans animals and so forth

694
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,279
but as you increase your consciousness

695
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,039
you become more conscious and as you

696
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,640
approach infinite consciousness what

697
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,799
happens is that the boundaries between

698
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,720
all those observers collapse until

699
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,799
literally they all merge and physically

700
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,039
fuse into you and then at the highest

701
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,720
level of consciousness

702
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:24,720
at god consciousness you literally

703
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,440
realize that there's only one

704
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,120
conscious entity in the entire universe

705
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,440
and that is you and nothing else

706
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,880
and then there's many gradations in

707
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,039
between that so it depends upon you know

708
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,120
how conscious you are and you can you

709
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:38,880
can erase and play with all of these

710
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,880
different uh boundaries that the the

711
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,279
the mind imagines so one other

712
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,120
additional point that's important to my

713
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,720
world you we might say about your

714
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:51,600
previous question is that

715
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:54,720
in my world view

716
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,750
thing

717
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:00,400
is

718
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:05,120
an infinite mind

719
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,159
so

720
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:08,720
for example um

721
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,310
uh between a human and an animal

722
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,310
uh most people most materialists would

723
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,320
take that as a like a a physical

724
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,760
objective difference a physical

725
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:25,520
objective distinction there's humans and

726
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,720
there's animals and that's just how

727
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,559
reality is

728
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,080
in my world view

729
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:31,919
all of those boundaries all of those

730
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,640
dualities can be dissolved

731
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:35,840
and so

732
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,039
for example

733
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,679
the the distinction between

734
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,440
reality and a dream that can get

735
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:43,440
dissolved the distinction between a man

736
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,039
and a woman that can get dissolved the

737
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,080
distinction between um

738
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:50,480
my body and this room can get dissolved

739
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,679
the distinction between

740
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,840
love and hate that can get dissolved so

741
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,760
literally any physical distinction or

742
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:59,440
any conceptual distinction that you can

743
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,320
make

744
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,559
they are all imaginary and they can

745
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,159
either be imagined or they can be

746
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,000
unimagined

747
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,919
so there is no

748
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,159
distinction that exists objectively as

749
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,400
an absolute which means that reality by

750
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,120
itself is infinitely infinitely free to

751
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,279
imagine whatever it wants and as long as

752
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,360
it's imagining it that distinction holds

753
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,880
and as soon as it stops imagining it

754
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,720
that distinction disappears

755
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:25,120
so for example the distinction between

756
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,960
you and me leo and kurt

757
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,640
that distinction can either be imagined

758
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,240
or it can be unimagined if it's

759
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,080
unimagined then literally there will be

760
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:36,000
no difference between leo and kurt but

761
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,840
as long as i'm imagining it and you're

762
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,080
imagining it then we can create

763
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,520
that

764
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,279
distinction and then it will appear as

765
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,640
though it is real and remember

766
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:49,120
reality in my model is

767
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,720
imagination so if you imagine it

768
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,279
it is indistinguishable from reality so

769
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,520
even the distinction between real and

770
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,799
unreal or reality and fantasy in my

771
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,240
world view

772
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:04,480
that's an imaginary distinction

773
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:07,919
it only exists if you believe it exists

774
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,120
and if you don't then it disappears

775
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:13,520
what are the constraints on reality

776
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,190
that's a that's a that's a very good

777
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:21,279
question professor of chris langan's

778
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,320
point of view even though i'm bringing

779
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,480
it up again but chris langan would say

780
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,440
that

781
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,360
for people who say physics is illusory

782
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,240
physics is actually an integral part of

783
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,520
reality and that there are certain

784
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:33,840
constraints on reality and that in fact

785
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,720
consciousness depends on physical

786
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,960
matter sorry right consciousness depends

787
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,360
on physics in the same way that physics

788
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,360
depends on consciousness

789
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,520
right there's some partial truth to that

790
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,200
in that everything sort of is a two-way

791
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,120
street um

792
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,600
so i kind of hear him on that but fun my

793
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,440
fundamental criticism of chris langan

794
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,120
would be and i mean he's a he's a

795
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,200
brilliant guy and i would consider him

796
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,520
um

797
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:01,279
uh

798
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,799
he probably has one of the best models

799
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,960
of consciousness and reality that i've

800
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,799
ever seen of all the sort of other

801
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,960
mainstream academics and scientists it's

802
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,200
the most rigorous of all that are

803
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,360
similar to non-dualism

804
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,360
yeah so there's a lot of similarity

805
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,799
there but fundamentally what i would

806
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,480
still say is that even though he's like

807
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,559
maybe 80 90 right

808
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,240
uh in the end it's just a model it's

809
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,080
just conceptual so what he's done is

810
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,159
he's he's had a remarkable conceptual

811
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,279
achievement

812
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,720
but it's just still in the realm of

813
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,399
concept and i don't consider him to be

814
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,960
awake or to be god realized so there is

815
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,200
a difference between having a a really

816
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,080
good model of god and then actually

817
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,080
realizing that you are god or being

818
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:42,080
infinitely conscious these are two

819
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,799
radically different things and so um

820
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,720
i mean i think he's done about as good

821
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,760
as you could probably do in the

822
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,919
conceptual domain if you're gonna stick

823
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,320
to like the sort of he's playing the

824
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,919
academic game his writing is very

825
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,000
academic you know he's writing almost

826
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,240
like a physicist would write so as far

827
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,240
as that goes i mean it's fine

828
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,320
um but there are

829
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:06,159
way way way higher states of

830
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,279
consciousness that you can reach and

831
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,880
there is much deeper understanding that

832
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,240
you can have than what you would get

833
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,480
through chris langan's models

834
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,919
so what was your question again about

835
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:15,039
his model

836
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,360
illusory or that physics could be

837
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,720
whatever it likes there are actually

838
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,720
bounds on physics there are bounds on

839
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,240
consciousness

840
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,320
what are called mutually defining

841
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,159
parameters i believe so right one

842
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:30,559
definition depends on the other

843
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:33,760
um so um so all of physics is purely

844
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:37,039
imaginary um and the way you can verify

845
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,159
that for yourself is when you're

846
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,679
dreaming when you're dreaming none of

847
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,159
the laws of physics apply right isn't

848
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,399
that right

849
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,640
okay now chris langan would say

850
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:48,799
no there's a certain syntax that's still

851
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,279
there even though there are

852
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:53,440
even though a rock may float

853
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,799
or uh

854
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:57,039
or fire may be water

855
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,470
it's more more than logic it's more like

856
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,640
metal logic there's certain radiological

857
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:05,760
principles

858
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,480
and i hear that i understand why someone

859
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,919
would say that

860
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,919
and um and

861
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,799
and

862
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:14,320
you could you could say that in a

863
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,520
certain sense

864
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,840
um it depends on like you it's we start

865
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,000
to get into very kind of like niggly

866
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,520
territory we're splitting hairs

867
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,760
but i would just say that

868
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,440
what humans what ordinary humans

869
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,279
consider logical

870
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,919
and logically necessary

871
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,840
uh

872
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,039
you can experience states of

873
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,480
consciousness where all of that flies

874
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,399
out the window and i would actually even

875
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,399
suggest that most of you have in your

876
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,039
dreams a lot of illogical stuff happens

877
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,559
in your dreams now you can still say

878
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,559
that well you know in your dreams if

879
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,919
you're dreaming

880
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:49,200
that

881
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,880
there's a chair in front of you well you

882
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,799
can't also if there's a chair in front

883
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,559
of you in your dream you might say well

884
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,559
it's there that means you can't also say

885
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:02,000
that it's not there at the same time

886
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,960
that would be like a logical

887
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,799
contradiction right so maybe that's what

888
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,640
you're saying with chris lang's word no

889
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,120
no no no because i believe that he has

890
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,200
interesting views on logical paradox and

891
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,640
that imagine there's a physical realm

892
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:14,159
within a non-physical realm i believe he

893
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:15,120
would call it the terminal of the

894
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:16,320
non-terminal

895
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,519
that

896
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,200
in the non-terminal so more the

897
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,720
non-physical realm

898
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,880
this is an extreme

899
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:24,320
dilution of his ideas but in the

900
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,519
non-physical realm you can have

901
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,120
paradoxes and there are what are called

902
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:29,679
self-resolving paradox but to perceive

903
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,880
an object

904
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,440
in his model would imply a syntax even

905
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,200
to perceive so even if you're perceiving

906
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,919
what's illogical that's fine that's fine

907
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,840
that's illogical in the terminal realm

908
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,960
in the sense that it's not what we

909
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:43,200
ordinarily perceive but the fact of

910
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,559
perceiving implies what's called a

911
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,120
cognitive syntax and there's something

912
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,720
with regard to this syntax that's

913
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,480
universal

914
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,320
yeah i mean

915
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,279
i mean i'm not

916
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,640
i'm not aware of all the technical

917
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,519
details of that model but um i've read

918
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,360
his work a bit but

919
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,960
but the bottom line is i would probably

920
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,720
agree with with much of that

921
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,240
it's just that you have to understand

922
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,640
that um

923
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,480
there are still deeper there are deeper

924
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,080
layers beyond that

925
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,440
so ultimately if we're going to talk

926
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:15,120
about the ultimate absolute highest

927
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,840
level what i can tell you absolutely

928
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:19,600
that you can personally become conscious

929
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,799
of is that reality is up absolutely

930
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:24,880
unlimited in that it has no constraints

931
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,240
on it whatsoever

932
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:29,039
this leads to paradoxes that will

933
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,640
completely shatter your mind like we're

934
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,600
talking about paradoxes that

935
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:36,080
that chris langan can't even fathom so

936
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,799
like

937
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,559
um it's kind of it's an arrogant way to

938
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,919
say it but i mean okay let's talk about

939
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,840
the dream analogy i think i brought this

940
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,840
up to rupert spyra i'm not sure in the

941
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,760
dream analogy many people who are

942
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,200
enlightened or use the word even

943
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,559
enlightenment or

944
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:51,120
that they're awake now awakening even it

945
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,159
implies

946
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,149
this reality somewhat of a dream state

947
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:58,000
they've gotten some higher realization

948
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,440
and now they're awake or at least

949
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:00,960
they're closer to being awake however if

950
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:03,440
it's analogized to a dream in a dream

951
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,480
when you wake up you're now in a

952
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,720
different place completely and in the

953
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,960
dream once you wake up

954
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:10,720
the people in the dream disappear

955
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,519
however you're still here i see you and

956
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:14,960
let's cl let's imagine that you're

957
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:18,240
awakened it's not as if

958
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:19,039
i

959
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,000
you can pop out of that dream and then

960
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:04,240
leah will disappear

961
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,919
for you from your point of view and

962
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:07,440
there is nothing but your own point of

963
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,560
view

964
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,399
because your god

965
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,320
and your point is that we have a shared

966
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,919
dream

967
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,119
who said

968
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,639
okay why is it it seems like we have a

969
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:17,919
shared dream

970
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:21,359
you imagine that we do

971
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,720
right now you're imagining that we have

972
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,000
a shared dream that's what you're

973
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,349
isn't that what's happening

974
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:32,560
have you ever experienced anything but

975
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,550
let me ask another way

976
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:40,879
the problem here is that it's so radical

977
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,560
that your mind is unwilling to accept it

978
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,119
okay let me ask another question

979
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,599
how does one falsify this view

980
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,200
the reason is that it sounds like it's

981
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,720
exactly right the reason is it sounds

982
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,119
like well look anyone who's listening

983
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,760
you have experiences and i can say what

984
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,240
your experiences are even me speaking

985
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:02,400
right now is being

986
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,359
willed

987
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,599
either consciously or unconsciously we

988
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,240
can dissolve that divide at some point

989
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,720
either way it's willed by you and then

990
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:12,320
they say well no because look we can

991
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,680
verify and someone but i say yeah but

992
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,359
even these verifications are within the

993
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,599
realm of your experience there so in

994
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,280
other words there's nothing outside your

995
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,839
experience that seems to be the core

996
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,880
claim

997
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,160
yeah of course

998
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:25,599
yeah

999
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:30,310
the bottom line here is that you have to

1000
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,589
and so um it might seem like to some

1001
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,720
people who are

1002
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,839
just listening to me for the first time

1003
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,040
it might seem like

1004
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,800
this guy just sat down one day and came

1005
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,560
up with some crazy ideas but that's not

1006
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,560
how i got started the way i got started

1007
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:48,160
is very much the way that you guys are

1008
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,520
you guys i've looked at your whole

1009
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,280
community you know the theories of

1010
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,839
everything community um you guys are

1011
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,119
very academically oriented

1012
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,640
intellectually oriented scientifically

1013
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,640
oriented rationally oriented but you're

1014
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,839
also open-minded you know you're open

1015
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,920
minded to ufos and things like this

1016
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,680
which is good um

1017
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,760
but uh

1018
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,920
but but the and i was like that too you

1019
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,480
know in my education was

1020
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:12,720
academic philosophy my education was

1021
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,119
engineering so uh i was very academic um

1022
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,520
you know straight a student

1023
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,680
all this sorts of stuff but for me the

1024
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:23,200
thing was and i was extremely skeptical

1025
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,240
i was skeptical about everything i was

1026
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,560
an atheist from from birth base

1027
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,800
basically i was very rational i wanted

1028
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,720
uh rational answers for everything and

1029
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,280
uh in my youth i would actually debate

1030
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,880
with religious

1031
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,040
you know kids in my school

1032
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,200
i had a i had a friend who was a like a

1033
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,720
devout evangelical christian and we

1034
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,400
would argue about god and to me it made

1035
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,000
no sense how could this guy believe

1036
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,160
there's a god like it's just stories in

1037
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,079
a book like what are you doing these are

1038
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,920
just beliefs you don't actually know if

1039
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,599
there's a god and in fact your direct

1040
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:53,040
experience tells you there is no god

1041
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,160
there is no god in your direct

1042
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,880
experience right now for you atheists

1043
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,720
so um

1044
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,640
so i was like that

1045
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:01,920
but then i started questioning and i

1046
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,040
started to really like ask myself

1047
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,280
how do i know that science is true

1048
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,440
how do i know that materialism is true

1049
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,640
and i started questioning and

1050
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:12,240
questioning and questioning i started

1051
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,670
i even started to question my own

1052
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:19,359
skepticism at one point i started to ask

1053
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,480
wait a minute how do i even know that

1054
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,320
all this questioning i'm doing even that

1055
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,920
is valid like how do i really know

1056
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,280
anything

1057
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,880
eventually what you realize if you

1058
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,880
question deeply enough and you have to

1059
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,640
question really deeply

1060
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,079
um

1061
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,000
is you will realize that the only thing

1062
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,440
you have of reality is this bubble of

1063
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,800
experience right now that you're

1064
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,480
experiencing you have nothing else

1065
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,839
everything else

1066
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,320
is an idea

1067
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,640
or a belief that is also happening

1068
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,240
within the present moment and that

1069
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,720
includes all of science so if you think

1070
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,599
science has proven that material objects

1071
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,920
exist that external physical reality

1072
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,079
exists that atoms exist that you're made

1073
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:00,000
of atoms science has never proven any

1074
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,040
such thing

1075
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,800
science is something that is happening

1076
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,960
within your experience and if you die

1077
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,040
tomorrow all of science will disappear

1078
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:08,880
just like before you were born science

1079
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,630
okay there's so much man that i want to

1080
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:16,320
pick apart and you know because when you

1081
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,079
say that you're right right okay but

1082
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,680
let's get back to this falsifiability

1083
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,480
notion and the dream notion i'm i'm

1084
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,800
curious in the same way that one

1085
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,760
can't falsify that they're in a dream

1086
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,640
can you

1087
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,640
falsify that you're not in a dream

1088
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,320
so can i not make the counter claim i'm

1089
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,320
saying you're leo you're not in a dream

1090
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,640
you think you're in a dream so falsify

1091
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,040
to me that you're not in a dream

1092
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,040
right well

1093
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,440
this is this is a common um point of

1094
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,599
attack that many uh materialists and

1095
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,720
rationalists make it i'm not saying

1096
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:48,079
you're attacking me i'm just i'm just

1097
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,119
saying that

1098
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,880
please don't take the fingerprints no no

1099
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:52,079
by no means

1100
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,119
attacked

1101
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,119
yeah yeah go attack as much as you want

1102
00:39:02,870 --> 00:38:58,000
uh i welcome it but uh uh it's a common

1103
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,630
but what you need to understand is that

1104
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,520
absolute truth can't be falsified

1105
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,680
so there's actually a deep fundamental

1106
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,599
error within science about the notion of

1107
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,400
falsifiability okay well hey man

1108
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,880
right you okay your claim is that right

1109
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,880
there you're in a dream and i'm in a

1110
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:21,040
dream all there exists is simply dream

1111
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,640
right you can't you can't false you

1112
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,240
can't falsify that that's can't that's

1113
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,480
not falsifiable now i'm making i'm

1114
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,400
potentially i'm just hypothetically

1115
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,640
making a counter claim you're not in a

1116
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,760
dream falsify that and i can say well

1117
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,079
that is what is true reality and that is

1118
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,160
unfalsifiable because it's within true

1119
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,480
absolute reality oh except it is fault

1120
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,760
what you're saying so basically you're

1121
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,440
saying materialism is true is that what

1122
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,990
i'm saying the claim is something like

1123
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,599
look you're in a dream this is all being

1124
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:51,520
dreamed up now i'm imagining another

1125
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,720
world that's something similar to the

1126
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,800
matrix where you're just being fed input

1127
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,720
okay so you remember this leo

1128
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,599
fetus somewhere just a fetus form of leo

1129
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:01,119
right and all of these are just being

1130
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,320
you're just being inputted in the same

1131
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,400
way that you would in the matrix falsify

1132
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,079
as your fetus that you're having input

1133
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,319
in you from some other objective world

1134
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,480
let's imagine that other or some other

1135
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,319
ones yes let's just call it other yes

1136
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,160
yeah so you can easily falsify that by

1137
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,800
becoming more conscious

1138
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,640
um see there's no way around

1139
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,160
consciousness because consciousness is

1140
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,920
everything okay

1141
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,079
come on let's have some fun here so yeah

1142
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,680
what do you say look i can falsify that

1143
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:27,520
by becoming more conscious can i not

1144
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,319
make the counter claim that your dream

1145
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,240
like state or sorry your dream like

1146
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,920
theory whatever it is i know i don't try

1147
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:35,680
not to demean it by calling it a theory

1148
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,359
but your dream like proposition is

1149
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:40,720
is

1150
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,079
because you're at a higher level of

1151
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,480
consciousness well can i not say that

1152
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,960
there exists leo an even higher

1153
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,480
consciousness yeah which you would see

1154
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:52,240
that that dream analogy is false right

1155
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,520
so you're basically

1156
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,520
from your level right so you'd be you'd

1157
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,040
be claiming in this case that i'm

1158
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:59,359
self-deceived

1159
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,079
so

1160
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,040
taking the skeptic position you're

1161
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,200
basically saying

1162
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,880
no matter how conscious you become there

1163
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,800
can be an even higher consciousness in

1164
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,319
which one could realize that the

1165
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,240
previous level was just a self-deception

1166
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:14,560
which would undermine the entire thing

1167
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:15,440
great

1168
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,440
easy to

1169
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,720
counter that

1170
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,480
from my position

1171
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:24,079
because what i'm talking about is

1172
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,200
infinity

1173
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,880
and so i'm talking about absolute

1174
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,720
infinity i'm talking about a level of

1175
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,640
consciousness beyond which there is no

1176
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:32,319
other level of consciousness so what i'm

1177
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,359
talking about is a level of

1178
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,720
consciousness which is infinitely

1179
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,960
expanding forever in all directions in

1180
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,520
all dimensions that is imagining all

1181
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,760
possibilities occupying the entire

1182
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,359
possibility space of everything that

1183
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:45,599
could ever possibly exist including all

1184
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,440
simulations all physics all dreams all

1185
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:51,920
fantasies absolutely everything and that

1186
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,560
is what i'm claiming

1187
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,440
is absolute truth and it's from that

1188
00:42:04,870 --> 00:41:59,280
position that i'm speaking

1189
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,510
how do you disprove that

1190
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,040
at the level of conscious just so you

1191
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,800
realize how radical this is

1192
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:12,400
at the level of consciousness that i'm

1193
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,200
talking about absolute infinity

1194
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,960
you are so conscious

1195
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:18,880
that in that every

1196
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,680
idea of falsifiability that arises even

1197
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,520
the notion of self-deception even the

1198
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,680
notion of being wrong

1199
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:27,839
is already part of your consciousness

1200
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,319
and therefore since you incorporate it

1201
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:31,839
it can't apply to you and it can't

1202
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:34,319
debunk the very thing that you are which

1203
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,160
is infinite consciousness infinite

1204
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,000
consciousness includes infinite

1205
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:39,920
self-deception it includes infinite

1206
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,319
number of people being wrong it includes

1207
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,800
infinite fantasy infinite dreams in one

1208
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,160
dream you're dreaming that you're in a

1209
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,319
material reality and that's true for you

1210
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,000
in that dream in another dream you're

1211
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,359
dreaming that you weren't in material

1212
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,960
reality but then you awoke from that

1213
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,240
reality and now you're in some new

1214
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,560
reality and that too is part of infinite

1215
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,720
consciousness and this goes on forever

1216
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,200
so you can never act so

1217
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,440
it's infinitely meta like i mentioned

1218
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,200
before we started talking i'm not

1219
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,040
treating you at all skeptically in my

1220
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,960
hand in my head i'm treating you like

1221
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,349
or i'm treating myself as if i'm an

1222
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,599
imbecile and i'm just i just need to

1223
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,599
listen to you and learn but i'm going to

1224
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:19,040
voice skeptical

1225
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,319
is good there's no problem with

1226
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,000
skepticism sometimes people think that

1227
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:23,839
i'm anti-skeptical no no i'm the most

1228
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,560
skeptical person in the world my only

1229
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,720
suggestion for you is be

1230
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,480
truly skeptical if you claim to be a

1231
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,920
skeptic so if you're going to be

1232
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,000
skeptical be skeptical about your own

1233
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,240
skepticism also be skeptical about

1234
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,240
science be skeptical about logic be

1235
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,240
skeptical about mathematics be skeptical

1236
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,480
about your own ego mind be skeptical

1237
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,240
about every thought that comes into your

1238
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,079
mind because like you said you know you

1239
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,480
can imagine that you are this uh you're

1240
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,400
in a matrix sort of simulation and

1241
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,319
you're being fed from the outside right

1242
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:54,560
you can imagine that well

1243
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,079
but notice you're imagining that

1244
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,560
see so this skeptic line of reasoning

1245
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,240
that you were giving me as sort of a an

1246
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,079
attack against my points

1247
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,599
notice that that's actually something

1248
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,440
you're imagining which is exactly what

1249
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:09,839
i'm saying you're imagining that that's

1250
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,990
okay well see to me it all it's all

1251
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,400
simply comes down to a tautology which

1252
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,200
says you're experiencing experience at

1253
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:25,440
the root of all of what you're saying

1254
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:26,160
and

1255
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,200
there's

1256
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,560
like almost by definition you're

1257
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,079
experiencing experience or you're

1258
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,240
imagining imagination well sorry what

1259
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,880
you're imagining is imaginative

1260
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:36,480
well as chris langan says and i would

1261
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,599
agree is that reality has to be an

1262
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,079
absolute tautology so when you get to

1263
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,680
the highest level of what reality is it

1264
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,920
has to be a tautology it just literally

1265
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,520
is what it is it has to be that in the

1266
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,280
same way that you know one has to equal

1267
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,200
one one is one

1268
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,599
and it in that sense it's profoundly

1269
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,280
simple but also it's very easy to

1270
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,440
overlook because you you see as like

1271
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:59,200
well one equals one that doesn't tell me

1272
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,319
anything new that doesn't help me

1273
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,480
understand anything right and maybe we

1274
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,319
should get back to the point of of your

1275
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:05,680
idea of you know

1276
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,200
trying to develop a belt on song and uh

1277
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,680
and developing a toe

1278
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,960
because there are a lot of

1279
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,560
methodological questions about what a

1280
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,800
toe is and how do you develop one

1281
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,079
for those people who are wondering like

1282
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,760
what the heck did you just say a word

1283
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,599
that i reference frequently on this

1284
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,760
podcast is veltan xiaomi which is a

1285
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,319
german word it it it literally

1286
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:28,000
translates to world vantage point

1287
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:29,200
something like that which sounds like

1288
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,560
world point of view but the way that i

1289
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,880
use it is more of an all-encompassing

1290
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:34,319
world view

1291
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,920
rather than simply because almost all of

1292
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,760
us have world well it seems like to live

1293
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,880
you have to have a worldview you have to

1294
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,720
have a model but not all of us have a

1295
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,960
consistent model that is based in

1296
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,400
ontology and that's what i mean by

1297
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,480
veltan xiaohu and i make an analogy

1298
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,400
between that and theories of everything

1299
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,920
because most physicists think of

1300
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,760
theories of everything as a grand

1301
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:53,440
unified theory that takes into account

1302
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,400
gravity

1303
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,560
and i take it a bit further to

1304
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,720
incorporate some philosophy and even

1305
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,640
psychology so just that's just an

1306
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,440
asterisk see some materialists

1307
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,000
would say that non-dualism is so far out

1308
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:07,440
there that

1309
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,480
it either can't be true it's

1310
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,400
unfalsifiable or whatever they may say

1311
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,599
but for me i view non-dualism as not

1312
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,520
outrageous enough

1313
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,119
because it takes into account

1314
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,960
consciousness which is so direct to our

1315
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,960
experience takes that as fundamental and

1316
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,480
i'm not even sure if consciousness is

1317
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,480
fundamental there may be something epi

1318
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,400
conscious something that's even outside

1319
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,800
consciousness that's not material

1320
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,640
no there can't be because consciousness

1321
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,000
is infinite so

1322
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,000
uh so this is this is a very common trap

1323
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,160
that materialists fall into and people

1324
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,400
who start to study consciousness is that

1325
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,240
they start to imagine things beyond

1326
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,920
consciousness but while they're doing

1327
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,440
that they're not conscious of the fact

1328
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,800
that they're imagining and that it's

1329
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,240
that itself is conscious that doesn't

1330
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,160
matter to me because in the same way you

1331
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,319
had a great video which i i don't i

1332
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,520
don't believe i've watched in quite some

1333
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,920
time on girls in completeness theorem in

1334
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,920
the same way that a formal system can't

1335
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,160
see outside well this is false what i'm

1336
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,400
saying is diluting it but in the same

1337
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,240
way that a formal system in some sense

1338
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,319
can't see outside its own formal system

1339
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,560
like first order logic can't see second

1340
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,200
order logic in that same manner

1341
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,800
it doesn't matter that consciousness

1342
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,560
can't see outside consciousness

1343
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,240
therefore nothing outside consciousness

1344
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,760
exists also it doesn't matter that

1345
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:18,000
consciousness is infinite because to say

1346
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,960
that there's nothing outside

1347
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,559
consciousness because consciousness is

1348
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,119
infinite what is the r2 plane but two

1349
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,119
copies of infinity you have r one that's

1350
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:28,000
infinite doesn't mean anything

1351
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,720
no

1352
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:30,800
uh here's the mistake

1353
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,910
in terms of google's the completeness

1354
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,520
theorem that actually that actually

1355
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,319
buttresses my point because

1356
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,160
google is talking about

1357
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:47,040
finite formal systems

1358
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,800
consciousness is not a finite formal

1359
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,160
system

1360
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,960
and therefore of course

1361
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,240
what google's a completeness theorem

1362
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,160
basically says is that if you have any

1363
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,000
kind of sufficiently complex finite

1364
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,079
formal system that can

1365
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,079
that is capable of self-reflection

1366
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,160
pointing back at itself it will always

1367
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,160
lead to a contradiction and it will

1368
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,559
always be incomplete

1369
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,319
if you don't take certain precautions to

1370
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,760
modify the system to prevent

1371
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,079
self-reflection from happening because

1372
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,400
truth is always a larger concept than

1373
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,319
provability which is part of the reason

1374
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,079
why provability and falsifiability is

1375
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,800
not a good way of going about developing

1376
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,280
your ultimate understanding of reality

1377
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,359
um because what you're really after is

1378
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,280
truth not proof and there are many

1379
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,559
things that are true that you cannot

1380
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,079
prove and will never be able to prove

1381
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,880
and that is in fact what google proved

1382
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,720
uh which is so brilliant about his proof

1383
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,000
is that he was able to use proof and

1384
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:40,160
turn it in on itself to to basically

1385
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,599
prove that

1386
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,839
proof is not the end of reality there's

1387
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,520
always more to reality than anything you

1388
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,839
can prove i'd more like take the penrose

1389
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:49,839
point of view and say that what girdle

1390
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,400
showed is that our mind is not a formal

1391
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,400
system rather than that proof lies

1392
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,800
outside of provability the space of all

1393
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,000
that is true

1394
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,319
lies outside a formal system provable

1395
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,480
notion of truth that's what i would say

1396
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,800
yeah okay yeah we agree

1397
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,880
so but uh but back to the more important

1398
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,839
point

1399
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,079
so so basically

1400
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,920
you're assuming the problem is that when

1401
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:14,160
i tell you infinite consciousness you

1402
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,520
have a picture in your mind of what

1403
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,200
infinite consciousness is and that

1404
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,079
picture you must realize is finite

1405
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,839
so all your ideas of infinite

1406
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,960
consciousness are not infinite

1407
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:24,000
consciousness they're finite

1408
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,200
consciousness

1409
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,880
but i'm talking about actual infinite

1410
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,720
consciousness now that what that is you

1411
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,800
actually don't have access to it at this

1412
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,079
point

1413
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:34,079
when you get access

1414
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:40,870
when you become infinitely conscious you

1415
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,599
realize that literally nothing can exist

1416
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,760
outside of consciousness because imagine

1417
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,920
that you can see the entire universe

1418
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,599
everything imagine everything that could

1419
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,280
ever possibly exist imagine you're

1420
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:53,680
conscious of it all at the same time now

1421
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,800
ask yourself

1422
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,480
could there be anything beyond that that

1423
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,640
i'm missing and if you say yes there

1424
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,400
could that means you weren't conscious

1425
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:01,839
of that thing

1426
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:03,200
and that you weren't really infinitely

1427
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,720
conscious

1428
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,400
and when you realize that then you

1429
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,160
realize aha

1430
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,760
consciousness is absolutely all that

1431
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,040
there is and there is nothing ever

1432
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,200
outside of consciousness

1433
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:15,200
and then you realize

1434
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,160
that

1435
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:18,079
there cannot be any kind of simulation

1436
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,960
there cannot be any kind of

1437
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,480
self-deception there cannot be any kind

1438
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,480
of wrongness about the fact that

1439
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,960
consciousness is infinite and absolute

1440
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,960
because it in fact is and in fact you

1441
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,240
are

1442
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,760
absolutely conscious

1443
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,760
my objection was not to

1444
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:33,040
consciousness imagining something

1445
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,559
outside itself and that still existing

1446
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,559
within consciousness it was more about

1447
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,960
the use of the word infinity look i'm a

1448
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,359
stickler i'm a persnickety structure for

1449
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,280
words and so usually when people mean

1450
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,280
infinity when someone says

1451
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,040
see i see this as a linguistic trick

1452
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,480
look it's infinite therefore there's

1453
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,680
nothing outside it that's not what

1454
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,680
infinite means if you're using the word

1455
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,359
infinite and i gave the example of the

1456
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,760
r2 plane and the reason why so here's

1457
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:58,000
here's the twist yeah

1458
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:59,200
i know exactly what you're saying but

1459
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,400
yeah go ahead

1460
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,400
for the audience there's an r2 plane you

1461
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,920
understand what you understand what r3

1462
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:04,880
plane is

1463
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,680
oh that's the real line is infinite but

1464
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,200
that doesn't mean there doesn't exist

1465
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,040
something outside that real line because

1466
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,520
you can have the r2 plane and it's a

1467
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,280
forgetful functor technically speaking

1468
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,359
to go from the r2 plane to the r plane

1469
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,599
you've forgotten some information so the

1470
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,559
r1 plane is the r1 is embedded in the r2

1471
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,079
plane and so you can have something

1472
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,920
that's infinite but still not all

1473
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,319
encompassing so maybe the word that is

1474
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,160
trying to the word that people would

1475
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,920
like to use instead of infinite is all

1476
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,599
encompassing so that's different than

1477
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:35,119
the word infinite

1478
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,480
so yeah there's definitely a problem

1479
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,480
here with language um

1480
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,559
and the the problem here is that people

1481
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,160
don't have a proper understanding of

1482
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:44,079
what infinite is because nobody

1483
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,520
virtually nobody you know none of your

1484
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,800
professors none of your teachers none of

1485
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,160
the books you've read none of the people

1486
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,599
who wrote them were actually infinitely

1487
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:51,359
conscious therefore they have no idea

1488
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,480
what they're talking about everything

1489
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:54,160
they're talking about is actually finite

1490
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,960
so

1491
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,559
let's uh for those of you who are math

1492
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,160
nerds and logic nerds

1493
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,400
hopefully you've heard of george cantor

1494
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,880
and k or uh gary cantor was the

1495
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,640
developer of set theory

1496
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,240
um what

1497
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:08,160
what has become modern set theory

1498
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,280
basically

1499
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,160
and um he was one of the first

1500
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,240
in the in the last century in the in the

1501
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,400
late 1800s he basically came up with the

1502
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,559
idea of multiple orders of infinity so

1503
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,000
you have the natural numbers or just

1504
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,480
like the integers that's the integers

1505
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,920
you know one two three four five six

1506
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,920
seven though that's one order of

1507
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:27,040
infinity

1508
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,400
but then you can take every integer and

1509
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,160
you can you can find an infinite number

1510
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,800
of decimal point

1511
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,119
numbers in between the numbers zero and

1512
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,040
one and so

1513
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,880
cantor basically proved that that

1514
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,119
infinity is actually larger than the

1515
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:43,440
infinity of all the integer numbers and

1516
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,240
so

1517
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,520
basically showed that you can have

1518
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,000
higher and higher orders of infinity

1519
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,520
uh and that's all right and what you're

1520
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,520
talking about with your r1 r2 planes and

1521
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,599
all that that's just

1522
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,599
infinity order one infinity order two

1523
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,119
three four five and that's all within

1524
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,880
the mathematical symbolic conceptual

1525
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:02,160
domain you have to understand that's a

1526
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:03,760
conceptual infinity

1527
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,720
then

1528
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,200
uh gary cantor if you studied his work

1529
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,960
ultimately you know what's the natural

1530
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,800
conclusion if you say well

1531
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,559
there's one size of infinity then

1532
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,079
there's a second size of infinity

1533
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,920
there's a third size fourth size even a

1534
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,520
bigger size and a bigger one than that

1535
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,520
what is the natural conclusion

1536
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,760
you say well surely there must be an

1537
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,319
absolute infinity in infinity of all the

1538
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,119
possible infinities so it's an endless

1539
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,119
list of all infinities which keeps

1540
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,319
growing forever and gay or cantor

1541
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,160
called that

1542
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:35,760
absolute infinity and he gave it the

1543
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,040
symbol omega and by the way by the way

1544
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,119
he was a deeply religious man

1545
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,280
and he if you read his biography and

1546
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,880
stories about his life

1547
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:46,480
um he called

1548
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,109
and and and a lot of people at the time

1549
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,920
his his colleagues mathematicians

1550
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,920
scientists logicians and so forth they

1551
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,319
thought he was crazy they did not accept

1552
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:02,079
the idea that there were even multiple

1553
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,520
orders of infinity he thought they were

1554
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,680
do he was doing pseudoscience

1555
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,839
until eventually you know finally he won

1556
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,400
over after his death i mean he died in

1557
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,119
ill repute he did not die happy that

1558
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,280
everyone accepted his his set theories

1559
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,720
and all this most of his colleagues

1560
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:19,040
didn't accept it he died and then it

1561
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,760
took

1562
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,319
some decades and centuries uh and then

1563
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,000
people came around to it and opened

1564
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:26,720
their minds but look even what gay or

1565
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,280
cantor called omega absolute infinity

1566
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,040
that was still all within the within the

1567
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,359
domain of concept concepts and numbers

1568
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:34,880
so that is not what i mean by absolute

1569
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,960
infinity that's that's peanuts compared

1570
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:38,480
to what i mean what i mean is the

1571
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,839
following when i say infinity so imagine

1572
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,760
all of mathematics

1573
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,520
imagine all of current mathematics and

1574
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:46,720
all the mathematics that will ever be

1575
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,520
done ever in a trillion years of human

1576
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,760
existence so imagine that the our

1577
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,599
universe goes to its heat death right

1578
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,119
like in

1579
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:57,040
i don't know 80 billion years there's a

1580
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,319
heat death everything dies in this

1581
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,480
universe all the math that humans do up

1582
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,079
until that point

1583
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,079
that will be an infinitesimally small

1584
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,720
chunk of absolute infinity but that's

1585
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,640
just mathematics now i want you to

1586
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,760
imagine

1587
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,920
all of physics that humans will do in

1588
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,640
that entire span of the universe

1589
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,640
that will just be a grain of sand within

1590
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,480
absolute infinity now i want you to

1591
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:20,720
imagine all the movies that every human

1592
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,839
can possibly invent so i want you to

1593
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,760
imagine the entire possibility space of

1594
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,960
every movie

1595
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,119
that means star wars

1596
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:31,920
the godfather jurassic park

1597
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,040
blah blah blah blah all the movies but

1598
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,960
i mean even more than that imagine for

1599
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,440
example every possible way that jurassic

1600
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,680
park could have been filmed but wasn't

1601
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,200
because jurassic park is just one way to

1602
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,799
film a movie right you could have had a

1603
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,640
million different jurassic parks with

1604
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,799
different actors different dinosaurs

1605
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,720
different settings different colors

1606
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,799
different framing different shots

1607
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,160
different words different dialogue

1608
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,760
different story different length like

1609
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,960
imagine

1610
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:59,040
a million different jurassic parks that

1611
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,480
are just different from each other by

1612
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,720
one second like each movie is just one

1613
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,559
second longer one second longer one

1614
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:06,960
second a million of those i understand

1615
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,000
right so so if you look at it just the

1616
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,240
domain of what jurassic park is can you

1617
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:14,160
see how that itself is its own sub

1618
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:15,359
infinity

1619
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,559
because you can literally have an

1620
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,319
infinite number of different jurassic

1621
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,400
parks

1622
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,559
that's just jurassic park so that is a

1623
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:25,200
sub and that's sub infinity within the

1624
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:26,160
infinite

1625
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,200
of the entire um film space right so

1626
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,280
imagine every possible film that could

1627
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,760
ever be made that could be displayed on

1628
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,280
us on a screen

1629
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,040
i mean we're talking about

1630
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,760
crazy numbers of complexity here right

1631
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:42,240
that's the infinity of film now imagine

1632
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:45,440
the infinity of music every sub-genre of

1633
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,319
music jazz is infinity of jazz

1634
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,640
rock is infinity of rock

1635
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,880
rap is an infinity of rap hip-hop is

1636
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:55,040
infinity of hip-hop now imagine every

1637
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,799
possible genre of music that could ever

1638
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,559
be imagined

1639
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,160
so that would be the infinity of all

1640
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,160
possible genres of music and so

1641
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,240
basically now this is going it's going

1642
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,000
larger and larger and larger and now

1643
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,319
imagine the possibility of every single

1644
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,720
possibility that is

1645
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:12,640
ever possible to exist

1646
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,920
that is absolute infinity

1647
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,319
okay and now ask yourself the question

1648
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:20,720
what exists outside of that

1649
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:25,040
right and the answer will be nothing why

1650
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,870
what what would there be outside of

1651
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:32,559
everything

1652
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:37,040
now were examples of imagination

1653
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:38,559
for example like imagine so-and-so

1654
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,440
imagine stone so now let me play i'm

1655
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:43,280
putting on the hat of someone who's a

1656
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,040
beyond a spiritual guru let's say

1657
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,960
i can't even i don't have a word for it

1658
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,119
an alien let's say the tellurians which

1659
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,960
are the regular people the highlights

1660
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,960
and then we have the spiritual gurus and

1661
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,880
then i'm let's i'm putting on the hat of

1662
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,000
a mountaineer i don't know why i'm

1663
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,720
calling it a mountaineer whatever

1664
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,079
i'm thinking of a mountain that has a

1665
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,440
hat okay

1666
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:04,799
let's imagine that

1667
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,760
this

1668
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,599
person

1669
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,200
says

1670
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,400
there exists something outside what you

1671
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:14,640
could perceive what you can imagine

1672
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,950
wrong

1673
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,200
right now your proofs have proven me

1674
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,799
wrong lie within the realm of

1675
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,079
consciousness

1676
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,319
no no but but no you you

1677
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,079
that's what girl told you is that you

1678
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:30,880
can't prove that you can't prove

1679
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,640
truth truth literally cannot be proven

1680
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,799
because truth is larger than proof so

1681
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,319
when you come up with that objection

1682
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:40,400
that oh prove to me for example that god

1683
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,440
exists

1684
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:43,680
you're being stupid excuse me but you're

1685
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,040
being stupid because you haven't grasped

1686
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:49,200
the profound metaphysical and epistemic

1687
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,160
implications of google's the

1688
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,799
completeness theorem you can't do that

1689
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,400
you can't even do that within

1690
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,040
mathematics let alone within the larger

1691
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:58,720
system

1692
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,760
okay

1693
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:01,520
sorry leo i don't mean to become bad of

1694
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,880
at all no you're good okay go and

1695
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:06,799
don't hold back sure i'm not trying to

1696
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,440
say that god doesn't exist i'm saying

1697
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,200
that the arguments that you've given

1698
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,720
about consciousness being infinite and

1699
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,799
therefore all that there is

1700
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,640
i'm saying there exists something

1701
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,880
outside consciousness prove that

1702
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,400
incorrect so i'm saying there's

1703
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,920
something epi consciousness that

1704
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,599
consciousness is not aware of because

1705
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,119
consciousness can only be aware of

1706
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,760
awareness or experience i'm saying no

1707
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,520
well no i'm like i'm sorry i'm putting

1708
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,119
on my mountain hat so i'm saying as the

1709
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,359
mountain hat as the mountain guru

1710
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,440
prove that wrong here's the problem i'll

1711
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:36,960
tell you i'll tell you what the problem

1712
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:37,760
is

1713
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:41,200
consciousness and the way people use the

1714
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,480
word consciousness they don't really

1715
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:44,319
know what they're talking about when you

1716
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:45,760
say consciousness you're assuming a

1717
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,720
finite thing for example your

1718
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,720
your your notion of consciousness comes

1719
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,559
with metaphysical and epistemic

1720
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:54,880
assumptions and baggage it's extremely

1721
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,520
loaded so for example you

1722
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,119
assume that consciousness is something

1723
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:01,920
that arises from living beings

1724
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,000
at least when i say you i just mean in

1725
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,720
general people us as a culture we assume

1726
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,640
that we assume that animals have

1727
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:10,319
consciousness maybe plants have

1728
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:11,520
conscious although some people would

1729
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,359
even deny that but then like we say like

1730
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,359
a rock doesn't have consciousness and so

1731
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,119
therefore when you have this sort of

1732
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,960
picture in your mind then it seems like

1733
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:20,960
well yeah of course you can be conscious

1734
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,200
of everything but then you know a rock

1735
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:24,799
is conscious of nothing and iraq still

1736
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:26,839
exists outside your

1737
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,200
consciousness but the problem is is that

1738
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,720
that's an assumption you're bringing

1739
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,559
that metaphysical baggage in with your

1740
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,319
idea of consciousness that is not what

1741
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,160
consciousness is consciousness is not

1742
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,160
something that arises from neurons it is

1743
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,599
not something that comes from the brain

1744
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:41,280
it is not something that living beings

1745
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,839
have it is

1746
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,839
it is absolutely transcendental which

1747
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,520
means that

1748
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:49,520
consciousness is not limited by any

1749
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,880
physical

1750
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,720
constraint or any logical constraint of

1751
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,720
any kind and literally anything that

1752
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,640
exists must exist within consciousness

1753
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,480
as a form within consciousness so the

1754
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,000
problem is that you're not conscious

1755
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,640
enough to realize that and so

1756
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,200
really what our what our conversation

1757
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:07,200
yeah where a conversation breaks down

1758
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,559
it's sort of like this

1759
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:11,040
imagine that you have a donkey

1760
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,240
and then

1761
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:14,240
we come to the donkey and we bring him a

1762
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:15,119
mirror

1763
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,799
try to get the donkey to we like we

1764
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,960
point the donkey's face at the mirror

1765
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,599
and we say this look this is you

1766
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:25,040
do you see that this is you in the

1767
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,960
mirror and and then like we hit the

1768
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,319
donkey and we keep hitting the donkey

1769
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,839
donkey's looking at the mirror but he

1770
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,520
doesn't understand what we want because

1771
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,440
he doesn't literally have the enough

1772
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,599
consciousness to recognize what we're

1773
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:37,119
trying to show him to be able to

1774
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:38,799
recognize his own reflection in the

1775
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,079
mirror right and so

1776
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,839
trying to explain consciousness to

1777
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:45,200
somebody who's in a low state of

1778
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,720
consciousness not an infinite state of

1779
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:48,319
consciousness is literally impossible in

1780
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:50,079
the same way as trying to get a donkey

1781
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,680
to recognize himself in the mirror the

1782
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,599
donkey cannot recognize himself in the

1783
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,240
mirror because he's locked into a state

1784
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,400
of consciousness that is not high enough

1785
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:00,319
to allow for that degree of

1786
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,680
self-awareness

1787
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,680
so likewise right now you are locked

1788
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:05,280
into a state of consciousness that is

1789
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:07,760
not high enough to allow you to have

1790
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,160
enough consciousness of what i'm saying

1791
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:12,079
which is that literally

1792
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:13,440
nothing can exist outside of

1793
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:15,680
consciousness you are imagining things

1794
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,599
that you think could exist outside of

1795
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,000
consciousness as a possibility

1796
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,160
and then you're using that to be

1797
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:24,000
skeptical

1798
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,440
but you're not conscious of the fact

1799
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,280
that that is within the realm of

1800
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:29,520
consciousness see all skepticism is a

1801
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:35,829
are you getting that yeah yeah yeah i'm

1802
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,280
i hope that you don't think i'm being

1803
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,760
unnecessarily captious but when i say

1804
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,359
that look let's take this analogy the

1805
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,200
donkey can't see a level above it and

1806
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,119
because of that you can't explain some

1807
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:47,440
it has no way of understanding or

1808
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:49,280
comprehending that

1809
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,039
there's all-encompassing

1810
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,960
consciousness well in that same way can

1811
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,280
i not make an analogy and say i'm not

1812
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,520
claiming to be a god enlightened at all

1813
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,920
or above gun light obviously imagine i

1814
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:01,520
put on my plato hat i should have said

1815
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:02,799
plato instead of mountain for some

1816
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,160
reason because platonic sounds

1817
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,839
interesting so imagine i put on my

1818
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:07,520
platonic hat and i say there exists

1819
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,559
something even above consciousness

1820
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,440
leo that right you within your

1821
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,960
consciousness you're only looking at

1822
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,559
your own mirror in the same way that you

1823
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:18,640
gave me an argument about the donkey i'm

1824
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,000
saying the same is happening to you

1825
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:21,920
there's something epi conscious you

1826
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,079
cannot be aware of it right yeah you're

1827
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:25,760
you're you're saying that but i'm saying

1828
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,319
that to you

1829
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,000
you see you see how this game is played

1830
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,960
so it really is a game of trickery so

1831
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,640
there can be an infinite number of

1832
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:36,160
arguments that we can build back and

1833
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,599
forth to try to

1834
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:39,200
jump over each other and that's exactly

1835
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:40,480
what happens within the conceptual

1836
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:42,400
domain because we're in the conceptual

1837
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:44,240
domain so yeah you can make an argument

1838
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,839
that i'm self-deceived and then i can

1839
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,280
make the counter argument that no you're

1840
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,039
self-deceived you're self-deceived that

1841
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:51,039
i'm self-deceived and then you could say

1842
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,880
ah but i'm gonna go meta and i'm gonna

1843
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:54,799
say that

1844
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,799
leo is self-deceived that i'm

1845
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,240
self-deceiving myself about leo's

1846
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:59,839
self-deception and so we can we can go

1847
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:01,520
up for infinity that's what infinity

1848
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,920
means we can keep going right okay so

1849
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:06,000
who is right in this circumstance

1850
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,839
platonic the guy with the play-doh hat

1851
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,440
or the girl with the play-doh hat or the

1852
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:11,680
or the god-realized person of the god

1853
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,680
consciousness god realized person

1854
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,359
well you have to you have to understand

1855
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,359
what god realized is god realizes not

1856
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,960
sort of a static state that you reach

1857
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:20,160
and that you're there

1858
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,720
um god realizes infinitely meta so what

1859
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:24,000
god realized means is that you're

1860
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,760
conscious of the fact that this is an

1861
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:27,839
infinite regress of self-deception that

1862
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:29,359
we can keep going down forever until

1863
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:31,280
we're both dead right that's what god

1864
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,839
realized means so it's a meta function

1865
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:35,520
so god can't be locked into a single

1866
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,799
form so one of the problems here is that

1867
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,079
you're trying to lock god into a form

1868
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,400
like well god is what leo says it is

1869
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:42,880
it's like no god is that plus more

1870
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:44,559
god is is

1871
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:46,319
always infinitely meta it's infinite

1872
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,079
means it's endless that means you can't

1873
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,680
ever encapsulate it into any kind of

1874
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:51,440
model so everything that leo is saying

1875
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,599
is just a finite portion of what god is

1876
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,200
any description of god that i give you

1877
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:57,200
is always going to be a partial

1878
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,839
aspect of god i guess what i'm saying is

1879
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,359
it's actually extreme it's more simple

1880
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:03,280
than that it's more like

1881
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:04,720
someone is claiming something that's

1882
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:07,359
true but unfalsifiably so and you're

1883
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:09,440
also you're saying i agree kurt i agree

1884
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:11,680
with that and then i'm saying

1885
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:14,480
right within this realm of us arguing

1886
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,160
over here over zoom over words even you

1887
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:20,960
can't convince anyone you've said this

1888
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:23,359
too which is like i'm agreeing with that

1889
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:24,720
you can't convince anyone with

1890
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:26,799
justification but in some sense we're

1891
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:29,039
trying to and so in any way that you're

1892
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:30,880
convincing me i can put up a counter

1893
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:32,720
argument that you can't prove and then

1894
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:34,079
you could say well i can't prove but you

1895
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,760
can't prove slightly above so it's like

1896
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,839
any time you give me a number a i can

1897
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,440
give you a plus one and then you could

1898
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,880
do the same

1899
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,319
right

1900
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,400
just that alone is evidence of infinity

1901
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:45,520
because you can see that it goes on

1902
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:47,039
forever that's just a minor infinity

1903
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:51,039
within absolute infinity but uh look um

1904
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,880
do you agree that one equals one is that

1905
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:54,160
true

1906
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,359
yeah well that equals it by definition

1907
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,599
by definition of what equals means and

1908
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:01,760
by definition of what one means however

1909
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,079
however the reason like look i'm so i'm

1910
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:06,799
such a a carp but but prove it prove to

1911
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:13,029
how would you do it

1912
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,520
is it falsifiable falsify to me that one

1913
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:17,680
equals one the way that i can falsify

1914
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:18,559
that

1915
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,640
claim to be true

1916
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:24,720
okay so let's say you take the there uh

1917
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:26,079
there's another claim that you claim to

1918
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,480
be it could be any claim so let's say

1919
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,640
that there exists a paper here

1920
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,400
okay actually let's make it a more

1921
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,880
numerical claim so you claim that 329

1922
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,960
doesn't equal 300. let's say you claim

1923
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,200
that that's a claim so then i can prove

1924
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:41,200
to you that one equals one in the sense

1925
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:44,000
that if one were not to equal one i can

1926
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:45,920
prove to you what you claimed was not

1927
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,720
true

1928
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,480
so a proof by contradiction are you

1929
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,400
saying like a reductio ad absurdum the

1930
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:52,319
reductio ad absurdums they have a

1931
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:54,400
phyllis they have a connotation that's

1932
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,440
more

1933
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,280
they i don't like the word

1934
01:07:01,990 --> 01:06:59,520
i'd absurdum because it implies that you

1935
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:02,000
already have an idea as to what's absurd

1936
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,520
of course yeah absurd the notion of

1937
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:05,280
absurd is completely relative

1938
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:07,920
the notion of absurd is absurd yeah yeah

1939
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:10,000
yeah it's more about if you were to

1940
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:12,000
write there's so much loaded in what

1941
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,920
i've just said which is classical logic

1942
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,359
so you have to have the law of excluded

1943
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:17,119
middle you have to accept that you can

1944
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:19,039
have proofs by contradiction which is

1945
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:20,559
actually contested in

1946
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:22,400
in mathematics heavily so what i'm

1947
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:24,000
saying is so many years to prove to me

1948
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:28,630
contradictory prove to me that there's

1949
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:30,559
no not a single contradiction within

1950
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:35,349
i mean see there's there are so many

1951
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:36,960
things that uh that are absolutely

1952
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:39,920
impossible to prove or to falsify

1953
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:40,960
um

1954
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,520
uh and and you know the most difficult

1955
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:44,880
things to falsify are the ones that are

1956
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,119
true

1957
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:48,880
you see it's not an accident that truth

1958
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:50,720
can't be falsified so

1959
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,079
while we're on the topic of

1960
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,720
consciousness it seems like social media

1961
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:57,200
is antithetical clearly to the common

1962
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,960
refrains of what it means to live a

1963
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,640
meaningful life that is to not be

1964
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:02,720
distracted to pay attention especially

1965
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:05,200
to the present moment to love to not

1966
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,160
judge

1967
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,400
to show clemency social media as it

1968
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:10,720
stands breeds disconnection unhealthy

1969
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,359
competition feelings of merciless guilt

1970
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:15,760
hours of time wasted if not days i don't

1971
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,440
know how to transform it i don't know

1972
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:19,359
how to revolutionize it but recently i

1973
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,640
met with the founder of project

1974
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,319
transcend and he's building in that

1975
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,080
direction it focuses on helping you

1976
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:26,560
capture and articulate aspects of who

1977
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:28,159
you are that you would like to pass on

1978
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,319
to your children to your unborn children

1979
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:32,239
to your unborn grandchildren such as

1980
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:33,920
what you believe what you'd like to

1981
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:35,920
share such that they can experience it

1982
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:37,759
in the same way that i don't know what

1983
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,120
my parents were like when they were

1984
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:41,279
around my age all i have are photographs

1985
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:42,480
i don't know what their values were i

1986
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:43,600
don't know how they think i don't know

1987
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,199
how what their body language was like

1988
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:46,880
what their intonation was like i know

1989
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,880
what their stories are now about then

1990
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:51,120
but that's decidedly not the same sign

1991
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,400
up for early access at

1992
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,239
projecttranscend.com

1993
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,480
to reserve your spot space is extremely

1994
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,319
limited it may end up doing for social

1995
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,719
media what openai did for language

1996
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,480
processing at least it's certainly a

1997
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,640
step in the right direction for more on

1998
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,480
them keep watching till the very end and

1999
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,759
i'm appending an interview with the

2000
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,239
founder matthew phillips of transcend

2001
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:12,080
see the beauty with truth is that it's

2002
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,920
completely unshakable once you are

2003
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,440
conscious of the truth nothing will

2004
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,799
shake you now you could say well that's

2005
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:19,359
just you're deluded

2006
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:22,000
and that's right you can be deluded so

2007
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:24,319
don't get me wrong the idea and the

2008
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,520
problem you have here is basically

2009
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,080
you're saying to me leo self-deception

2010
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:30,239
is a really big

2011
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:33,279
problem within epistemology

2012
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:35,600
how do we know anything at all uh

2013
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,679
shouldn't we be more humble you know

2014
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,520
you're here saying that god is this and

2015
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,880
you've reached the end of infinity on

2016
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:42,319
all that like but shouldn't you be more

2017
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,679
humble i mean what if you're what if

2018
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:45,440
you're in a simulation what if you're

2019
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,719
deceiving yourself what if you're

2020
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:48,239
fooling yourself what if you're just

2021
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,440
hallucinating whatever right so um

2022
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:53,520
i totally get you

2023
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,040
i am the biggest proponent of

2024
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,920
studying the mechanics of self-deception

2025
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:02,000
so when you are saying that maybe leo

2026
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:02,800
all the stuff you're saying is

2027
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,120
self-deception my counter to that is to

2028
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,280
say that

2029
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:09,280
from your point of view it can certainly

2030
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:10,880
seem that way and you should take that

2031
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,679
possibility seriously so

2032
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:16,000
your audience members they don't know me

2033
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:17,360
they have not experienced what i've

2034
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,800
experienced they don't know what i've

2035
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,640
become conscious of so from your point

2036
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,040
of view i could be self-deceived i could

2037
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:25,280
be a grifter i could be a cult leader i

2038
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,800
could just be

2039
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,239
mentally ill

2040
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,560
or i could even think that i'm saving

2041
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,719
the world but just be fooling myself

2042
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:34,320
from your point of view that all could

2043
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,000
be true

2044
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,920
which is why you need to investigate for

2045
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,520
yourself what is true and ultimately get

2046
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,360
to reach your own conclusion that's the

2047
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:43,520
difficulty about absolute truth is that

2048
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:46,080
you can't give it to anybody it has to

2049
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,199
be reached by you which can take 10 20

2050
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,920
years of deep investigation and

2051
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,280
and the most important aspect of that

2052
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:55,199
investigation is studying self-deception

2053
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:56,320
but you have to be very careful with

2054
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,679
self-deception because within

2055
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,280
self-deception there are deeper

2056
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:01,440
self-deceptions and one of the

2057
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,320
chief

2058
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,880
self-deceptions that tricks people up is

2059
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:07,040
the self-deception of skepticism i don't

2060
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,400
know why it also has to be

2061
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,040
self-deception why can't this simply be

2062
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,199
nashians and i prefer nations to

2063
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,360
ignorance because ignorant nations what

2064
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,960
do you mean what do you mean by that so

2065
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:19,040
ignorance is like you

2066
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,719
almost like you willfully choose not to

2067
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,560
know but nesting simply means you just

2068
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,920
don't know it's like almost like

2069
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:26,000
obliviousness but obliviousness has a

2070
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,520
connotation too

2071
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,199
so i would say so you're saying it's

2072
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:31,679
ignorance or what or or nations

2073
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,120
no i'm saying it's nations because

2074
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,800
nations is more like you just simply

2075
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:36,560
don't know

2076
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:37,760
no

2077
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:47,040
you it's the problem is that what you

2078
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,159
know is wrong

2079
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,920
so see

2080
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,120
we let's let's talk about the

2081
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:53,440
epistemology here because we kind of

2082
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,880
jumped right into the deep end of the

2083
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,880
pool about infinity and all this and we

2084
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,800
basically jumped into metaphysics but

2085
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:00,320
before you can do metaphysics first you

2086
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:02,080
have to do epistemology because if you

2087
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,920
get your epistemology wrong none of your

2088
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:05,440
metaphysics is going to be right and

2089
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,920
epistemology is just the how do you know

2090
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,080
anything at all question

2091
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,239
like literally how do you know anything

2092
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:13,760
and so if you're not taking that

2093
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,520
question seriously you cannot develop a

2094
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,360
toe of any kind and you cannot have a

2095
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:19,679
metaphysics of any kind because how

2096
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:22,080
would you know your metaphysics is true

2097
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,280
right yeah

2098
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,840
are there hierarchies and nature true

2099
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,440
like i know there seems to be

2100
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,960
hierarchies at our level but then at

2101
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:30,400
this god-realized level let's say the

2102
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:35,990
what what do you mean by hierarchies

2103
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,560
well give an example good versus bad up

2104
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,560
versus down

2105
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:42,960
okay that gets us into metaphysics but i

2106
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:47,030
so

2107
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:52,400
as imaginations um

2108
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,120
but at the at the absolute level what

2109
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:56,560
happens is that

2110
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,840
consciousness

2111
01:13:03,030 --> 01:12:59,840
realizes its own oneness so deeply that

2112
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:03,040
it realizes that all distinctions are

2113
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,640
uh imaginary and all those distinctions

2114
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,480
dissolve and then all you're left with

2115
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,480
is just a pure unity it's a pure

2116
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,120
formless unity of pure consciousness

2117
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,600
in which every distinction is basically

2118
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:18,480
blended together into uh into

2119
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,760
a unity

2120
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:21,600
uh and so

2121
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,440
by the way you know for those of you who

2122
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,120
are trying to figure out your toe and

2123
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,120
all that

2124
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:28,960
uh one question you should be asking is

2125
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:31,199
what is the substance of reality

2126
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,719
what is the substance of what everything

2127
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,120
is made out of

2128
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:37,440
is it energy is it quarks is it atoms is

2129
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,239
it molecules is it

2130
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:41,520
information

2131
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,950
whatever else you know

2132
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,400
um

2133
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:50,159
maybe it's a

2134
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,030
strings yeah no maybe numbers a lot of

2135
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:59,440
mathematicians believe it's all formulas

2136
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,640
and numbers at the bottom right or maybe

2137
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,320
you believe it's a computer or maybe you

2138
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:03,760
believe it's a

2139
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:05,120
something like that

2140
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,159
um

2141
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,920
so see it can't be any of those that's

2142
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:09,600
what you have to realize so this is this

2143
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:10,880
is something i can help you guys with

2144
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,480
because this will solve this will save

2145
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:14,159
you 10 20 years of your life right here

2146
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:16,159
if you realize this one point

2147
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,760
is that the actual substance of reality

2148
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:21,199
you can become directly conscious of

2149
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:27,110
and what it is is it's nothing

2150
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,640
the substance of reality is literally

2151
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:30,320
nothing and the reason it has to be that

2152
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,120
way is because everything you call a

2153
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:35,040
substance is actually a distinction

2154
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,000
within

2155
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:38,159
consciousness so for example when you

2156
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:39,679
say

2157
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:43,040
reality is mad of matter you're you're

2158
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,800
creating a distinction between matter

2159
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:46,320
and non-matter

2160
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,679
and you're creating both of these and

2161
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:49,120
you're saying reality is this thing but

2162
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,760
not that thing

2163
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:53,760
conscious is doing that when you say

2164
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:55,040
reality is

2165
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:56,320
information you say well it's

2166
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,600
information but then it's not the

2167
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,440
opposite of information whatever that is

2168
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,040
in your mind and so you make that

2169
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:03,679
distinction or you say it's strings well

2170
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,719
if it's strings then it's also not

2171
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:08,320
not strings it's not the opposite of

2172
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:10,000
strings and so you're always thinking in

2173
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:10,960
these opposites and this is the

2174
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:12,400
fundamental problem with science and

2175
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,320
with academia is that it's always

2176
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,560
thinking in these in these opposites and

2177
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,800
these do i call these dualities

2178
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,880
literally every single scientific notion

2179
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,239
is a duality

2180
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,400
and because of this you're never able to

2181
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,880
access the actual substance of anything

2182
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,480
because all you have are distinctions

2183
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:29,760
and you're not realizing that what

2184
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,640
reality is is it's not one particular

2185
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,320
distinction that grounds all of their

2186
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:36,480
distinctions but rather what reality is

2187
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:39,280
is nothing other than the sum infinite

2188
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:41,920
total of all possible distinctions

2189
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,600
reality is not made up of atoms your

2190
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:46,000
body's not made of atoms strings energy

2191
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,120
quarks none of that

2192
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:51,520
reality is made out of distinctions

2193
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,400
which is

2194
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,719
in other words to say differences

2195
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,640
literally literally

2196
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,960
the literally the difference between any

2197
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:00,239
two things

2198
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,600
is what makes that thing a thing yeah i

2199
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:05,360
agree

2200
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,560
so

2201
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:08,159
um

2202
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:09,840
so why does that mean that the substance

2203
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,120
of reality is no thing nothing

2204
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:15,679
by sorry by the way when you say nothing

2205
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,000
do you literally mean no thing or do you

2206
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,800
mean something else well it literally

2207
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:22,800
can't be spoken so what does match can't

2208
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:25,360
be used can't be spoken right because

2209
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:27,040
because eva you see even nothing is a

2210
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:29,440
distinction because nothing is relative

2211
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:31,520
to something that's the distinction and

2212
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,880
that is not what i mean when i say

2213
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,880
nothing when i say nothing i'm talking

2214
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,159
about the thing that actually can't be

2215
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:38,320
spoken

2216
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,400
so let me explain your question of um

2217
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:44,159
why does it mean that that the substance

2218
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,840
has to be nothing the reason the

2219
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,760
substance has to be nothing

2220
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:48,960
is because

2221
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:56,870
ask yourself what is the distinct what

2222
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:03,030
other distinctions

2223
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,000
no

2224
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:06,480
because even the idea of a distinction

2225
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,760
is already

2226
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,600
involved in this problem it creates a

2227
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:11,120
circularity problem a self-reference

2228
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:13,920
problem and a paradox because

2229
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:15,360
a distinction

2230
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:18,320
because distinction itself is a

2231
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,239
distinction let me say where i agree and

2232
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:22,480
then where i find it muddling

2233
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,560
when you say that this can't be spoken

2234
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:26,320
about i'm in such agreement with you

2235
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,679
that if what you're saying is to be

2236
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,480
believed and spira as well then rupert

2237
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:32,480
spire that is then

2238
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:34,960
all of what we're doing right here is so

2239
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:37,679
fruitless because look one of the ways

2240
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,159
we say the individual doesn't exist

2241
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:42,159
that you the person who's listening is

2242
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,239
because well let's take the materialist

2243
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:46,159
point of view and that

2244
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,679
your collection of atoms while those

2245
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,840
atoms are blurred okay so where do you

2246
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:51,840
begin in the universe

2247
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:52,960
where does the universe end and you

2248
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:55,280
begin and then you say well okay well i

2249
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:57,360
can't put a distinction and then because

2250
01:18:01,750 --> 01:17:59,679
you can't place a border

2251
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,760
then you can say that essentially that

2252
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:03,360
the that the words themselves are

2253
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,120
meaningless and i can't convince you

2254
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:09,120
all all words are relative so one of the

2255
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,960
problems here is that we're entangled in

2256
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:12,960
language and language is a is an

2257
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:15,840
absolutely relative and distinct uh and

2258
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:17,600
and dualistic rather not to say but

2259
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,360
dualistic um scheme so every word in the

2260
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,080
english language including every

2261
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,400
word in the

2262
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,719
english language

2263
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:31,120
is a distinction

2264
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:32,640
see see you can't get around this

2265
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:34,239
problem with language because language

2266
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:36,239
itself is constructed from distinctions

2267
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:37,280
everything is constructed from

2268
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,440
distinctions so we can't use language to

2269
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:41,040
understand what a distinction is you

2270
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,880
have to go underneath language the

2271
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:45,360
problem is so profound you guys when

2272
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:47,360
you're trying to figure out your toe

2273
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:48,719
what you don't understand is that the

2274
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:50,800
problem is so profound it's way

2275
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,800
more profound than you realize

2276
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,480
because even the language you're using

2277
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,760
and the thoughts you're thinking to

2278
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:57,840
construct your toe are all distinctions

2279
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,600
you're creating so literally you're

2280
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:01,760
imagining your toe into existence

2281
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:03,120
imagination is nothing other than the

2282
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:05,360
imagination of distinctions that's what

2283
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,719
imagination is that's the technical

2284
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:08,480
definition of imagination

2285
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:10,640
so that means that for example

2286
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,239
the difference between a chicken and a

2287
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,480
coffee table

2288
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:16,480
that difference is something you're

2289
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:20,159
imagining that's what i'm saying

2290
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:22,320
i'm not just saying this in the mind i'm

2291
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,159
saying that if you take a physical

2292
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:26,080
chicken and you take a physical coffee

2293
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:27,679
table and you put them next to each

2294
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:29,920
other see you as a human have been

2295
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:32,239
trained to believe that these are two

2296
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,400
separate and distinct

2297
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:37,199
things that exist independent of your

2298
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,669
your mind is constructing the physical

2299
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:45,520
difference between a table and a chicken

2300
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:46,800
and that's why they look different to

2301
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:47,840
you

2302
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:49,920
and if the chicken and the table were

2303
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:52,000
not different they would literally be

2304
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:53,120
one thing

2305
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:55,440
and that thing would be nothing

2306
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,199
it would and and that nothing would be

2307
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:59,520
infinity because infinity is nothing

2308
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:00,960
because the distinction between

2309
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,199
something or rather everything and

2310
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:05,600
nothing is itself going to collapse into

2311
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:08,880
a unity which is prior to our word

2312
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:10,960
nothing and something

2313
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,199
i agree that if your worldview is to be

2314
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:15,040
taken seriously inspire whether or not

2315
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,400
you want to call it a worldview or a

2316
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,480
valtton song or whatever it may be

2317
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:20,159
because even to give it a name implies

2318
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:22,159
that if there's a delineation which

2319
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,440
implies there's something it's not and

2320
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:25,760
so on and so on we have objections there

2321
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,440
but let's say you're to be taken

2322
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:29,840
extremely seriously what if the heck is

2323
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:33,199
the point of speaking at all

2324
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,880
like what is the point of argumentation

2325
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:37,199
it gets to nowhere well well first of

2326
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:38,480
all speaking

2327
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:39,600
speaking

2328
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:46,000
like i want to eat chicken that's why

2329
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,280
you speak

2330
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:49,120
you want to eat a chicken you know you

2331
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,560
want to buy a coffee table that's why

2332
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,080
you speak and in that sense it's

2333
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,320
practical and it's useful just like you

2334
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:56,239
know classical newtonian mechanics

2335
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:58,000
what's the point of it if it's false i

2336
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:00,080
mean we know it's false we know there's

2337
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:02,000
no such thing as absolute velocities and

2338
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:03,920
absolute distances

2339
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:06,480
it's all relative right these are gross

2340
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,920
over these are gross oversimplifications

2341
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:12,000
though i would have objection there

2342
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,080
would you yeah object to the notion that

2343
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:16,560
there exist

2344
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:23,189
if you don't mind saying oh yeah no i

2345
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:24,719
don't mind i'm five eight five nine or

2346
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:25,520
so

2347
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:30,320
okay

2348
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:31,600
so you believe

2349
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:35,600
objectively true no no what i mean is i

2350
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,120
imagine that the way that you would go

2351
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:38,880
about dispelling the notion of length

2352
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,440
would be using special relativity

2353
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,199
however there's a contradiction between

2354
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:45,199
special relativity and the plank length

2355
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:46,639
because look if you have a shortest

2356
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:48,719
possible length in which we know that

2357
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,560
physics breaks down

2358
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,880
then what are you going to do when you

2359
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:54,320
accelerate at a velocity higher than

2360
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,840
that can you have smaller than the plank

2361
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,360
length so they're so they're that's

2362
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,120
false by the way there is no there is no

2363
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:01,199
bottom to reality there's no mod there's

2364
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,639
no minimum length

2365
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,560
the reason we can talk about that

2366
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:06,159
but the reason i'm objecting is only

2367
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:07,600
because

2368
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,830
most people would say well relativity

2369
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:18,239
and einstein and so but actually if you

2370
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,639
examine that you'll see that special

2371
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:22,560
relativity contradicts

2372
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,600
well not contradicts but it's unclear

2373
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,000
no okay but forget forget relativity uh

2374
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:30,320
in the gi einstein sense but just let's

2375
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:31,440
let's really think about this

2376
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,719
existentially

2377
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,239
do you understand that there is no such

2378
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:35,679
thing as length

2379
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,120
unless you have

2380
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,800
two objects

2381
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,040
which are relative to each other

2382
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,040
without which length does not exist as a

2383
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:45,199
thing i don't know i don't know i don't

2384
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:46,639
know about that

2385
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:48,159
look what you're saying is look the word

2386
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:50,320
length has units attached like you are

2387
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:51,679
five meters

2388
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:54,560
well what is a meter a meter is uh

2389
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,800
somewhere in france and then we go with

2390
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,560
that and we take that and we place it

2391
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,719
five times next to something okay so you

2392
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,480
have this conformal scaling and you

2393
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:04,159
can't have well actually

2394
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,000
length length is more fundamental than

2395
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,159
units so i'm just talking about the the

2396
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:10,080
abstract notion of length regardless of

2397
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,880
units so even to have a notion of what

2398
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,320
length is you have to understand that

2399
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,840
this is a relative notion you need to

2400
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:17,360
have a start point and an end point to

2401
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:18,719
have length

2402
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:22,080
right you agree yeah

2403
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:23,679
okay so

2404
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:27,750
so length depends on how you choose your

2405
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,719
start points and end points

2406
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:32,000
yep

2407
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:33,440
without which there is no such thing as

2408
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,120
length yep

2409
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:37,280
so length is a distinction that we

2410
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:39,280
imagine or create

2411
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:40,639
wow

2412
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,000
and then and then

2413
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:44,719
but but then but in einstein's model

2414
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:46,480
your length differs depending on how

2415
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:49,040
fast you're moving right right right

2416
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,199
right i mean like right right right

2417
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:53,440
right so length so your height is

2418
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:55,360
literally not five eight your height is

2419
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:57,920
five eight assuming relative to

2420
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,760
us me and you being in the same

2421
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:01,280
reference frame of moving at the same

2422
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,520
velocity relative to each other

2423
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,360
there's something so there is and there

2424
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:07,760
are invariants not all that exists is

2425
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:09,760
relative in einstein's point of view

2426
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:11,440
there are invariants there's rest mass

2427
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,639
there's even

2428
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:14,159
it's not quite true to say rest length

2429
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,120
but you can come up with something

2430
01:24:18,210 --> 01:24:17,360
called einstein wasn't einstein wasn't

2431
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:18,220
infinitely conscious

2432
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:20,080
[Laughter]

2433
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,159
so take einstein general relativity and

2434
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,560
now expand it out to make into what i

2435
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:26,159
would call absolute relativity which

2436
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:27,360
means that everything is absolutely

2437
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,239
relative so everything is relative to

2438
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:31,760
every other thing

2439
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:35,280
without which you have nothing

2440
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,800
so what i'm talking about look i'm

2441
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,480
actually talking about a profound notion

2442
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,239
here called ontological relativity this

2443
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,800
is actually a notion from willard quine

2444
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:44,560
a famous philosopher from analytic

2445
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,400
philosophy says this is not some wubu

2446
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:48,480
guy he has a paper called two dogmas of

2447
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:50,560
empiricism really good paper i recommend

2448
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,080
you guys read it if you're serious about

2449
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:54,080
toes especially the last two pages of

2450
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,840
that paper where he talks about

2451
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,360
his conclusions on ontological

2452
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,679
relativity so basically what ontological

2453
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,520
relativity means is what i just told you

2454
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,280
so if you have a if you have a chicken

2455
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,760
and you have a coffee table

2456
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,440
and this is now my interpretation this

2457
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,960
is not quite saying it but this is how

2458
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:10,800
i'm framing it if you have a chicken and

2459
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,600
a coffee table ordinarily we assume that

2460
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:15,760
there is such an object as a chicken and

2461
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:17,199
a coffee table

2462
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,560
these are just like

2463
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:20,000
objective things that exist independent

2464
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:21,840
of our minds independent of how we look

2465
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,880
at the world independent of who we are

2466
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,480
independent of consciousness

2467
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:28,480
there is something there and what i'm

2468
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:29,920
saying is that there's nothing there at

2469
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:32,080
all

2470
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:34,159
outside of how your mind perceives that

2471
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:35,840
thing

2472
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:38,159
and that difference that you imagine

2473
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:39,440
there is between a chicken and a coffee

2474
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:40,880
table is literally what a chicken and a

2475
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:43,440
coffee table are and if you ever realize

2476
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:44,719
that there is no difference between a

2477
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,840
chicken and a coffee table that's

2478
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,960
something you're imagining that

2479
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,560
difference will disappear and literally

2480
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:50,000
you will not be able to see a chicken

2481
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,679
and a coffee table they will merge into

2482
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,239
a single thing at the physical level i

2483
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,080
don't even think you need to go that

2484
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:58,480
that advanced i think even a scientist

2485
01:26:02,070 --> 01:26:00,159
well maybe not the traditional scientist

2486
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:02,080
but a true scientist one who doesn't

2487
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,040
take off

2488
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:04,960
a stance on philosophy would say that

2489
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:07,360
the distinction between an electron and

2490
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:10,960
a proton is merely one of predictivity

2491
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,120
that we haven't a formula for this and

2492
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:15,760
we can predict so and so but in reality

2493
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:18,000
it's not as if there exists something

2494
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:19,440
separate between a proton and an

2495
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:22,400
electron other than ours placing

2496
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,159
a certain framework on it so that we can

2497
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:26,320
predict and have formulas

2498
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,679
but i'm saying something more profound

2499
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:29,760
than that scientist so while we might

2500
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:31,600
agree that science is all instrumental

2501
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,800
that idea is called sort of basically

2502
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:34,560
instrumentalism this idea that it's sort

2503
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,880
of a pragmatic notion of of science

2504
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:38,320
which is like what science all that

2505
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,679
science really is if you want to be

2506
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:41,360
technical about it is just measurements

2507
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:42,400
you're making measurements between

2508
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,360
different things and then you're

2509
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:45,199
comparing them and then as long as your

2510
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:47,920
measurements are being used consistently

2511
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,199
then you've got something like a science

2512
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:51,040
and you can make certain predictions

2513
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:52,639
that's essentially and then and then on

2514
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:53,760
top of that you add a bunch of

2515
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:55,600
conceptual baggage too so there's plenty

2516
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,960
of that going on in science it's not

2517
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:58,880
just measurements but

2518
01:27:01,510 --> 01:27:00,239
it you can boil it down to measurements

2519
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:01,520
if you want to be extremely rigorous

2520
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:03,120
about it but what i'm saying is

2521
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:04,320
something much more profound than that

2522
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:06,000
what i'm saying is that

2523
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:07,440
even though at a conceptual level you

2524
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,199
can understand this idea of distinctions

2525
01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:10,800
and you might even agree with me and you

2526
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,639
might say yeah leo it's all distinctions

2527
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:14,159
but what i'm saying is that you're not

2528
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,520
conscious

2529
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:17,520
that this is the case

2530
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,520
you're thinking it's true but you're not

2531
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:21,840
conscious of what a distinction is so

2532
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,719
the

2533
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:24,719
you can actually have an awakening into

2534
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,159
what a distinction is and when you do

2535
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:30,639
you will actually be directly conscious

2536
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,480
of the uh of the the one true substance

2537
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:36,320
of existence which is

2538
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:38,719
nothing this is where language is so

2539
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,560
tricky leo because if i'm i like i said

2540
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,639
i believe or i agree with much of what

2541
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,400
you're saying but is we can't use

2542
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:48,159
language because so much of what you're

2543
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:51,920
saying there are caveats to it and then

2544
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:53,840
and contradictions within it but then

2545
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:55,520
you would say well of course like the

2546
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:57,120
word the realm of language is the

2547
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:59,679
improper domain for this it's experience

2548
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:01,440
or perhaps psychedelic experience

2549
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:03,520
whatever it may be because even there

2550
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,920
you can one can say that

2551
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:08,400
sorry but but that that's exactly how it

2552
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:10,000
should be i mean you would you would you

2553
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,760
should you should intuit that this must

2554
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:14,400
be the case because after all language

2555
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,520
is not

2556
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:17,280
fundamental to reality now this is also

2557
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,400
where i would disagree with language

2558
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,920
right says that it is

2559
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:20,960
um

2560
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,360
language is a language is a distinction

2561
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:25,120
within reality

2562
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:26,480
to have language you need to have

2563
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,639
non-language so you can't say that

2564
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:30,400
reality is language because you also

2565
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:32,239
need to have non-language without which

2566
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,760
the notion of language doesn't even

2567
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,199
exist

2568
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,270
to have non-dualism do you have to have

2569
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:41,440
dualism

2570
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,199
uh yeah you do actually

2571
01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:45,840
as a um

2572
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:47,600
non non doulas

2573
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,800
when you say nondualism what you're

2574
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,040
saying is absolute infinity and absolute

2575
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,520
infinity entails every possible finite

2576
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:55,360
thing

2577
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,400
which includes

2578
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:58,320
every possible delusion and fantasy and

2579
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:01,040
non-dua and including all dualities so

2580
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,520
the reason we have duality is because we

2581
01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:05,840
have non-duality which encompasses it so

2582
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:08,000
this is the yin yang symbol right the

2583
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:09,760
yin yang symbol is

2584
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,320
the white half and the black half with

2585
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,880
little dots in each half

2586
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:16,239
showing that there's a little bit of

2587
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:17,520
white in the black and black and the

2588
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:20,239
white right and then the you can also

2589
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:21,600
what people don't see about the yin yang

2590
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:24,000
is that it's it's a unity it's not just

2591
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:26,400
white and black together

2592
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,239
there's an over there's you can imagine

2593
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,400
a circle that combines the two together

2594
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,320
and that would be non-duality combining

2595
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,920
the duality

2596
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,920
so yeah non-duality and

2597
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,320
necessitates duality

2598
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:40,000
does

2599
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:49,110
it's a little tricky because your

2600
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:50,800
concept of existence is a relative

2601
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:52,480
notion of existence so there's existence

2602
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:54,239
that's absolute existence and there's

2603
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:00,790
at the absolute level there's no such

2604
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:02,239
thing as non-existence there's only

2605
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:05,280
existence existence is an absolute

2606
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:07,360
existence is infinity existence is

2607
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:09,199
consciousness

2608
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,159
there's no difference between

2609
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:12,960
consciousness and existence

2610
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:14,239
so literally the only thing that can

2611
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:16,400
happen is existence does consciousness

2612
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:18,840
necessitate

2613
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,719
non-consciousness it does if you have a

2614
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:22,159
relative notion of consciousness so this

2615
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:24,000
is also a problem is that most

2616
01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:25,280
materialists and scientists and

2617
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:26,560
academics when they talk about

2618
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:28,000
consciousness they're talking about in a

2619
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:29,920
relative sense in a dualistic sense

2620
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,080
consciousness and non-consciousness so

2621
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,639
like they talk about anesthesia or

2622
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:36,159
losing consciousness when you get hit in

2623
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:38,080
the head or stuff like that

2624
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:39,120
this is a relative notion of

2625
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:41,440
consciousness then there's an absolute

2626
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:43,199
consciousness which cannot have an

2627
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:44,800
opposite so the definition of what an

2628
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:46,239
absolute is an absolute is something

2629
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:48,880
that has no opposite

2630
01:30:52,229 --> 01:30:50,800
so god has no opposite

2631
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:52,239
consciousness has no opposite at the

2632
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:57,189
can you explain your two levels of love

2633
01:31:02,950 --> 01:30:59,520
at least briefly to the audience

2634
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:02,960
and also why because i've heard you

2635
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:05,280
i've heard you articulate that love

2636
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:08,719
level one love is what's rudimental but

2637
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:10,000
then at the same time you just said

2638
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:12,400
nothing is rudimental so there must be

2639
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:13,760
an equivalence between love and

2640
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:15,280
nothingness but either way explain the

2641
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:17,040
two levels of life yeah

2642
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:19,199
love is nothingness

2643
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:21,760
so love is a very profound concept most

2644
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:23,679
people think of love as some hippie new

2645
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,480
age idea or a human feeling see again

2646
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:28,080
love is one of those concepts that we

2647
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:30,080
bring a lot of metaphysical baggage into

2648
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:32,639
for example when we say love we assume

2649
01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:34,320
here's what the materialist assumes is

2650
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:36,639
that love is an emotion

2651
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:39,199
that is created by neurons in the brain

2652
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:41,199
that is

2653
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:43,600
a property of higher order mammals and

2654
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:46,480
living beings

2655
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:48,080
and there there would even be doubt in

2656
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:49,440
this in this model there would even be

2657
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:51,520
doubt whether like a cricket has love

2658
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:53,199
does it do you think a cricket has love

2659
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:55,840
can experience love

2660
01:32:00,070 --> 01:31:57,600
i don't know i i would imagine it's an

2661
01:32:02,229 --> 01:32:00,080
extremely low form of love if it does

2662
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:02,239
right and then would a rock experience

2663
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:03,760
love you would say no

2664
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:05,840
i'd imagine it's like one percent of a

2665
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:07,840
percentage right i mean

2666
01:32:12,149 --> 01:32:09,840
and and that would already require you

2667
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:12,159
to to be in the woo-woo territory

2668
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,679
because because if because if you if you

2669
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:15,040
tell a serious scientist that a rock

2670
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:16,800
experience is love they'll kick you out

2671
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:18,480
of their university you know it's so

2672
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:19,840
strange because

2673
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:21,440
these ideas that you and i are talking

2674
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:23,840
about they seem to be

2675
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:25,600
gaining more and more acceptance in a

2676
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:26,960
stranger that is

2677
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:28,639
that is true at least with itt

2678
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:29,840
integrated

2679
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:33,600
well because we're talking about it

2680
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:35,440
that's why that's almost like pan

2681
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:38,080
psychism so in some sense every single

2682
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:39,920
part of the universe's conscious is just

2683
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:41,520
at different degrees and that's a more

2684
01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:43,360
scientifically accepted theory of

2685
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:45,440
consciousness so it's so strange that

2686
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:47,520
much of what you and i say to the

2687
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:50,320
traditionally skeptical debunking

2688
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:53,199
materialist mindset it seems like

2689
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:56,080
all of it is so false that it's

2690
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:57,520
ridiculous we're even talking about it

2691
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:59,120
but that's even that's

2692
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:00,480
that's not true from a scientific

2693
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:02,800
perspective i just want to it's good

2694
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:05,360
it science is always evolving so of

2695
01:33:08,950 --> 01:33:07,199
course the ideas we're talking about if

2696
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:08,960
they are true if what we're doing here

2697
01:33:12,629 --> 01:33:10,320
actually has any kind of validity or

2698
01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:12,639
merit we should expect that science

2699
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:14,480
every decade will become more open to

2700
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:16,159
these ideas because they're inevitably

2701
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:17,840
true

2702
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:19,360
yeah let's get to these two levels of

2703
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:20,400
love

2704
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:24,639
yeah so so

2705
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:26,239
usually we think of love as an emotion

2706
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:28,480
love is not actually an emotion

2707
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:30,400
love has a

2708
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:32,800
is a metaphysical property of existence

2709
01:33:37,110 --> 01:33:35,040
so what we really mean by metaphysical

2710
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:37,120
love of which the emotion is just a

2711
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:38,639
little offshoot it's just like a little

2712
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,800
bit of like um almost like think of a

2713
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:42,400
volcano you know

2714
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:43,679
where does the lava come from in a

2715
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:45,280
volcano it comes from the core of the

2716
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:47,199
earth it's a very deep

2717
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:49,199
thing the lava it literally the insides

2718
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:50,880
of the earth are pouring out but if

2719
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:52,239
you're standing on the surface you only

2720
01:33:55,910 --> 01:33:53,760
see a little a little bit of lava

2721
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:55,920
popping out and you can't fathom how

2722
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:57,920
deep it goes

2723
01:34:01,910 --> 01:34:00,159
so likewise with love us humans you know

2724
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:01,920
when you love an object let's say you

2725
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:03,600
love what do you love you love bacon i

2726
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:04,960
don't know what's your favorite bacon

2727
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:08,000
man you know just between you and i

2728
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:11,440
my goal for one of my goals for life is

2729
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:12,719
to make

2730
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:15,120
enough money that i can buy what's

2731
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:17,120
called ready-made bacon and not feel bad

2732
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,600
about it because i don't i love bacon

2733
01:34:23,270 --> 01:34:21,440
but i don't like to cook it because of

2734
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:23,280
the mess and i would love it if i could

2735
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,560
micro i don't think i've bought

2736
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:26,239
microwavable bacon once in my life

2737
01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:28,000
because it's eight dollars when regular

2738
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:29,920
bacon is four dollars and i would like

2739
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,760
to get to the point where i can buy

2740
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:33,440
ready-made bacon and not feel bad about

2741
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:34,880
it at least not at the level of spending

2742
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:36,880
money i feel bad that there's extreme

2743
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:38,480
suffering that goes on behind the scenes

2744
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:40,320
to produce that bacon but let's put that

2745
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,600
aside

2746
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:43,440
yeah i i wouldn't buy that because it's

2747
01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:44,800
like in plastic isn't it wrapped in

2748
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:46,719
plastic or something yeah they're

2749
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:48,000
writing in the ready-made bacon what's

2750
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:49,360
the distinction between plastic and

2751
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:50,560
non-plastic

2752
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:51,600
but yeah

2753
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:52,560
well

2754
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:55,760
your body your body will ask you that

2755
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,600
later

2756
01:35:01,669 --> 01:34:59,280
um your body knows the difference but

2757
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:01,679
anyways um but yeah so see you love

2758
01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:03,440
bacon what does it really mean to say

2759
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:05,119
you love bacon we we say it but we don't

2760
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:06,800
think about it think about it very

2761
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:09,280
metaphysically like when you love bacon

2762
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:10,880
what's actually happening is that you're

2763
01:35:14,870 --> 01:35:13,040
you're tasting it and it's salty and

2764
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:14,880
it's crispy and it's crunchy and it's

2765
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:16,400
it's got the you're it's a

2766
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:18,800
phenomenological experience right eating

2767
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:20,960
bacon just like imagine it you're having

2768
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:23,520
an orgasm in your mouth and it feels

2769
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,239
amazing relative to other experiences

2770
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:29,280
you normally have right and and so you

2771
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:31,199
fall you were literally in love with

2772
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:34,239
that experience while it lasts it's so

2773
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:37,840
good you can your your mind

2774
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:39,520
your mind is biased like for example if

2775
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:41,040
we put uh

2776
01:35:44,470 --> 01:35:42,320
if we if

2777
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:44,480
if if i tell you to eat a cricket you're

2778
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,920
not going to have the same experience

2779
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:47,440
because your mind is biased it likes

2780
01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:49,280
bacon but it doesn't like crickets

2781
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:53,750
agreed so

2782
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:55,199
so what you're doing is you're comparing

2783
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,960
your mind is comparing these two

2784
01:36:01,109 --> 01:35:59,040
experiences consciousnesses and it's

2785
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:01,119
it's being biased towards one rather

2786
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:02,800
than the other and when it's doing that

2787
01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:05,280
it's recognizing the innate beauty of

2788
01:36:08,709 --> 01:36:06,800
that experience

2789
01:36:10,629 --> 01:36:08,719
in a biased way

2790
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:10,639
because you could actually train

2791
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,719
yourself to eat a cricket and to fall in

2792
01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:14,480
love with the taste of a cricket as much

2793
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:17,040
as bacon you could do that and certain

2794
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,639
animals

2795
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:20,159
experience it that way like maybe you

2796
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:23,199
know a snake or a frog it will prefer

2797
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:25,600
the the cricket over your bacon

2798
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:27,520
okay because i understand because it's

2799
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:29,199
its neurology is built such that it

2800
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:31,600
loves that thing it has a bias yeah

2801
01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:33,040
right so

2802
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:42,550
that's how we experience as humans but

2803
01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:45,360
at the level of god consciousness at the

2804
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:46,960
level of like

2805
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:48,800
being as conscious as possible there are

2806
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,040
no distinctions between things

2807
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:52,960
therefore there are no biases towards

2808
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:54,960
one experience over another experience

2809
01:37:00,629 --> 01:36:57,280
therefore what you have is you have a

2810
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:00,639
love of all experiences which is

2811
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:02,719
equally suffused throughout the entire

2812
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:04,080
universe so to speak throughout the

2813
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:05,679
entire field of consciousness

2814
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:06,800
consciousness imagine it like an

2815
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:08,159
infinite field

2816
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:09,440
anything that arises in that

2817
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:11,040
consciousness

2818
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:14,880
accept it as itself

2819
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,440
or it can reject it it can say no i

2820
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,280
don't like that experience i want to get

2821
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:21,520
rid of that experience and so we as

2822
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,760
living beings as humans we have

2823
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,280
preferences for certain experiences over

2824
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:27,199
others the ones we prefer we love and

2825
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:29,040
the ones we hate we call those evil and

2826
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:30,000
bad

2827
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:32,560
and and we call that pain and suffering

2828
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:33,679
um

2829
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:34,400
but

2830
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,560
from the absolute point of view because

2831
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,480
there literally is no difference between

2832
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:40,159
anything

2833
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:41,760
why would you love one thing over

2834
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:43,840
another thing why would a cricket be

2835
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:45,520
worse than bacon

2836
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:48,800
so when you're infinitely conscious

2837
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,400
you are so conscious that all

2838
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:52,800
distinctions collapse into a unity and

2839
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:55,360
that actual collapse

2840
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:57,840
is what love is so the technical def my

2841
01:38:02,149 --> 01:38:00,239
technical definition of of metaphysical

2842
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:02,159
love is the realization that there is no

2843
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,080
difference between anything when you're

2844
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:05,760
that conscious and you realize that

2845
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:06,880
there is no difference between anything

2846
01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:08,560
and you realize that everything is you

2847
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:10,800
you actually fall in love with yourself

2848
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:13,520
infinitely and you love all parts of

2849
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:15,440
reality infinitely at that level of

2850
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:16,639
consciousness

2851
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:18,400
you can love being tortured as much as

2852
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:19,840
you can love eating bacon and it makes

2853
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:21,679
no difference because

2854
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:23,760
in actual truth there is no difference

2855
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:25,520
between eating eating bacon and being

2856
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:28,239
tortured but your mind thinks there is

2857
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,600
and as long as you believe that then

2858
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:33,600
that's what you're going to experience

2859
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:34,960
and you're going to have a limited form

2860
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:37,679
of love so the two levels of love is the

2861
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,199
absolute love which is completely

2862
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:41,440
unbiased and then the biased form of

2863
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:43,440
love which you need to have in order to

2864
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:45,600
survive as a human being remember

2865
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:49,199
everything you think and do and feel is

2866
01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:51,280
conditioned by your need to survive as a

2867
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:52,880
finite form that you are that you're

2868
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:54,800
attached to you're attached to being

2869
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:55,679
human

2870
01:39:02,149 --> 01:38:58,000
that means that you can't love being

2871
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:03,189
poison

2872
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:05,199
because it'll kill you

2873
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:07,119
but god doesn't have that problem

2874
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,480
because at the level of god

2875
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:10,960
consciousness it has no body it has no

2876
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,880
form it can't be harmed by anything and

2877
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:14,560
it's completely selfless it has no self

2878
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:16,000
it has no identity its identity is

2879
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:17,440
everything when your identity is

2880
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:19,040
everything do you care

2881
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:20,800
what happens to you no because you're

2882
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:22,880
equally happy being in any way that you

2883
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,800
could be

2884
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,480
what's the difference here between okay

2885
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:29,040
firstly this is presuming some absolute

2886
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,400
relativism is that correct

2887
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:34,320
um well i want to know what you mean by

2888
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:37,280
that exactly but i would i'm inclined to

2889
01:39:44,470 --> 01:39:39,600
say yes yeah yeah what i mean is that it

2890
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:46,790
a blank sheet of paper that's of

2891
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:50,400
infinite extent privileges no point

2892
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:51,760
exactly

2893
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:55,280
intuition i'm actually releasing an

2894
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:56,560
episode about this in the next week or

2895
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:58,719
two the deep intuition here is this

2896
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:00,880
why wouldn't the universe be perfectly

2897
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:02,560
symmetrical

2898
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:04,239
in every possible way why would it have

2899
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:06,639
any kind of biases for example do you

2900
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:10,000
think that the universe cares

2901
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,270
like have sex with a goat

2902
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:17,760
do you think it cares

2903
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:19,679
part of the universe that encompasses my

2904
01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:21,520
wife would care but

2905
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:23,199
right i'm not sure exactly the universe

2906
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:24,639
exactly part of the unit but i mean like

2907
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:27,119
the universe as a whole right well no

2908
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,600
man like this see there's so much about

2909
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:31,520
what's being said that people who are

2910
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:32,800
listening are like kurt why are you not

2911
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:35,360
objecting well firstly i'm my my

2912
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,199
job here isn't to simply object for the

2913
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:39,280
sake of objecting but the number two

2914
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:41,920
it's that there's so much here that

2915
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:44,880
belong in the realm of or that yes they

2916
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:48,080
belong in the realm of linguistic

2917
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:49,360
tricks though i'm not saying you're

2918
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,760
using them as tricks it's just that it's

2919
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,080
so difficult to speak about because as

2920
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:56,159
soon as soon as you speak about it you

2921
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,480
degrade it i think of course

2922
01:41:01,189 --> 01:41:00,159
wittgenstein i'm sure you're aware had

2923
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,199
such

2924
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:03,600
huge injunctions about speaking firstly

2925
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:05,199
about what you can't be precise about

2926
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:07,360
and second even though people thought

2927
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:09,199
wittgenstein was a

2928
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:11,520
hard-nosed atheist he actually

2929
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:14,719
profoundly loved the more mystic sides

2930
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:17,360
of reality and would say that

2931
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:19,040
consciousness is not it's it's not a

2932
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:20,719
something but it's not a nothing either

2933
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:23,119
it's a famous quote i love that quote

2934
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:24,639
but it's not a nothing either because to

2935
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,639
say it's a nothing implies a

2936
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:28,480
implies the delineation that we were

2937
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:29,920
enjoying because he was talking about

2938
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:31,679
the two yeah because that's a relative

2939
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,600
duality so he intuited that yeah that's

2940
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:35,360
that's smart of him to do he all you

2941
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:37,119
know what else he said my favorite quote

2942
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:38,719
of wickenstein's is this

2943
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,600
uh

2944
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:41,760
the aim of philosophy is to show the fly

2945
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:47,669
and that is what we're doing here my job

2946
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:50,320
is to show you how to because you are

2947
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,000
literally lost inside an infinite

2948
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,000
labyrinth of your own mind

2949
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:56,159
concepts and ideas and science and toes

2950
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:57,600
and theories you've studied so many of

2951
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:58,960
them

2952
01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:00,400
um and i can totally empathize because

2953
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:02,480
i've been there myself and so the trick

2954
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:03,920
here is how do you

2955
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:06,159
go through all of that and come out to

2956
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:08,000
truth in the end because there are so

2957
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:10,159
many ways you can get lost there are so

2958
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:12,320
many dead ends and cul-de-sacs you can

2959
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,159
explore your mind forever you can

2960
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:16,560
explore the mind for a for a billion

2961
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:18,560
years and not get to the bottom of it

2962
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:20,159
because it's infinite have you heard of

2963
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:22,400
wittgenstein's ladder

2964
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:23,440
yeah

2965
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:25,440
okay well it seems like

2966
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:27,520
possible what about it possibly what i'm

2967
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:29,840
doing is is going up the wickensteinian

2968
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,679
ladder and for the people who are

2969
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:33,360
unaware uh

2970
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,080
i believe his tractatus or whichever he

2971
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:38,159
had only pretty much two publications

2972
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:39,920
whichever one yeah it's at the end of

2973
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,360
tractatus he says it's like the last

2974
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:43,440
lines of the tractatus

2975
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:44,400
yeah

2976
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:45,600
once you climb up the ladder of

2977
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,440
philosophy you throw it away mm-hmm the

2978
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:49,360
whole point was to just throw this away

2979
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,880
to get you to the point where you could

2980
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:52,719
realize this right and

2981
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:53,920
and by the way

2982
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:58,480
you ever awaken if you ever reaches god

2983
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:00,639
realization what you'll realize is that

2984
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,560
absolutely every single step in your

2985
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:04,960
life was necessary to get you there

2986
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:06,480
including this conversation but not just

2987
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:08,239
this conversation your conversations

2988
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:09,600
with your wife the fact that you married

2989
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:10,560
your wife

2990
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:12,320
the fact you went to school the fact

2991
01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:14,159
that you were even deluded all the evil

2992
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:15,600
you did you will realize in

2993
01:43:19,350 --> 01:43:16,960
retrospect that all of that was

2994
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:19,360
necessary for you to

2995
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:21,119
bust through all of the resistance you

2996
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:25,360
had towards realizing that you were god

2997
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:27,119
would you say that it was necessary or

2998
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:30,159
would you say that it helped

2999
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:31,360
like what is the difference well

3000
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,480
obviously there's a difference between

3001
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,000
those two but why are you saying it's

3002
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:36,880
necessary so let me give you an example

3003
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:39,440
is it necessary that

3004
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:40,960
well everything is necessary because

3005
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:42,320
everything is absolute of absolute

3006
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:43,840
tautology this will take us into the

3007
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:45,760
free will question that i know you want

3008
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:46,800
to answer

3009
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:48,239
well we can get there

3010
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:50,159
are we done are we done with love yet or

3011
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:52,800
no no no i'm i'm just

3012
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:53,760
see

3013
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:56,400
i'm not a fan of explanations that use

3014
01:44:04,070 --> 01:43:59,760
the same word in a polysemic matter

3015
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:06,709
i think that different words should be

3016
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,400
given instead of saying level one love

3017
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:10,080
and then level two love i think that you

3018
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:11,440
should give a different word to it so

3019
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:13,040
say level two love is called love

3020
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:14,639
because we traditionally understand it

3021
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,000
to mean a certain to have a certain

3022
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:18,239
connotate and denotation and then you

3023
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:20,880
give the level one love a different

3024
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:23,440
word rather than calling it level

3025
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,199
rather than calling these

3026
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:27,600
underrived elemental blocks level one

3027
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:29,360
love you call it something else and the

3028
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:31,760
reason is that when you're explaining

3029
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:33,760
you or anyone else whenever they use

3030
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:35,199
like i mentioned the same word in an

3031
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:36,639
equivocal manner

3032
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,960
it gets confused yeah yeah and then you

3033
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:40,560
can take someone through these logical

3034
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:41,840
sequential

3035
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:43,760
reasoning steps and at each point

3036
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:45,760
someone can agree because the reader the

3037
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,560
listener or the watcher has a certain

3038
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:50,480
meaning in their head

3039
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:52,239
but it's different than what you have

3040
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:54,000
and then at some point you arrive at a

3041
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:56,000
different place so i

3042
01:45:02,870 --> 01:44:58,320
i guess in some sense it's at the

3043
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:05,430
i'm going to give a brief math analogy

3044
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:07,040
and then i'll give a peterson analogy

3045
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:09,119
which more people would get but for you

3046
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,040
you would probably get the math analogy

3047
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:13,119
if i was in mat in group theory there's

3048
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:15,119
something called the

3049
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:17,440
well there's the op the group operation

3050
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:19,280
so it's denoted with a circle but you

3051
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:20,880
call it circ but you can also call it

3052
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:23,520
plus and if i was to use the generic

3053
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:25,600
group operation plus to mean the plus of

3054
01:45:30,149 --> 01:45:27,360
the integers which is commutative but

3055
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:30,159
the generic group operation is not then

3056
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:32,880
i can prove fantastic theorems i can

3057
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:35,280
prove go back's conjecture like this

3058
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:36,880
and that's because i'm using the word

3059
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:37,760
plus

3060
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:39,840
equivalently not specifically

3061
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:41,119
indistinctly

3062
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:42,880
so that's why i think one should outline

3063
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:44,719
relationships separately okay now for

3064
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:46,800
those who aren't mathematically oriented

3065
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:48,480
i'll give you a different analogy

3066
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:50,159
people accuse peterson of jesus

3067
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:52,159
smuggling and part of the reason is that

3068
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:53,760
he'll bring up the word

3069
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:57,600
which has a religious connotation but it

3070
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:59,199
also has a secular one

3071
01:46:01,510 --> 01:46:00,000
and

3072
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:01,520
he'll give

3073
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:03,119
or at least in some people's minds he'll

3074
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:05,040
give the impression of speaking about

3075
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:07,760
the unsacred phenomenon which is logos

3076
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,960
and then all of a sudden you arrive in

3077
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:10,800
jerusalem and you're like how the heck

3078
01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:13,199
did i get here and it's because one is

3079
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:15,440
using the same word in different manners

3080
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:16,639
and at

3081
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:18,960
and you can agree at each point at each

3082
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:21,600
point and then arrive at a completely

3083
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:23,520
far-off place and i'm a proponent of

3084
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:26,719
being as precise as one can possibly be

3085
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:28,000
especially when talking about

3086
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:30,239
fundamental reality not to be unduly

3087
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:32,639
persnickety or to deride or to pick

3088
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:34,800
apart but somewhat precisely the

3089
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:37,440
opposite because i think that

3090
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:39,280
one should build one or like i don't

3091
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:40,960
know how one can build a top shaky

3092
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:42,000
foundation

3093
01:46:46,229 --> 01:46:44,960
and this scrutiny breeds solidity

3094
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:46,239
that yeah

3095
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:49,840
that's the two points about that so

3096
01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:51,760
of course we're in we're entangled in

3097
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:54,880
language and this presents enormous uh

3098
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:57,199
epistemic challenges for us and even

3099
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:58,560
metaphysical ones because the

3100
01:47:01,990 --> 01:47:00,719
metaphysics is tied with epistemology so

3101
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:02,000
the problem is that all language is

3102
01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:03,119
relative

3103
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:06,480
and even your notion of what

3104
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:08,560
of what jesus is is not the same notion

3105
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:10,320
as my notion of what jesus is literally

3106
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:12,400
every human mind on the planet has a

3107
01:47:17,109 --> 01:47:14,880
different idea of what every word means

3108
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:17,119
so even if we take like the word chicken

3109
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:18,719
your idea of chicken is not the same as

3110
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:20,400
my idea of chicken if we sit down we

3111
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:22,080
make a list of all our ideas about what

3112
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:24,239
a chicken is our like ultimate

3113
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:25,920
definitions of chickens there's gonna be

3114
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:27,600
differences and we can disagree about

3115
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:29,040
the not only in the list but in the

3116
01:47:31,990 --> 01:47:30,719
perception like if you were to take

3117
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:32,000
psychedelics and somehow transport

3118
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:32,880
bodies

3119
01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:34,560
you may realize man

3120
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,840
i thought i knew what a chicken was but

3121
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:37,360
i had no idea that you thought a chicken

3122
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:39,119
was this

3123
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:42,159
yeah exactly so this is just language is

3124
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:44,320
extremely tricky in this way it's very

3125
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:47,119
relativistic in this way um and you can

3126
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:48,800
even change your own ideas of what a

3127
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:50,480
chicken is like and that in fact you do

3128
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:52,159
that as you're doing science and as

3129
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:54,400
you're doing this philosophical work is

3130
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:55,679
that part of the problem here is that

3131
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:57,760
when you start off you adopt all these

3132
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:58,800
labels where do they come from you

3133
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,719
didn't invent them you got them from

3134
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:02,639
indoctrination from your schooling you

3135
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:04,080
never questioned what a chicken is they

3136
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:05,520
just told you it was a chicken and you

3137
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:08,719
just accepted it likewise uh they never

3138
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:10,800
told you really what an atom or an

3139
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:13,760
electron is or or energy is you just

3140
01:48:17,669 --> 01:48:15,760
accepted these just intuitively had some

3141
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:17,679
intuitive vague sense and then as you do

3142
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:20,080
the work you it gets refined and then

3143
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:21,360
you you change your idea like oh i

3144
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:22,639
thought energy was this and now it's

3145
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:24,080
this and then like oh no i was wrong

3146
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:25,440
about that too and now it's this and you

3147
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:27,199
keep expanding and refining your idea of

3148
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:28,320
energy

3149
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:29,520
um

3150
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:32,960
and the problem is that it's endless you

3151
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:35,520
can do this forever basically um

3152
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:37,600
and you're playing these games

3153
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,280
and uh and yeah people use different

3154
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:41,360
definitions for different things and so

3155
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:43,119
that's you have to take all that into

3156
01:48:45,669 --> 01:48:44,400
account as you're listening to me and

3157
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,679
also as you're thinking about your own

3158
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:47,520
definitions and you have to also realize

3159
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:49,760
that maybe my definition of what love is

3160
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:52,080
isn't right and by me i don't mean me i

3161
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:53,760
mean you

3162
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:54,880
so like

3163
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:56,800
maybe leo is wrong about his ideas of

3164
01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:59,600
love but maybe the way you define love

3165
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:02,000
maybe there's a lot of fuzziness there

3166
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:04,080
and maybe it's not being defined very

3167
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,960
well

3168
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:06,480
or maybe there's a misunderstanding

3169
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,159
there i actually have a really good uh

3170
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:10,080
analogy that i invented

3171
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:11,920
i'm writing a book it's about the lego

3172
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:14,080
blocks

3173
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:15,840
no it's a different one okay

3174
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:17,199
we'll talk about the lego blocks let's

3175
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:18,719
see here the yeah okay

3176
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,800
so the so this relates to the love

3177
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,880
question all right so here imagine this

3178
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:24,239
the following thought experiment we take

3179
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:26,960
a small child and baby um

3180
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:29,360
we we we build a special facility in

3181
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:31,360
which we're going to raise this child uh

3182
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:33,199
the child will only live on this campus

3183
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:34,800
let's say it's a university campus the

3184
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:36,719
child can only live there as a baby and

3185
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,719
we will teach that child

3186
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:40,560
everything that you know it's like it's

3187
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:42,000
like a lab experiment we're going to

3188
01:49:45,189 --> 01:49:43,679
teach him only the words we want him to

3189
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:45,199
know and only the concept we want him to

3190
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:46,480
know or her

3191
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:52,390
we have a little backyard area there

3192
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:54,320
where we have ducks

3193
01:49:57,589 --> 01:49:55,760
and we take the child out there every

3194
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:57,599
day and we show him

3195
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:00,480
duck duck duck you know these ducks

3196
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:02,080
uh and when we do that we point to the

3197
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:04,560
duck and we say energy

3198
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:06,960
energy energy and every time he sees a

3199
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:10,400
duck he associates that with energy and

3200
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:12,000
and then we have classrooms that we put

3201
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:14,080
in and then we talk about how energy

3202
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,080
works we give him some equations for

3203
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:18,960
energy and we explain energy but all the

3204
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:21,040
time we tell him that

3205
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:23,040
duck is energy

3206
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:27,679
that's that's what we teach him then

3207
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:30,159
what we do let's say he's 20 years old

3208
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:31,840
finally we let him out of this compound

3209
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:33,920
into the real world he goes to a real

3210
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:36,000
university and he goes to a physics

3211
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:37,679
classroom and he's sitting there in the

3212
01:50:41,589 --> 01:50:38,400
you know

3213
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:41,599
physics 101 class and the professor is

3214
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:43,040
talking about how

3215
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:45,520
everything is energy

3216
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:47,440
the table is energy

3217
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:49,520
the stars are energy

3218
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:50,960
the the light bulbs in the room are

3219
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:54,239
energy food is energy and the kid is

3220
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:56,880
sitting there and he's he's completely

3221
01:51:01,750 --> 01:51:00,159
dumbfounded and he's he's furious

3222
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,760
at this professor like what kind of

3223
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:03,760
nonsense are you talking about how can

3224
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:06,480
the table be energy how can the stars be

3225
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:08,719
energy how can light be energy only

3226
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:15,189
now how do you train that person

3227
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:16,880
to have the proper

3228
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:18,560
concept of energy

3229
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:21,840
after 20 years of that brainwashing

3230
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:23,760
so my claim is that this is exactly what

3231
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:25,920
has happened with love

3232
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:27,840
we've been trained

3233
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:29,440
on what love is

3234
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:31,280
with pleasurable experiences that we've

3235
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:33,760
been getting and how adults around us

3236
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:36,159
have told us what is appropriate to love

3237
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:37,840
and what is not appropriate to love like

3238
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:40,080
it's okay to love bacon but it's wrong

3239
01:51:43,589 --> 01:51:42,320
to love having sex with goats

3240
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:43,599
we've been trained this is part of our

3241
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,480
culture this is baked into us

3242
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:48,480
and now when someone like me comes along

3243
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:49,360
and says

3244
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:55,430
when i say the coffee table is love uh

3245
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:56,800
you look at that and you look at me and

3246
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,320
you say leo is crazy

3247
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:02,480
now here

3248
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:03,840
is where

3249
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:07,119
i would say that we need a bit more

3250
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:09,520
sophistication with the language

3251
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:11,599
rather so there's like two points we can

3252
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:12,560
take it

3253
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:14,960
one can say one where we need a complete

3254
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:16,400
dissolution of the language like

3255
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:18,320
language is actually holding us back and

3256
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:20,159
i'm inclined to agree and the other

3257
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:22,000
point is that our language is not

3258
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:25,280
articulate or delineated or demarcated

3259
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:27,679
enough and there are some arguments to

3260
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:30,239
be made there now one would be like

3261
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:31,840
let's talk about our friend wittgenstein

3262
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:34,320
he would say that language is simply use

3263
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:36,000
so when you say book the reason i

3264
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:37,760
understand it to be book is because

3265
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:40,560
we've used it in our culture to mean so

3266
01:52:43,270 --> 01:52:41,840
and so

3267
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:43,280
and when this person has been told

3268
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,719
energy

3269
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:46,320
it works for them in the previous i

3270
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:47,599
believe it was the university in that

3271
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:50,320
example like a low-end university and

3272
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:52,159
then at the second end the higher-end

3273
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:54,080
university or whatever hierarchy we want

3274
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:55,599
to give it the higher-end university the

3275
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:57,679
more true university the scientific

3276
01:53:01,750 --> 01:53:00,320
university energy was associated with

3277
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:01,760
atoms and so on

3278
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:02,639
well

3279
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:05,040
the point was that different words

3280
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:06,800
should have been used and that you can

3281
01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:08,080
see the conflict because they're now

3282
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:11,119
being used differently

3283
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:12,719
so rather than i would just say rather

3284
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:15,760
than saying you need to untrain people

3285
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:17,520
or disabuse them of their notions of

3286
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,840
love i would say perhaps you just need

3287
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:21,840
to come up with a different word like

3288
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:23,360
call it bagabu

3289
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:25,040
instead of no

3290
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:27,599
no that that's precisely what my example

3291
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:29,920
is meant to um disagree with

3292
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:31,840
and demonstrate why that why that's a

3293
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:33,599
bad idea

3294
01:53:38,070 --> 01:53:36,080
is because um then there's something

3295
01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:38,080
about the traditional word love that

3296
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,760
you're trying to retain because if it

3297
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:42,080
was completely independent you wouldn't

3298
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:50,790
um

3299
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:53,599
it's hard for me to explain why

3300
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:54,960
it's important i mean i get the same

3301
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:56,159
argument people tell me the same thing

3302
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:57,599
about god they say leo why do you call

3303
01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:59,199
it god it's so stupid why don't you just

3304
01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:01,119
call it like nothingness

3305
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:02,560
to make it more scientific and

3306
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:05,040
acceptable to atheists you know atheists

3307
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:06,960
atheists will accept that that reality

3308
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:08,320
is made of nothing atheists will accept

3309
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:10,239
that but they won't accept god

3310
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:11,920
um yeah what's your answer to that

3311
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:13,760
there's actually a deep problem the

3312
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:16,400
resistance to the fact

3313
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:17,840
the resistance to the use of the word

3314
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,000
god or love is itself the problem that

3315
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,400
needs to be tackled and addressed

3316
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:24,560
head-on

3317
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:26,639
because see there's a reason why you're

3318
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:28,400
objecting to the use of the word love or

3319
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:31,040
god it's because you're resisting it

3320
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:33,280
you actually don't want to realize that

3321
01:54:36,550 --> 01:54:35,040
everything is god or everything is love

3322
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,560
you would want it to be called some

3323
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:38,320
other word that would make it easy

3324
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:41,520
because then you can disconnect

3325
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:43,280
your direct experience with love with

3326
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:45,840
some just silly concept

3327
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:46,800
you see

3328
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:48,000
what needs to happen is that you need to

3329
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:49,520
recognize

3330
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:51,520
that the thing that you actually love in

3331
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,760
your life let's say you love your wife

3332
01:54:58,709 --> 01:54:55,520
you need to recognize that that is an

3333
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:58,719
arbitrary bias your love for your wife

3334
01:55:03,589 --> 01:55:00,480
is as uh

3335
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:03,599
is as selective as it is to call a duck

3336
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:04,639
energy

3337
01:55:08,149 --> 01:55:06,320
you n you're missing the connection

3338
01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:08,159
between the love for your wife and the

3339
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:09,280
love for

3340
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:11,280
uh some child in africa that you don't

3341
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:12,880
care about

3342
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:15,360
or the love for hitler

3343
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,599
like in your mind these are disconnected

3344
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:19,760
things and the point of calling it all

3345
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:21,119
love is because now it interconnects in

3346
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:22,400
the same way that like

3347
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:25,440
why do we why do we call

3348
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:26,880
everything in physics energy in a

3349
01:55:31,270 --> 01:55:28,960
certain sense because it tells us that

3350
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:31,280
everything is interrelated and that

3351
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:32,560
everything can be converted into

3352
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:35,040
something else like your body is energy

3353
01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:37,440
when it dies it will turn into energy in

3354
01:55:41,990 --> 01:55:40,080
the grass that will grow from your

3355
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:42,000
corpse and then that grass will be eaten

3356
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:44,000
by some cow and that will turn into

3357
01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:45,520
energy in the cow and then someone will

3358
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:47,520
eat that steak and get energy from the

3359
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:49,520
steak and it's a it's a cycle and it's

3360
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,440
all interconnected and this is

3361
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,199
profoundly important for physics because

3362
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:54,880
it's the unity of all of physics and

3363
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:57,360
science is basically you know

3364
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:59,679
e equals m c squared it can all be

3365
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:01,119
converted and there's a conservation of

3366
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:03,760
energy that's going on well likewise

3367
01:56:08,229 --> 01:56:06,880
when i say everything is love

3368
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:08,239
i'm trying to point you towards a

3369
01:56:13,750 --> 01:56:11,920
profound realization of how

3370
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:13,760
love manifests in the universe and i

3371
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,679
can't do that if i call it bugaboo or

3372
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:17,520
whatever you wanted me to call it

3373
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:19,280
i hear what you're saying

3374
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:21,360
as being as agreeing to what i just said

3375
01:56:25,109 --> 01:56:22,960
because what i was saying before was

3376
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:25,119
that we have some ideas as to what love

3377
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:28,000
is and then you have a refined version

3378
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:29,840
of what love is but it bears some

3379
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:31,119
resemblance and that's why you're trying

3380
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:32,480
to save it's almost like you're trying

3381
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:34,800
to recover the word love if the word

3382
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:37,119
love has been lost and in some sense

3383
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:39,360
literally yeah forgotten that we're god

3384
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:40,880
in spyra's

3385
01:56:45,030 --> 01:56:43,520
words same for god same for god by the

3386
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,040
way the same for truth all these words

3387
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:47,360
have been corrupted deeply

3388
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:50,080
love truth reality all these words are

3389
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:51,520
very corrupted

3390
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:53,760
so part of our process here is to

3391
01:56:57,669 --> 01:56:55,599
rehabilitate these words and take them

3392
01:56:59,189 --> 01:56:57,679
back and to purify them

3393
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:59,199
to give people a proper understanding of

3394
01:57:03,030 --> 01:57:01,760
these words could someone say that hate

3395
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:03,040
is what

3396
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:05,440
are these primitive components rather

3397
01:57:11,109 --> 01:57:08,159
than love can someone use the word hate

3398
01:57:12,790 --> 01:57:11,119
like it's all made of hate

3399
01:57:14,470 --> 01:57:12,800
yeah i get i get that often it's like

3400
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:14,480
people say well leo if everything is

3401
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:16,000
infinite love why can't be infinite hate

3402
01:57:22,830 --> 01:57:17,920
too if god can be all loving can't god

3403
01:57:28,629 --> 01:57:26,870
mm-hmm and the answer is no

3404
01:57:31,270 --> 01:57:28,639
because

3405
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:31,280
the source of hate itself the whole

3406
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:36,709
hate is a hate is a reaction you have to

3407
01:57:41,350 --> 01:57:39,840
some aspect of reality

3408
01:57:42,629 --> 01:57:41,360
you see some some experience that you

3409
01:57:45,270 --> 01:57:42,639
don't like and that that's hate it's a

3410
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:45,280
rejection of some aspect so god can hate

3411
01:57:48,870 --> 01:57:47,360
of course that's what human hate is

3412
01:57:50,390 --> 01:57:48,880
but it's always going to be finite and

3413
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:50,400
limited it's not going to be infinite

3414
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:56,149
uh let me see if there's a better way to

3415
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:57,040
say it

3416
01:58:02,709 --> 01:58:01,030
you have to understand that here it gets

3417
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:02,719
really tricky because the notion of love

3418
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:05,040
see again love is it we have two notions

3419
01:58:07,589 --> 01:58:06,480
of love we have a relative notion and an

3420
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:07,599
absolute if you're talking about the

3421
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:08,800
relative notion of love which is what

3422
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:10,560
most humans talk about and what you're

3423
01:58:15,589 --> 01:58:13,280
thinking right now probably then that is

3424
01:58:17,830 --> 01:58:15,599
a duality between love and hate that's

3425
01:58:19,109 --> 01:58:17,840
that's the duality and so in this sense

3426
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:19,119
you can have love and hate and they can

3427
01:58:22,390 --> 01:58:20,400
play with each other whatever they can

3428
01:58:23,589 --> 01:58:22,400
be in different degrees but what i'm

3429
01:58:26,070 --> 01:58:23,599
talking about is i'm talking about

3430
01:58:28,470 --> 01:58:26,080
absolute love absolute love is a love so

3431
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:28,480
deep that it incorporates even hate so

3432
01:58:31,669 --> 01:58:30,239
what you call hate i would call absolute

3433
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:31,679
love

3434
01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:33,360
it's incorporated

3435
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:35,920
like that yin yang

3436
01:58:40,550 --> 01:58:37,679
so hate is like the black part of the

3437
01:58:43,589 --> 01:58:41,990
relative love is like the white part of

3438
01:58:48,870 --> 01:58:43,599
the yin yang and then what i call

3439
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:50,470
man there's such there's so many great

3440
01:58:54,149 --> 01:58:52,560
analogies here to math there's something

3441
01:58:55,910 --> 01:58:54,159
called item potence

3442
01:58:57,270 --> 01:58:55,920
yeah speak speaking of i just speaking

3443
01:58:59,350 --> 01:58:57,280
of math you know i'm actually not very

3444
01:59:01,510 --> 01:58:59,360
good at math um

3445
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:01,520
um and i don't really enjoy doing it but

3446
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:04,400
um i i watched a movie yesterday

3447
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:06,400
i found this movie by the title called

3448
01:59:10,709 --> 01:59:09,119
uh the man who knew infinity

3449
01:59:13,270 --> 01:59:10,719
it's actually i'll be posting it on my

3450
01:59:15,270 --> 01:59:13,280
blog over the next few weeks but it was

3451
01:59:17,350 --> 01:59:15,280
about uh ramanujan you know this guy

3452
01:59:19,589 --> 01:59:17,360
this brilliant

3453
01:59:22,229 --> 01:59:19,599
indian math prodigy who died when he was

3454
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:22,239
really young but um the story with him

3455
01:59:25,830 --> 01:59:24,239
goes is that like he had this divine

3456
01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:25,840
connection to his god and god was

3457
01:59:30,470 --> 01:59:27,679
delivering these you know amazing

3458
01:59:31,910 --> 01:59:30,480
mathematical proofs to him and theorems

3459
01:59:33,510 --> 01:59:31,920
and stuff

3460
01:59:35,510 --> 01:59:33,520
it's called the man who knew infinity

3461
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:35,520
which is exactly correct yeah

3462
01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:37,360
let's move on to

3463
01:59:40,870 --> 01:59:38,960
free will

3464
01:59:43,030 --> 01:59:40,880
how can it firstly why don't you explain

3465
01:59:48,790 --> 01:59:43,040
your ideas to free will do we have free

3466
01:59:53,589 --> 01:59:51,430
it's very tricky

3467
01:59:55,669 --> 01:59:53,599
because again you have to notice

3468
01:59:57,350 --> 01:59:55,679
that every question so notice this meta

3469
01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:57,360
issue every question you have about

3470
02:00:01,589 --> 01:59:59,760
existence is going to be um

3471
02:00:03,589 --> 02:00:01,599
corrupted with a sort of duality so

3472
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:03,599
already when you say free will what's

3473
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:06,159
that in opposition to determinism or

3474
02:00:10,470 --> 02:00:08,400
non-free will right

3475
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:10,480
um and so you should notice that that

3476
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:12,560
itself is already an imagined

3477
02:00:15,750 --> 02:00:13,840
distinction

3478
02:00:17,189 --> 02:00:15,760
which is already problematic so if you

3479
02:00:17,990 --> 02:00:17,199
think it's going to be one or the other

3480
02:00:21,589 --> 02:00:18,000
you're

3481
02:00:23,270 --> 02:00:21,599
right in general this here's a little

3482
02:00:25,589 --> 02:00:23,280
simple way for you to avoid a lot of

3483
02:00:26,870 --> 02:00:25,599
confusion and problems in this

3484
02:00:29,030 --> 02:00:26,880
quest

3485
02:00:31,109 --> 02:00:29,040
to understand nature

3486
02:00:32,950 --> 02:00:31,119
is that any time you find a duality and

3487
02:00:35,109 --> 02:00:32,960
then you side with only one half of that

3488
02:00:37,109 --> 02:00:35,119
duality you can be sure you're going to

3489
02:00:39,430 --> 02:00:37,119
be ultimately wrong

3490
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:39,440
because nature has to incorporate both

3491
02:00:42,070 --> 02:00:40,400
sides

3492
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:42,080
of the duality for example

3493
02:00:46,149 --> 02:00:43,920
consider science you have science on the

3494
02:00:47,669 --> 02:00:46,159
one hand and then you have uh

3495
02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:47,679
pseudoscience on the other hand

3496
02:00:50,229 --> 02:00:49,360
everything that's not science you might

3497
02:00:53,189 --> 02:00:50,239
say

3498
02:00:54,870 --> 02:00:53,199
if you think that science is where all

3499
02:00:57,030 --> 02:00:54,880
the truth is and that there's no more

3500
02:00:58,790 --> 02:00:57,040
truth to be found in pseudoscience you

3501
02:01:00,149 --> 02:00:58,800
can be sure you're wrong on the other

3502
02:01:01,589 --> 02:01:00,159
hand if you think all the truth is going

3503
02:01:03,669 --> 02:01:01,599
to be found in pseudoscience and none in

3504
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:03,679
science you're also wrong

3505
02:01:05,990 --> 02:01:04,560
it's going to have to somehow

3506
02:01:08,070 --> 02:01:06,000
incorporate both

3507
02:01:10,149 --> 02:01:08,080
because both are aspects of infinite

3508
02:01:11,750 --> 02:01:10,159
consciousness consciousness can imagine

3509
02:01:13,109 --> 02:01:11,760
both and therefore both have to be part

3510
02:01:14,790 --> 02:01:13,119
of it

3511
02:01:15,669 --> 02:01:14,800
but anyways so back to the free will

3512
02:01:16,629 --> 02:01:15,679
issue

3513
02:01:18,629 --> 02:01:16,639
um

3514
02:01:20,229 --> 02:01:18,639
perhaps you should define free will

3515
02:01:22,390 --> 02:01:20,239
whether or not you're going to say it

3516
02:01:23,669 --> 02:01:22,400
exists or not

3517
02:01:27,750 --> 02:01:23,679
yeah

3518
02:01:31,189 --> 02:01:29,589
it's relative so it depends on what

3519
02:01:33,030 --> 02:01:31,199
perspective you're looking at it from so

3520
02:01:34,470 --> 02:01:33,040
i can't give you a well i can give you

3521
02:01:35,669 --> 02:01:34,480
an absolute answer but

3522
02:01:37,350 --> 02:01:35,679
the absolute answer is not going to be

3523
02:01:39,030 --> 02:01:37,360
something you like and that itself you

3524
02:01:40,950 --> 02:01:39,040
can consider sort of a perspective so

3525
02:01:43,030 --> 02:01:40,960
basically let's say that you're at the

3526
02:01:44,149 --> 02:01:43,040
level of ordinary human consciousness if

3527
02:01:46,470 --> 02:01:44,159
you're at the level of ordinary human

3528
02:01:47,669 --> 02:01:46,480
consciousness that's one situation we

3529
02:01:48,950 --> 02:01:47,679
can give an answer for that and then

3530
02:01:51,669 --> 02:01:48,960
let's say you're at the level of god

3531
02:01:53,030 --> 02:01:51,679
consciousness infinitely conscious

3532
02:01:55,189 --> 02:01:53,040
that'll be a different totally different

3533
02:01:57,109 --> 02:01:55,199
answer so first i'll start with the god

3534
02:01:59,350 --> 02:01:57,119
consciousness great if you become if you

3535
02:02:01,030 --> 02:01:59,360
become infinitely conscious

3536
02:02:02,709 --> 02:02:01,040
what you will realize

3537
02:02:06,470 --> 02:02:02,719
is that

3538
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:06,480
what god is god is an infinite mind

3539
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:08,960
it's a mind that is completely free of

3540
02:02:12,310 --> 02:02:11,040
any restrictions upon itself and the

3541
02:02:14,709 --> 02:02:12,320
reason that is is because it's a

3542
02:02:17,030 --> 02:02:14,719
singular mind therefore there is nothing

3543
02:02:19,030 --> 02:02:17,040
that could restrict this mind in any way

3544
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:19,040
because every restriction

3545
02:02:22,709 --> 02:02:21,280
upon this mind would have to be imagined

3546
02:02:25,189 --> 02:02:22,719
in order to exist

3547
02:02:27,030 --> 02:02:25,199
you see the reason god is omnipotent or

3548
02:02:28,709 --> 02:02:27,040
has infinite power

3549
02:02:31,910 --> 02:02:28,719
can literally create anything god can

3550
02:02:34,550 --> 02:02:31,920
imagine an entire planet out of thin air

3551
02:02:36,310 --> 02:02:34,560
requires no energy has no cost no

3552
02:02:38,149 --> 02:02:36,320
physical limitations no logical

3553
02:02:39,589 --> 02:02:38,159
limitations there are absolutely no

3554
02:02:42,070 --> 02:02:39,599
limitations

3555
02:02:43,589 --> 02:02:42,080
and the reason that can be is because

3556
02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:43,599
what would limit god

3557
02:02:47,669 --> 02:02:46,719
i mean like the question is more like

3558
02:02:50,070 --> 02:02:47,679
uh

3559
02:02:51,910 --> 02:02:50,080
how would this infinite mind be limited

3560
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:51,920
what would limit it

3561
02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:52,880
and and then you have to think about

3562
02:02:57,350 --> 02:02:54,880
that and you have to say well something

3563
02:02:58,709 --> 02:02:57,360
outside of itself has to limit it

3564
02:03:00,310 --> 02:02:58,719
but how can there be something outside

3565
02:03:01,589 --> 02:03:00,320
of itself if it's infinite if it's

3566
02:03:04,390 --> 02:03:01,599
infinite there literally can't be

3567
02:03:07,109 --> 02:03:04,400
anything outside of itself therefore

3568
02:03:09,669 --> 02:03:07,119
it has no limits literally any limit it

3569
02:03:11,030 --> 02:03:09,679
has is imagined by itself so god can

3570
02:03:13,830 --> 02:03:11,040
have limits but those limits have to be

3571
02:03:16,149 --> 02:03:13,840
self-imposed through its own imagination

3572
02:03:18,149 --> 02:03:16,159
therefore god has to trick itself

3573
02:03:19,990 --> 02:03:18,159
in order to limit itself

3574
02:03:21,430 --> 02:03:20,000
that's why self-deception is so

3575
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:21,440
important because if god is not

3576
02:03:25,669 --> 02:03:24,080
deceiving itself then it's omnipotent

3577
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:25,679
then it's unlimited

3578
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:27,280
i don't understand that part but do you

3579
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:28,880
mind okay i'll make a note on that

3580
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:30,000
because i would like yeah we can come

3581
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:31,040
back there's a lot more to say about

3582
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:33,280
that limitation implies self-deception

3583
02:03:36,310 --> 02:03:35,440
or is equivalent to

3584
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:36,320
right

3585
02:03:40,830 --> 02:03:39,840
so think about this way

3586
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:40,840
look

3587
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:42,400
if

3588
02:03:45,589 --> 02:03:44,639
imagine imagine you have all imagine you

3589
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:45,599
have

3590
02:03:49,510 --> 02:03:47,440
no limitations whatsoever you can

3591
02:03:50,709 --> 02:03:49,520
literally spawn things into existence by

3592
02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:50,719
thinking them

3593
02:03:55,910 --> 02:03:53,760
a couch a chair whatever you want okay

3594
02:03:57,990 --> 02:03:55,920
so uh imagine if you let's just assume

3595
02:04:00,390 --> 02:03:58,000
you have that power so now ask yourself

3596
02:04:02,550 --> 02:04:00,400
this question

3597
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:02,560
do i have the power

3598
02:04:10,629 --> 02:04:09,189
surrender this power

3599
02:04:12,629 --> 02:04:10,639
if god is all-powerful this least so

3600
02:04:15,189 --> 02:04:12,639
interesting paradox if god if god is

3601
02:04:18,390 --> 02:04:15,199
all-powerful can god create a rock that

3602
02:04:24,870 --> 02:04:21,750
is it possible for god to

3603
02:04:29,830 --> 02:04:27,830
something less than god

3604
02:04:32,709 --> 02:04:29,840
and the answer turns out to be yes

3605
02:04:35,189 --> 02:04:32,719
but only by deceiving himself

3606
02:04:37,350 --> 02:04:35,199
not in actuality but through a deception

3607
02:04:39,830 --> 02:04:37,360
through an illusion so he has to he has

3608
02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:39,840
to fool himself into

3609
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:41,920
thinking that he's not god

3610
02:04:46,149 --> 02:04:44,400
then like for example if he imagines

3611
02:04:48,229 --> 02:04:46,159
that if god did man so how would god

3612
02:04:51,510 --> 02:04:48,239
remove all his powers he would imagine

3613
02:04:53,510 --> 02:04:51,520
that he was a human born on a rock

3614
02:04:56,149 --> 02:04:53,520
circling around the sun

3615
02:04:57,990 --> 02:04:56,159
with logical laws and physical laws

3616
02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:58,000
and pain and pleasure and all these

3617
02:05:02,390 --> 02:04:58,960
things

3618
02:05:04,950 --> 02:05:02,400
to be avoided all these predators and

3619
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:04,960
animals all these dangers

3620
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:07,119
and then you know when he imagines

3621
02:05:11,270 --> 02:05:09,119
himself in this finite body this finite

3622
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:11,280
body is not infinite this finite body

3623
02:05:15,030 --> 02:05:12,800
cannot

3624
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:15,040
do many things this finite body can only

3625
02:05:20,390 --> 02:05:18,000
lift rocks up to a certain

3626
02:05:22,149 --> 02:05:20,400
size you cannot lift a two ton rock with

3627
02:05:24,629 --> 02:05:22,159
your body

3628
02:05:26,790 --> 02:05:24,639
but if you had if you had a bigger body

3629
02:05:29,669 --> 02:05:26,800
you could maybe lift a two ton rock but

3630
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:29,679
then you couldn't lift a 50 ton rock

3631
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:31,280
so see by the fact that you have a

3632
02:05:37,830 --> 02:05:35,599
finite body your powers are limited

3633
02:05:40,470 --> 02:05:37,840
um

3634
02:05:43,510 --> 02:05:40,480
so that's why self-deception

3635
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:43,520
is so crucial so at the highest level

3636
02:05:46,709 --> 02:05:45,360
since you're completely unlimited

3637
02:05:48,229 --> 02:05:46,719
literally

3638
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:48,239
and god is consciousness it's an

3639
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:49,760
infinite intellect

3640
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:52,880
imagine whatever it wants and it is

3641
02:05:56,470 --> 02:05:55,199
using its will to do so so literally god

3642
02:05:59,030 --> 02:05:56,480
can will anything it wants into

3643
02:06:01,189 --> 02:05:59,040
existence but there's a catch

3644
02:06:03,030 --> 02:06:01,199
and the catch is because at that level

3645
02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:03,040
god is completely infinite unlimited

3646
02:06:08,149 --> 02:06:05,840
it's completely selfless

3647
02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:08,159
it has no sense of self

3648
02:06:12,229 --> 02:06:09,760
at all

3649
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:12,239
if it has no sense of self that means it

3650
02:06:16,790 --> 02:06:13,040
has

3651
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:16,800
no capacity to do anything selfish

3652
02:06:21,109 --> 02:06:19,840
this is why god is absolutely good

3653
02:06:22,709 --> 02:06:21,119
it's absolutely good because it's

3654
02:06:26,709 --> 02:06:22,719
absolutely selfless

3655
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:26,719
imagine this imagine if you had all the

3656
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:28,239
power in the universe you could create

3657
02:06:32,629 --> 02:06:30,400
anything

3658
02:06:34,709 --> 02:06:32,639
and you were completely selfless

3659
02:06:36,390 --> 02:06:34,719
what would you create

3660
02:06:38,550 --> 02:06:36,400
imagine if you could will anything into

3661
02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:38,560
existence literally you will it and you

3662
02:06:44,870 --> 02:06:43,199
will get it like if you will to have um

3663
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:44,880
the biggest house in the world you can

3664
02:06:48,709 --> 02:06:47,119
have it if you will to have

3665
02:06:50,229 --> 02:06:48,719
sex with whoever you want you can have

3666
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:50,239
it if you will to have beautiful

3667
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:53,760
children you can have them instantly

3668
02:06:58,709 --> 02:06:56,320
what would you will for

3669
02:07:01,430 --> 02:06:58,719
i can't i can't imagine what it would be

3670
02:07:03,510 --> 02:07:01,440
like to be completely selfless because

3671
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:03,520
then and and create at the same time

3672
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:05,520
because to create i would have to imply

3673
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:07,840
a bias somewhere and if i'm saying that

3674
02:07:12,709 --> 02:07:09,520
i'm unbiased i don't know how i would

3675
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:12,719
choose a point

3676
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:14,960
so let's say let's imagine that's good

3677
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:16,079
that's good that's what well let's

3678
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:17,840
imagine i said i would create a tree

3679
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:21,199
well why would i create a tree and not a

3680
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:22,639
microphone

3681
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:25,040
okay now okay now keep going keep going

3682
02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:26,960
yeah that's that see

3683
02:07:30,870 --> 02:07:28,960
well you you're about to answer how all

3684
02:07:32,069 --> 02:07:30,880
of creation was created

3685
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:32,079
do you want to know why the entire

3686
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:34,320
universe exists sure

3687
02:07:37,510 --> 02:07:36,159
the entire physical what we think of as

3688
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:37,520
a physical universe or the entire

3689
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:40,560
universe with a capital u as in all that

3690
02:07:42,229 --> 02:07:41,280
yeah

3691
02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:42,239
both

3692
02:07:48,229 --> 02:07:45,679
and okay right right let's hear it or

3693
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:48,239
or even it or even anything

3694
02:07:50,950 --> 02:07:49,760
i would like to know how can anything so

3695
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:50,960
i mean isn't that the ultimate question

3696
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:52,800
that you want to know like i mean if

3697
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:55,840
your toe cannot explain why

3698
02:08:00,149 --> 02:07:57,840
anything exists

3699
02:08:02,149 --> 02:08:00,159
and why it must exist then you really

3700
02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:02,159
haven't answered anything your toe is

3701
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:03,840
not a toe

3702
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:05,040
right

3703
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:06,800
i mean i don't know i don't know about

3704
02:08:10,229 --> 02:08:08,400
that i mean because it depends on the

3705
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:10,239
definition of theory of everything some

3706
02:08:14,629 --> 02:08:12,480
people take it to mean like gravity

3707
02:08:16,149 --> 02:08:14,639
unified with gravity unified with it

3708
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:16,159
well but everything you're trying to

3709
02:08:18,950 --> 02:08:17,840
explain where everything came from right

3710
02:08:21,350 --> 02:08:18,960
you have to explain where everything

3711
02:08:22,629 --> 02:08:21,360
came from yeah yeah yeah the reason why

3712
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:22,639
i'm saying i don't know about that is

3713
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:25,040
because it seems like

3714
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:26,800
there will always be parts of reality

3715
02:08:29,589 --> 02:08:28,000
that

3716
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:29,599
i will not know

3717
02:08:34,470 --> 02:08:31,599
okay that's correct from your point of

3718
02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:34,480
view but now notice what happened now a

3719
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:36,960
possibility has been open in your mind

3720
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:37,760
that

3721
02:08:44,149 --> 02:08:42,310
open your mind to the possibility and

3722
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:44,159
take this possibility seriously that you

3723
02:08:48,709 --> 02:08:46,320
can actually reach a point where you

3724
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:48,719
will know

3725
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:54,870
well that's a secondary question let's

3726
02:08:58,629 --> 02:08:56,560
let's let's just tackle one thing at a

3727
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:58,639
time the reason why i say that briefly

3728
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:59,679
is because

3729
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:01,040
in some

3730
02:09:04,790 --> 02:09:02,880
or many religions as soon as you die

3731
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:04,800
even in a secular

3732
02:09:09,030 --> 02:09:06,800
place a secular religion let's say of

3733
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:09,040
pixar in the movie soul i believe it's

3734
02:09:13,589 --> 02:09:11,440
called soul okay so even in there it

3735
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:13,599
seems like what death is is unity with

3736
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:14,800
god

3737
02:09:17,830 --> 02:09:15,840
well that's

3738
02:09:20,069 --> 02:09:17,840
that's basically correct yeah so in some

3739
02:09:22,229 --> 02:09:20,079
sense when you die you being the self

3740
02:09:23,910 --> 02:09:22,239
when the self dies

3741
02:09:26,069 --> 02:09:23,920
with god and god is all that there is

3742
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:26,079
and god is omniscient and so in some

3743
02:09:28,310 --> 02:09:27,280
sense

3744
02:09:32,629 --> 02:09:28,320
the

3745
02:09:34,550 --> 02:09:32,639
living

3746
02:09:35,669 --> 02:09:34,560
being as far as i can conceptualize what

3747
02:09:37,830 --> 02:09:35,679
a living

3748
02:09:39,589 --> 02:09:37,840
differentiated being is like a self okay

3749
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:39,599
so then you're saying well kurt imagine

3750
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:41,599
you could know everything

3751
02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:44,639
right okay so please continue

3752
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:46,560
well but are you open to the possibility

3753
02:09:50,069 --> 02:09:48,960
that that they're i'm not even imagining

3754
02:09:51,669 --> 02:09:50,079
i'm not asking you to imagine you know

3755
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:51,679
everything i'm just asking you are you

3756
02:09:56,550 --> 02:09:54,159
open to the possibility where you could

3757
02:09:58,229 --> 02:09:56,560
know everything

3758
02:09:59,910 --> 02:09:58,239
yeah is that possible or do you believe

3759
02:10:01,830 --> 02:09:59,920
that's not possible because a lot of a

3760
02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:01,840
lot of scientists and academics and such

3761
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:03,040
they will literally tell you that's not

3762
02:10:09,910 --> 02:10:08,069
well i see it as impossible from certain

3763
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:09,920
perspectives like if you believe

3764
02:10:13,830 --> 02:10:11,760
yourself in the materialist sense to be

3765
02:10:15,189 --> 02:10:13,840
can can you do it can you do it i'm

3766
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:15,199
asking you very personally do you

3767
02:10:18,870 --> 02:10:16,400
believe in your lifetime in this

3768
02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:18,880
lifetime you will do it no

3769
02:10:22,790 --> 02:10:20,880
right now i'd say i believe no

3770
02:10:24,550 --> 02:10:22,800
okay well then notice that if you

3771
02:10:26,790 --> 02:10:24,560
believe that then that just becomes a

3772
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:26,800
self-fulfilling prophecy how can it ever

3773
02:10:29,830 --> 02:10:27,840
happen if you already believe it's

3774
02:10:32,790 --> 02:10:29,840
impossible in the same way that for for

3775
02:10:35,589 --> 02:10:32,800
example if i said

3776
02:10:38,390 --> 02:10:35,599
i believe it's not possible to fast to

3777
02:10:40,950 --> 02:10:38,400
build a vehicle that travels faster than

3778
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:40,960
a hundred thousand miles an hour

3779
02:10:44,470 --> 02:10:42,960
that's it then it's impos literally even

3780
02:10:46,709 --> 02:10:44,480
if it's possible i won't ever build that

3781
02:10:48,470 --> 02:10:46,719
vehicle i don't know about that and the

3782
02:10:50,149 --> 02:10:48,480
reason is that there are plenty of

3783
02:10:52,229 --> 02:10:50,159
surprises that happen

3784
02:10:53,510 --> 02:10:52,239
people surprised themselves all the time

3785
02:10:55,350 --> 02:10:53,520
they thought oh i never thought i could

3786
02:10:56,950 --> 02:10:55,360
run a marathon and then i did

3787
02:10:58,069 --> 02:10:56,960
or i never thought i could do so-and-so

3788
02:10:59,830 --> 02:10:58,079
and then i did or i never thought

3789
02:11:01,109 --> 02:10:59,840
so-and-so was possible but then it was

3790
02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:01,119
well they have to change their mind of

3791
02:11:07,109 --> 02:11:05,990
i mean

3792
02:11:08,709 --> 02:11:07,119
um

3793
02:11:10,470 --> 02:11:08,719
you you see the problem here is that's

3794
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:10,480
what you're saying while you believe

3795
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:12,719
it's not possible it's

3796
02:11:15,350 --> 02:11:13,840
from your point of view it's not

3797
02:11:15,990 --> 02:11:15,360
possible because as soon as you believed

3798
02:11:17,990 --> 02:11:16,000
it

3799
02:11:21,109 --> 02:11:18,000
in the examples that i just gave you

3800
02:11:23,030 --> 02:11:21,119
changed your mind so no longer so with a

3801
02:11:24,950 --> 02:11:23,040
correct statement that i said sorry to

3802
02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:24,960
amend my statement more specifically it

3803
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:26,000
would be that

3804
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:27,520
previously you believed it was not

3805
02:11:31,430 --> 02:11:29,520
possible after a certain point

3806
02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:31,440
let's say with your eyes you saw

3807
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:33,520
you saw a platypus and you never thought

3808
02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:34,960
mammals could be like that you've

3809
02:11:40,950 --> 02:11:37,360
changed your beliefs

3810
02:11:43,510 --> 02:11:40,960
yeah yeah okay and also and also notice

3811
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:43,520
um usually to verify something like that

3812
02:11:46,790 --> 02:11:45,119
or to change your mind requires an

3813
02:11:49,189 --> 02:11:46,800
investment a significant investment of

3814
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:49,199
resources so for example let's say we

3815
02:11:53,270 --> 02:11:50,880
were talking about a skeptic

3816
02:11:54,870 --> 02:11:53,280
who never lived in australia and we were

3817
02:11:55,830 --> 02:11:54,880
trying to tell him that a platypus

3818
02:11:58,149 --> 02:11:55,840
exists there's such a thing as a

3819
02:11:59,669 --> 02:11:58,159
platypus and he says no there isn't

3820
02:12:01,189 --> 02:11:59,679
prove it to me and we show him

3821
02:12:02,390 --> 02:12:01,199
photographs and videos and he says no

3822
02:12:04,149 --> 02:12:02,400
those are just doctors you just

3823
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:04,159
photoshopped those that's like you took

3824
02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:06,560
a duck's head and you put it on a beaver

3825
02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:08,480
and that this stupid photoshop obviously

3826
02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:10,000
it's photoshopped and we show up a video

3827
02:12:13,030 --> 02:12:11,440
and he says ah well they have deep fake

3828
02:12:15,510 --> 02:12:13,040
videos of anything nowadays he said

3829
02:12:17,669 --> 02:12:15,520
that's a 3d generated you know computer

3830
02:12:19,589 --> 02:12:17,679
generated thing you know they i've seen

3831
02:12:21,189 --> 02:12:19,599
jurassic park they can make dinosaurs i

3832
02:12:23,270 --> 02:12:21,199
mean they've made monsters in movies so

3833
02:12:25,589 --> 02:12:23,280
of course platypus you could make that

3834
02:12:28,149 --> 02:12:25,599
into a video but it doesn't really exist

3835
02:12:29,830 --> 02:12:28,159
and we say okay but are you open to a

3836
02:12:31,750 --> 02:12:29,840
platypus existing

3837
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:31,760
and he says no it's too ridiculous i'm

3838
02:12:34,950 --> 02:12:33,199
not even open to it it's just

3839
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:34,960
preposterous on its face

3840
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:35,920
well

3841
02:12:41,350 --> 02:12:37,920
we would say okay but are you open to

3842
02:12:43,270 --> 02:12:41,360
actually traveling to australia to

3843
02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:43,280
hunting down this this platypus they

3844
02:12:47,189 --> 02:12:44,880
live there in the rivers in the ponds

3845
02:12:49,990 --> 02:12:47,199
you can find one

3846
02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:50,000
and he says um no why should i travel to

3847
02:12:53,589 --> 02:12:52,000
australia that would be a waste of my

3848
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:53,599
money

3849
02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:55,040
and in a certain sense he's right i mean

3850
02:12:58,709 --> 02:12:56,880
like from his point of view if if this

3851
02:13:00,709 --> 02:12:58,719
is a preposterous thing why invest

3852
02:13:02,390 --> 02:13:00,719
energy into it to chase it down it takes

3853
02:13:03,830 --> 02:13:02,400
a lot of time energy to fly to australia

3854
02:13:05,189 --> 02:13:03,840
go into the ponds and look for this

3855
02:13:07,990 --> 02:13:05,199
platypus

3856
02:13:09,510 --> 02:13:08,000
um he has to be motivated he has to be

3857
02:13:13,109 --> 02:13:09,520
motivated

3858
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:13,119
and all science works this way i mean

3859
02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:15,360
look the large hadron collider that they

3860
02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:18,079
built cost like 10 billion i don't know

3861
02:13:21,910 --> 02:13:20,320
10 billion or something to build all of

3862
02:13:24,310 --> 02:13:21,920
that was done to try to prove the

3863
02:13:26,709 --> 02:13:24,320
existence of some hypothetical higgs

3864
02:13:29,430 --> 02:13:26,719
boson particle that may or may not have

3865
02:13:32,069 --> 02:13:29,440
existed that's 10 billion

3866
02:13:34,069 --> 02:13:32,079
dollars 10 years of building this thing

3867
02:13:36,629 --> 02:13:34,079
hundreds of scientists involved hundreds

3868
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:36,639
of engineers hundreds of laborers that

3869
02:13:40,229 --> 02:13:38,320
was very risky and there was no

3870
02:13:42,390 --> 02:13:40,239
guarantee that it was going to produce

3871
02:13:45,910 --> 02:13:42,400
any kind of truthful result it could

3872
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:47,669
and so

3873
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:48,960
part of what it means to be a truth

3874
02:13:52,390 --> 02:13:50,239
seeker is that you're willing to

3875
02:13:55,109 --> 02:13:52,400
actually invest energy which is why what

3876
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:55,119
you're doing is so good is because i can

3877
02:13:58,950 --> 02:13:56,639
tell you're preparing for these

3878
02:14:00,390 --> 02:13:58,960
interviews you're researching you're

3879
02:14:01,750 --> 02:14:00,400
reading you're studying videos you're

3880
02:14:04,470 --> 02:14:01,760
being open-minded you're actually

3881
02:14:06,470 --> 02:14:04,480
putting your own ass on the line you're

3882
02:14:08,629 --> 02:14:06,480
losing sleep over this and that's

3883
02:14:10,629 --> 02:14:08,639
exactly what it takes you can't reach

3884
02:14:12,310 --> 02:14:10,639
the truth you can't reach god and love

3885
02:14:14,629 --> 02:14:12,320
and all these things you can't reach the

3886
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:14,639
ultimate toe by just sitting around and

3887
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:16,560
navel gazing and just kind of doing

3888
02:14:25,430 --> 02:14:23,109
because the truth may not be comfortable

3889
02:14:28,069 --> 02:14:25,440
oh that's definitely true man

3890
02:14:30,149 --> 02:14:28,079
if anything it's true that's true

3891
02:14:35,350 --> 02:14:30,159
do you think see i don't think i don't i

3892
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:37,830
to me truth is so not trivial some

3893
02:14:41,589 --> 02:14:40,079
people think of it as simply statements

3894
02:14:44,310 --> 02:14:41,599
that need to be accepted written

3895
02:14:46,790 --> 02:14:44,320
propositions but right

3896
02:14:47,990 --> 02:14:46,800
the truth can be so harsh and so we

3897
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:48,000
gotta talk we gotta talk about two

3898
02:14:50,709 --> 02:14:49,130
levels of truth too

3899
02:14:51,589 --> 02:14:50,719
[Applause]

3900
02:14:54,229 --> 02:14:51,599
but

3901
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:54,239
we get there let me let me finish my my

3902
02:14:57,430 --> 02:14:55,920
thoughts man we have so much to talk

3903
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:57,440
about yeah oh yeah we haven't even

3904
02:15:01,830 --> 02:15:00,400
touched on self-deception limitation

3905
02:15:03,430 --> 02:15:01,840
okay

3906
02:15:05,189 --> 02:15:03,440
for a week yeah um yeah by the way we

3907
02:15:06,709 --> 02:15:05,199
can leave some of these for sure future

3908
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:06,719
time and people who are watching if you

3909
02:15:09,910 --> 02:15:08,560
would like to see a second part please

3910
02:15:12,709 --> 02:15:09,920
let us know

3911
02:15:15,109 --> 02:15:12,719
and and we have um we have still hours

3912
02:15:17,510 --> 02:15:15,119
to talk so we can paste this out

3913
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:17,520
uh anyways but actually let's pause

3914
02:15:20,470 --> 02:15:18,719
right here for a second because i want

3915
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:20,480
to restart my camera just so that we're

3916
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:38,310
oh no i can feel you prepared how

3917
02:15:41,669 --> 02:15:39,430
well first of all i can feel your

3918
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:41,679
authenticity so i can trust your words

3919
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:45,760
to a certain degree but also um

3920
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:48,159
just like i mean it's just obvious from

3921
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:49,679
your work like with chris langan you

3922
02:15:52,550 --> 02:15:51,040
were asking very technical questions

3923
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:52,560
about

3924
02:15:56,629 --> 02:15:54,400
this term and that nerdy term

3925
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:56,639
that he used and so

3926
02:15:59,669 --> 02:15:58,159
just even the f even the fact that you

3927
02:16:02,069 --> 02:15:59,679
care just even the questions you kind of

3928
02:16:03,669 --> 02:16:02,079
ask already show the level of interest

3929
02:16:05,109 --> 02:16:03,679
you have all right let's get just

3930
02:16:07,189 --> 02:16:05,119
obvious if you can remember where you

3931
02:16:09,350 --> 02:16:07,199
were yeah so so yeah i remember exactly

3932
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:09,360
where we were so we were talking about

3933
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:13,510
uh

3934
02:16:16,629 --> 02:16:14,880
oh yeah remember so the question was

3935
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:16,639
like if you were infinitely selfless and

3936
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:18,880
powerful what would you create

3937
02:16:21,990 --> 02:16:21,280
and you and you said i don't really know

3938
02:16:23,830 --> 02:16:22,000
like

3939
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:23,840
why would i create maybe why would i be

3940
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:25,119
biased towards creating a tree or

3941
02:16:28,629 --> 02:16:26,320
something else right that's what you

3942
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:30,629
and then i told you that here now we're

3943
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:32,880
going to answer the origin of all of

3944
02:16:37,589 --> 02:16:35,359
existence right right

3945
02:16:38,709 --> 02:16:37,599
why anything is this okay so here's why

3946
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:38,719
so look

3947
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,800
if you're all powerful

3948
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:42,639
and you're all loving and you're

3949
02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:44,559
completely selfless

3950
02:16:47,030 --> 02:16:45,920
you can and you can create absolutely

3951
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:47,040
anything

3952
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:50,000
just by willing into existence

3953
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:51,679
what you would create and you're

3954
02:16:55,190 --> 02:16:53,120
completely unbiased you're right about

3955
02:17:01,349 --> 02:16:55,200
that you're completely unbiased what you

3956
02:17:06,629 --> 02:17:04,629
every possible form every possible being

3957
02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:06,639
every possible

3958
02:17:15,349 --> 02:17:13,990
and why and why and look but why do you

3959
02:17:18,549 --> 02:17:15,359
do that

3960
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:18,559
so that you can give others

3961
02:17:23,429 --> 02:17:20,479
a sense of

3962
02:17:25,830 --> 02:17:23,439
the beauty and love that you are

3963
02:17:28,469 --> 02:17:25,840
so the entire point of god's creation is

3964
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:28,479
to create finite forms of itself so that

3965
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:30,399
those forms can then reunite back with

3966
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:32,880
itself to realize what it is which is

3967
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:34,559
infinite goodness

3968
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:36,800
so it's an infinite sharing of goodness

3969
02:17:47,910 --> 02:17:43,830
look at what's really going on the

3970
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:49,830
god has infinite goodness but because it

3971
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:51,439
is one it has no one to share the

3972
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:53,040
infinite goodness with who would you

3973
02:17:57,429 --> 02:17:54,880
share it with there's nobody else but

3974
02:18:00,150 --> 02:17:57,439
you so what you do is you deceive

3975
02:18:02,309 --> 02:18:00,160
yourself to create an other who you

3976
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:02,319
could give that gift to the gift of

3977
02:18:07,030 --> 02:18:04,960
yourself of god the highest gift in the

3978
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:07,040
universe is the realization that you are

3979
02:18:09,830 --> 02:18:08,080
god

3980
02:18:13,589 --> 02:18:09,840
but you can't share that gift with

3981
02:18:17,270 --> 02:18:13,599
anybody i can't share that gift with you

3982
02:18:19,429 --> 02:18:17,280
until you realize that you're me

3983
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:19,439
the realization that you're me is the

3984
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:25,669
why does god care about sharing

3985
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:28,800
because embedded in that is the valuing

3986
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:31,439
of sharing it's love

3987
02:18:34,469 --> 02:18:33,120
right why do you why do you love why do

3988
02:18:35,509 --> 02:18:34,479
you give your wife a present on

3989
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:35,519
christmas

3990
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:36,719
you're sh you're

3991
02:18:42,070 --> 02:18:39,280
you are literally sharing you literally

3992
02:18:44,230 --> 02:18:42,080
have chosen to share your life

3993
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:44,240
with your wife

3994
02:18:51,190 --> 02:18:49,190
you're asking me a question about

3995
02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:51,200
motivations i i don't know i could just

3996
02:18:54,950 --> 02:18:53,040
give you a superficial answer like why i

3997
02:18:57,910 --> 02:18:54,960
think not it may not be why i do it but

3998
02:18:59,589 --> 02:18:57,920
why i think i may do it

3999
02:19:03,910 --> 02:18:59,599
i'm not interested in those

4000
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:06,389
it's very simple the answer is love

4001
02:19:10,469 --> 02:19:08,160
all your motivations boil down to

4002
02:19:11,990 --> 02:19:10,479
variations of degrees of love

4003
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:12,000
that are that are filtered through your

4004
02:19:16,629 --> 02:19:14,240
mind let me tell you what occurs to me

4005
02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:16,639
so one we said god is not

4006
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:19,120
self-conscious because there is no self

4007
02:19:27,750 --> 02:19:23,990
right there is no self to god before god

4008
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:27,760
creates a multiplicity it god god is

4009
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:30,319
self god is infinite self

4010
02:19:41,910 --> 02:19:39,270
so is-ness is is prior to

4011
02:19:44,230 --> 02:19:41,920
self-reflection in this case

4012
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:44,240
so god can self-reflect of course god is

4013
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:45,200
not

4014
02:19:49,590 --> 02:19:47,120
but but suffer self-reflection is

4015
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:49,600
already a dualistic uh dynamic you see

4016
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:50,880
because there has to be a self and then

4017
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:52,640
a reflection that you're reflecting off

4018
02:19:56,469 --> 02:19:54,960
of so god is prior to god is just self

4019
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:56,479
infant itself and then it can also

4020
02:19:59,990 --> 02:19:58,560
reflect in infinite ways

4021
02:20:01,590 --> 02:20:00,000
is it okay if i tell you

4022
02:20:02,870 --> 02:20:01,600
just rapid fire some thoughts that occur

4023
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:02,880
to me

4024
02:20:07,429 --> 02:20:05,920
yeah sure so at first it's like god is

4025
02:20:09,750 --> 02:20:07,439
selfless because god doesn't have a

4026
02:20:11,510 --> 02:20:09,760
conception of self okay so then god

4027
02:20:13,670 --> 02:20:11,520
creates infinite

4028
02:20:15,910 --> 02:20:13,680
types of selves but then

4029
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:15,920
and in order to share but then i'm

4030
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:18,080
curious number one why is it in order to

4031
02:20:22,790 --> 02:20:20,800
share like okay well god is made of love

4032
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:22,800
okay but god is not aware of god it's

4033
02:20:26,950 --> 02:20:23,840
it's a

4034
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:26,960
so god is not aware of sharing being a

4035
02:20:37,670 --> 02:20:35,270
uh love is so love is is such a

4036
02:20:39,230 --> 02:20:37,680
metaphysically profound notion that it's

4037
02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:39,240
prior to i'm a little bit

4038
02:20:43,190 --> 02:20:41,359
anthropomorphizing god here so we have

4039
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:43,200
to be a little bit careful so the notion

4040
02:20:46,790 --> 02:20:45,200
of like god sharing

4041
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:46,800
it makes sense from a human perspective

4042
02:20:50,710 --> 02:20:48,160
from a more from a more like if you want

4043
02:20:53,590 --> 02:20:50,720
to be really strict about it um strictly

4044
02:20:56,150 --> 02:20:53,600
speaking love just is an endless

4045
02:20:58,150 --> 02:20:56,160
flowering of creativity so literally

4046
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:58,160
what god is is creativity it just it

4047
02:21:02,469 --> 02:21:00,319
endlessly creates because that's what

4048
02:21:05,750 --> 02:21:02,479
love is you see there's there's such a

4049
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:05,760
profound unity between goodness love

4050
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:08,640
omnipotence intelligence consciousness

4051
02:21:13,349 --> 02:21:11,760
oneness and creativity that literally

4052
02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:13,359
and love is that

4053
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:15,520
what it means to be infinite love is to

4054
02:21:19,510 --> 02:21:17,680
just spontaneously create everything

4055
02:21:20,710 --> 02:21:19,520
that could possibly exist that's what

4056
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:20,720
love is

4057
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:22,319
it's not just something love does it's

4058
02:21:27,030 --> 02:21:25,359
what love is you can't be love unless

4059
02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:27,040
you're everything

4060
02:21:30,469 --> 02:21:28,479
love is

4061
02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:30,479
everything two thoughts that occur to me

4062
02:21:34,469 --> 02:21:32,160
right now i've always found i'm probably

4063
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:34,479
you the same as when you were when you

4064
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:35,760
would consider yourself to be someone

4065
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:37,359
who was planning to be a scientist i've

4066
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:39,680
always found the multiverse idea and the

4067
02:21:45,429 --> 02:21:42,479
anthropomorph sorry the the universe

4068
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:48,070
i forget the type of

4069
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:49,600
ah i'm forgetting the name of it but

4070
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:50,880
there's a

4071
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:52,399
why are the physical laws the way that

4072
02:21:56,630 --> 02:21:54,399
they are because they're fine-tuned

4073
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:56,640
because there are multiple universes and

4074
02:22:01,429 --> 02:21:59,439
i forget what yeah yeah anthropic is

4075
02:22:03,030 --> 02:22:01,439
that is that the anthropic principle or

4076
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:03,040
something always found those to be

4077
02:22:05,510 --> 02:22:04,000
lacking

4078
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,520
because they they're just they're

4079
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:07,280
non-explanations you're asking well why

4080
02:22:12,469 --> 02:22:09,600
is it so so the answer is because it's

4081
02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:12,479
everything at the same time

4082
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:13,760
okay

4083
02:22:16,389 --> 02:22:15,120
sure i don't know how to i don't know

4084
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:16,399
how to work with that i don't know how

4085
02:22:19,910 --> 02:22:18,160
to use that

4086
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:19,920
well that's okay so that's one thought

4087
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:21,600
one thing like it seems to me to be the

4088
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:23,600
easy way out even if it's true it could

4089
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:25,439
be absolutely like everything you say

4090
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:26,399
could be

4091
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:28,000
100 correct

4092
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:29,439
but i i find it to be somewhat of an

4093
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:33,280
easy way out and then number two

4094
02:22:36,870 --> 02:22:35,200
i it's interesting that creation is so

4095
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:36,880
tied to love

4096
02:22:42,550 --> 02:22:39,200
so love to me is about unifying but

4097
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:42,560
creation to me seems to me to be about

4098
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:44,960
distinction if anything destruction

4099
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:47,120
would be closer to unifying because as

4100
02:22:51,670 --> 02:22:49,680
you destruct as you destroy you reduce

4101
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:51,680
down to zero which is the same but as

4102
02:23:02,150 --> 02:22:59,910
good okay um so now notice the following

4103
02:23:04,150 --> 02:23:02,160
what is creation and destruction

4104
02:23:06,469 --> 02:23:04,160
duality in fact this is a classic

4105
02:23:09,670 --> 02:23:06,479
duality of the yin and the yang

4106
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:09,680
right so god has both aspects um you

4107
02:23:13,110 --> 02:23:11,600
actually what you should notice is that

4108
02:23:15,830 --> 02:23:13,120
you actually you can't create without

4109
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:17,030
because like

4110
02:23:21,030 --> 02:23:18,960
let's say you have one sheet of paper on

4111
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:21,040
which to draw

4112
02:23:23,990 --> 02:23:22,479
you're going to draw some painting like

4113
02:23:26,469 --> 02:23:24,000
let's say you have an etch a sketch you

4114
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:26,479
draw on the etch a sketch

4115
02:23:31,670 --> 02:23:29,200
and then you got your sand painting

4116
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:31,680
but now you want to paint something else

4117
02:23:35,590 --> 02:23:33,760
well you gotta shake the etch a sketch

4118
02:23:37,190 --> 02:23:35,600
destroy all this stuff and then you can

4119
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:37,200
paint some more

4120
02:23:40,950 --> 02:23:39,520
so the two are intimately tied to it i

4121
02:23:42,550 --> 02:23:40,960
mean it's the circle of life if you want

4122
02:23:44,230 --> 02:23:42,560
to think about it that way like you

4123
02:23:46,070 --> 02:23:44,240
can't have it's sort of like you're

4124
02:23:48,150 --> 02:23:46,080
saying well leo isn't life good but

4125
02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:48,160
death bad this is a very naive way of

4126
02:23:51,110 --> 02:23:49,439
thinking about it because if you go and

4127
02:23:52,550 --> 02:23:51,120
actually look at how ecosystems work in

4128
02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:52,560
nature

4129
02:23:56,309 --> 02:23:54,560
you realize quickly that the only reason

4130
02:23:57,429 --> 02:23:56,319
you can have life is because of death

4131
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:57,439
it's because

4132
02:24:01,510 --> 02:23:59,520
the the you know the gazelle died that

4133
02:24:03,670 --> 02:24:01,520
there could be baby lions and because of

4134
02:24:05,030 --> 02:24:03,680
the baby lions uh you know some of them

4135
02:24:06,790 --> 02:24:05,040
die and then because of that there can

4136
02:24:08,230 --> 02:24:06,800
be worms and because of worms there can

4137
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:08,240
be grass and because of grass there can

4138
02:24:10,550 --> 02:24:09,439
be gazelles and because of gazelles

4139
02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:10,560
there can be more baby lines and so it

4140
02:24:15,990 --> 02:24:13,120
goes around in a circle forever

4141
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:16,000
so it's both i see it as being yeah i i

4142
02:24:19,590 --> 02:24:17,840
i i should in the structure give a point

4143
02:24:21,910 --> 02:24:19,600
of view to think of death as evil and

4144
02:24:26,150 --> 02:24:24,230
and then birth as necessarily good but i

4145
02:24:28,309 --> 02:24:26,160
also don't see it as i see it as like in

4146
02:24:29,830 --> 02:24:28,319
our world everything virtually

4147
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:29,840
everything in fact i can't think of a

4148
02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:31,680
counter example everything that we think

4149
02:24:34,950 --> 02:24:33,520
of good is predicated on something that

4150
02:24:36,389 --> 02:24:34,960
we would think of as evil let's say you

4151
02:24:38,790 --> 02:24:36,399
think in those domains already good and

4152
02:24:41,030 --> 02:24:38,800
evil in the sense that well what do you

4153
02:24:42,870 --> 02:24:41,040
think of is good you think that

4154
02:24:44,309 --> 02:24:42,880
to give him an example of buying a gift

4155
02:24:46,710 --> 02:24:44,319
for your wife well how was that gift

4156
02:24:48,950 --> 02:24:46,720
made like it probably was predicated on

4157
02:24:51,349 --> 02:24:48,960
some suffering of some children in some

4158
02:24:53,110 --> 02:24:51,359
faraway land and even if it wasn't there

4159
02:24:55,110 --> 02:24:53,120
well you produce some emissions that

4160
02:24:56,950 --> 02:24:55,120
weren't good for so-and-so creatures and

4161
02:24:58,950 --> 02:24:56,960
in some sense that's evil

4162
02:25:01,510 --> 02:24:58,960
in some sense it's all it's like

4163
02:25:04,790 --> 02:25:01,520
every act every single act me talking is

4164
02:25:05,750 --> 02:25:04,800
destroying some cellular creatures

4165
02:25:07,910 --> 02:25:05,760
exactly

4166
02:25:09,110 --> 02:25:07,920
of course yeah yeah just for you to be

4167
02:25:10,630 --> 02:25:09,120
alive you have to be like killing

4168
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:10,640
viruses and bacteria in your body every

4169
02:25:14,870 --> 02:25:12,880
day privilege yours

4170
02:25:17,670 --> 02:25:14,880
whatever your quote-unquote means right

4171
02:25:20,070 --> 02:25:17,680
over theirs okay i i understand that i

4172
02:25:22,309 --> 02:25:20,080
don't see a metaphysical necessity in

4173
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:22,319
the same way that you do and the reason

4174
02:25:27,110 --> 02:25:23,200
is

4175
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:27,120
i keep going back to math but let's

4176
02:25:31,349 --> 02:25:29,840
imagine the natural numbers before they

4177
02:25:32,630 --> 02:25:31,359
become the natural numbers so you start

4178
02:25:34,389 --> 02:25:32,640
with the empty set and you call that

4179
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:34,399
zero and then you apply a successor

4180
02:25:37,830 --> 02:25:36,000
function you get one you don't destroy

4181
02:25:39,750 --> 02:25:37,840
zero and then you apply a successor

4182
02:25:41,830 --> 02:25:39,760
function you get two while retaining

4183
02:25:43,670 --> 02:25:41,840
zero one and two you apply a successor

4184
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:43,680
function you get zero one two three so

4185
02:25:47,590 --> 02:25:45,600
and that's i would consider to be an act

4186
02:25:52,870 --> 02:25:47,600
of creation but i don't see an act of

4187
02:25:58,230 --> 02:25:54,070
yeah so there's some profound things

4188
02:26:01,030 --> 02:25:59,670
first of all

4189
02:26:03,110 --> 02:26:01,040
all of the creation that we know as

4190
02:26:05,190 --> 02:26:03,120
humans is all finite creation so you're

4191
02:26:06,389 --> 02:26:05,200
really just talking about finitude the

4192
02:26:07,910 --> 02:26:06,399
fact that everything you create is going

4193
02:26:09,429 --> 02:26:07,920
to be finite

4194
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:09,439
it's not going to be infinite

4195
02:26:12,870 --> 02:26:11,520
um and that's right every finite thing

4196
02:26:14,790 --> 02:26:12,880
has limits that's what it means to be

4197
02:26:16,950 --> 02:26:14,800
finite is to have a limit and the only

4198
02:26:18,710 --> 02:26:16,960
unlimited thing is completely indistinct

4199
02:26:20,469 --> 02:26:18,720
so every distinction that you imagine is

4200
02:26:22,309 --> 02:26:20,479
going to be finite for example in your

4201
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:22,319
mind if you're imagining an elephant

4202
02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:24,000
there's an elephant now for you to

4203
02:26:27,429 --> 02:26:25,680
imagine a giraffe you have to let go of

4204
02:26:29,830 --> 02:26:27,439
the element imagine a giraffe

4205
02:26:32,070 --> 02:26:29,840
and so literally for your thoughts to

4206
02:26:34,710 --> 02:26:32,080
work you have to destroy and let go of

4207
02:26:38,550 --> 02:26:34,720
old thoughts

4208
02:26:42,070 --> 02:26:40,550
every finite thing interferes with the

4209
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:42,080
existence so for example here's here's

4210
02:26:50,870 --> 02:26:49,110
let's say you have a coffee table

4211
02:26:53,270 --> 02:26:50,880
for that coffee table to be a coffee

4212
02:26:55,830 --> 02:26:53,280
table it has to not be

4213
02:26:58,469 --> 02:26:55,840
a i get it dining table

4214
02:27:00,389 --> 02:26:58,479
not not be a chair not be a chicken not

4215
02:27:03,030 --> 02:27:00,399
be your wife not be whatever it has to

4216
02:27:04,550 --> 02:27:03,040
be that and by being finite it excludes

4217
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:04,560
all other possibilities that's literally

4218
02:27:08,469 --> 02:27:06,479
what a chair or a coffee table is it's

4219
02:27:10,870 --> 02:27:08,479
the exclusion of every possibility other

4220
02:27:12,389 --> 02:27:10,880
than itself as it is in its finite form

4221
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:12,399
did you happen to watch the interview

4222
02:27:16,230 --> 02:27:13,920
that i had with this guy named anthony

4223
02:27:18,230 --> 02:27:16,240
anthony mativier so he's a memory

4224
02:27:19,670 --> 02:27:18,240
champion he's a memory champion who says

4225
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:19,680
that memory is intimately tied with

4226
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:21,760
consciousness and to me i don't i don't

4227
02:27:25,910 --> 02:27:23,200
okay well to me of course at least

4228
02:27:27,830 --> 02:27:25,920
previous to about a few seconds ago

4229
02:27:29,110 --> 02:27:27,840
i thought that the memory is almost

4230
02:27:31,030 --> 02:27:29,120
irrelevant

4231
02:27:32,950 --> 02:27:31,040
to consciousness but then what you said

4232
02:27:34,790 --> 02:27:32,960
to me right now it reminds me of working

4233
02:27:36,550 --> 02:27:34,800
memory because let's imagine that the

4234
02:27:38,070 --> 02:27:36,560
average person has a working memory of

4235
02:27:39,510 --> 02:27:38,080
seven

4236
02:27:41,270 --> 02:27:39,520
entities

4237
02:27:43,110 --> 02:27:41,280
so for you to imagine something new you

4238
02:27:45,030 --> 02:27:43,120
have to replace one of those seven with

4239
02:27:46,870 --> 02:27:45,040
something else you don't have infinite

4240
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:46,880
working memory in other words but even

4241
02:27:49,990 --> 02:27:48,640
if you did it's still a problem

4242
02:27:51,110 --> 02:27:50,000
do you see imagine you have infinite

4243
02:27:57,429 --> 02:27:51,120
memory

4244
02:28:01,030 --> 02:27:59,750
even if you ima if you if you and you

4245
02:28:02,550 --> 02:28:01,040
let's say every memory is just like a

4246
02:28:04,469 --> 02:28:02,560
slot you have a little box you can put

4247
02:28:05,590 --> 02:28:04,479
an item in even if you put one item into

4248
02:28:07,270 --> 02:28:05,600
that box

4249
02:28:09,349 --> 02:28:07,280
that space has been filled by that item

4250
02:28:12,150 --> 02:28:09,359
and not by some other item

4251
02:28:14,950 --> 02:28:12,160
that's a finite thing you actually um

4252
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:14,960
created a limit when you did that

4253
02:28:17,910 --> 02:28:16,080
because like let's say you could have

4254
02:28:20,230 --> 02:28:17,920
put a frog in your memory or a giraffe

4255
02:28:21,349 --> 02:28:20,240
or an elephant but you only put one not

4256
02:28:22,950 --> 02:28:21,359
all of them

4257
02:28:23,750 --> 02:28:22,960
otherwise you'd have a superposition you

4258
02:28:24,790 --> 02:28:23,760
see

4259
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:24,800
for for

4260
02:28:28,230 --> 02:28:26,080
like if you if you're talking about like

4261
02:28:30,230 --> 02:28:28,240
a quantum memory imagine a memory slot

4262
02:28:32,150 --> 02:28:30,240
where you can stick multiple items into

4263
02:28:33,030 --> 02:28:32,160
the same memory slot over top of

4264
02:28:34,710 --> 02:28:33,040
themselves and then you get a

4265
02:28:36,710 --> 02:28:34,720
superposition and if you put every

4266
02:28:38,790 --> 02:28:36,720
possible item into that memory slot you

4267
02:28:40,389 --> 02:28:38,800
would literally get infinity or

4268
02:28:43,910 --> 02:28:40,399
nothingness in that memory slot because

4269
02:28:45,190 --> 02:28:43,920
it would all superimpose into nothing

4270
02:28:47,030 --> 02:28:45,200
yeah yeah you understand this is

4271
02:28:47,910 --> 02:28:47,040
extremely interesting

4272
02:28:49,750 --> 02:28:47,920
you know

4273
02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:49,760
okay keep going so you can look look

4274
02:28:53,990 --> 02:28:52,000
think about it like this so imagine

4275
02:28:56,550 --> 02:28:54,000
let's take the domain of all animals all

4276
02:28:58,950 --> 02:28:56,560
possible animals that could exist

4277
02:29:03,270 --> 02:29:01,670
um so let's take a giraffe a frog

4278
02:29:05,830 --> 02:29:03,280
elephant and so forth

4279
02:29:07,990 --> 02:29:05,840
what happens what happens if we

4280
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:08,000
if we literally merge a giraffe and an

4281
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:09,920
elephant and a frog and a dinosaur all

4282
02:29:13,670 --> 02:29:11,680
literally into themselves

4283
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:13,680
into a perfect superposition of all

4284
02:29:16,790 --> 02:29:15,439
possible animals what would you have

4285
02:29:19,670 --> 02:29:16,800
what would that

4286
02:29:25,590 --> 02:29:23,510
okay but yeah continue she she she'd be

4287
02:29:29,190 --> 02:29:25,600
in there somewhere is it yeah where are

4288
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:30,630
so what do you think that looks like i'm

4289
02:29:36,150 --> 02:29:32,000
just trying to get you to pick i have no

4290
02:29:37,510 --> 02:29:36,160
clue i imagine it looks like a blur

4291
02:29:40,389 --> 02:29:37,520
well it would it would just be a

4292
02:29:42,710 --> 02:29:40,399
variable it'd be like x right

4293
02:29:46,389 --> 02:29:42,720
but just x the variable

4294
02:29:49,990 --> 02:29:48,309
so like what it what is a variable a

4295
02:29:51,510 --> 02:29:50,000
variable is just it's like a placeholder

4296
02:29:53,590 --> 02:29:51,520
that says that literally anything can go

4297
02:29:54,870 --> 02:29:53,600
in that place we haven't defined it's

4298
02:29:57,190 --> 02:29:54,880
undefined

4299
02:29:58,469 --> 02:29:57,200
but that's literally what nothingness is

4300
02:30:00,550 --> 02:29:58,479
or infinity

4301
02:30:02,150 --> 02:30:00,560
infinity is literally it can be anything

4302
02:30:04,389 --> 02:30:02,160
but we haven't defined what it is yet

4303
02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:04,399
it's undefined and then as soon as we

4304
02:30:10,389 --> 02:30:07,200
define it or draw a distinction

4305
02:30:12,230 --> 02:30:10,399
that becomes whatever we define it to be

4306
02:30:14,790 --> 02:30:12,240
whatever we imagine it to be that's what

4307
02:30:16,630 --> 02:30:14,800
imagination is are there

4308
02:30:18,230 --> 02:30:16,640
like i look i'm gonna ask you a question

4309
02:30:20,790 --> 02:30:18,240
about paradoxes and i imagine you'd say

4310
02:30:22,230 --> 02:30:20,800
well there are paradoxes because

4311
02:30:24,070 --> 02:30:22,240
let's see this is why i call it the easy

4312
02:30:26,150 --> 02:30:24,080
way out and not that that makes it

4313
02:30:27,990 --> 02:30:26,160
untrue i just see it as the easy way out

4314
02:30:29,349 --> 02:30:28,000
and that's maybe the easiest way out is

4315
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:29,359
the truthful path i don't think that's

4316
02:30:33,750 --> 02:30:31,200
necessarily true but it may be true

4317
02:30:35,030 --> 02:30:33,760
there are paradoxes with thinking of the

4318
02:30:37,270 --> 02:30:35,040
universe

4319
02:30:39,190 --> 02:30:37,280
as all that could be because you get

4320
02:30:41,670 --> 02:30:39,200
into paradoxes of sets of all sets and

4321
02:30:42,550 --> 02:30:41,680
so on so for example

4322
02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:42,560
yeah

4323
02:30:46,230 --> 02:30:43,680
of course

4324
02:30:48,469 --> 02:30:46,240
that's that's that's

4325
02:30:50,070 --> 02:30:48,479
that's a feature not a bug

4326
02:30:53,190 --> 02:30:50,080
i think i heard you say that even if

4327
02:30:55,349 --> 02:30:53,200
there are multiverses let's just call it

4328
02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:55,359
capital u universe because you just

4329
02:31:01,270 --> 02:30:57,840
collect them all okay well

4330
02:31:03,670 --> 02:31:01,280
if god can create

4331
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:03,680
everything then i don't see why god

4332
02:31:07,030 --> 02:31:05,840
can't create universes that

4333
02:31:09,429 --> 02:31:07,040
are built

4334
02:31:10,790 --> 02:31:09,439
with properties in them so defined by

4335
02:31:12,710 --> 02:31:10,800
property so what if a universe was

4336
02:31:14,790 --> 02:31:12,720
defined by the property

4337
02:31:15,990 --> 02:31:14,800
so there's a universe it doesn't really

4338
02:31:17,830 --> 02:31:16,000
just let me finish this there's the

4339
02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:17,840
universe out there it can't we can't

4340
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:19,520
imagine it precisely it doesn't look

4341
02:31:22,389 --> 02:31:20,960
like a physical universe but that's fine

4342
02:31:24,389 --> 02:31:22,399
god can do whatever you like this

4343
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:24,399
universe is defined by the property that

4344
02:31:29,190 --> 02:31:27,120
this universe when placed in collection

4345
02:31:31,030 --> 02:31:29,200
with other universes negates those other

4346
02:31:33,190 --> 02:31:31,040
universes

4347
02:31:35,190 --> 02:31:33,200
okay so now we say okay well let's

4348
02:31:37,030 --> 02:31:35,200
collect them all into this big u well

4349
02:31:39,110 --> 02:31:37,040
you've negated some of them now so have

4350
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:39,120
you truly collected all your universes

4351
02:31:48,950 --> 02:31:41,040
can you truly say that there exists

4352
02:31:52,710 --> 02:31:50,790
okay so this this is good this leads us

4353
02:31:54,550 --> 02:31:52,720
to a very profound question that i want

4354
02:31:55,990 --> 02:31:54,560
to kind of guide you through so

4355
02:31:58,309 --> 02:31:56,000
let me ask you this this will indirectly

4356
02:32:00,230 --> 02:31:58,319
answer your question um

4357
02:32:02,630 --> 02:32:00,240
so don't worry so let me ask you this do

4358
02:32:05,349 --> 02:32:02,640
you d are you conscious of why reality

4359
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:05,359
has to be one

4360
02:32:11,349 --> 02:32:09,670
okay so

4361
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:11,359
so let's let's go you want to go through

4362
02:32:16,550 --> 02:32:12,880
an exercise to help you

4363
02:32:18,630 --> 02:32:16,560
to grasp this fire ian okay yeah can we

4364
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:18,640
cuz yeah we got to do a little bit of

4365
02:32:21,670 --> 02:32:20,000
exercise here because this is all just

4366
02:32:29,349 --> 02:32:21,680
mental masturbation

4367
02:32:33,670 --> 02:32:31,830
why must reality be one and not anything

4368
02:32:35,270 --> 02:32:33,680
more than that

4369
02:32:36,830 --> 02:32:35,280
think of reality

4370
02:32:38,870 --> 02:32:36,840
as more than

4371
02:32:41,750 --> 02:32:38,880
one okay

4372
02:32:42,710 --> 02:32:41,760
okay try to do it

4373
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:42,720
okay

4374
02:32:46,870 --> 02:32:44,960
but the notion of reality it has to be

4375
02:32:48,469 --> 02:32:46,880
an elastic notion because everything

4376
02:32:51,030 --> 02:32:48,479
real has to be inside the notion of

4377
02:32:52,389 --> 02:32:51,040
reality right so my question is so

4378
02:32:54,309 --> 02:32:52,399
imagine so let's say you're imagining

4379
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:54,319
two realities right so you have reality

4380
02:33:00,309 --> 02:32:56,080
a and reality b

4381
02:33:02,469 --> 02:33:00,319
yeah next to each other all right so

4382
02:33:05,190 --> 02:33:02,479
is a the real reality or is b the

4383
02:33:06,309 --> 02:33:05,200
reality which one choo choose

4384
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:06,319
choose one are you gonna say both of

4385
02:33:14,309 --> 02:33:12,070
okay so if a and b are both reality

4386
02:33:17,429 --> 02:33:14,319
then

4387
02:33:20,230 --> 02:33:17,439
what's real is that you've got both

4388
02:33:21,750 --> 02:33:20,240
yep and that's reality that's reality

4389
02:33:23,190 --> 02:33:21,760
right so now

4390
02:33:25,190 --> 02:33:23,200
that's one

4391
02:33:27,190 --> 02:33:25,200
so two become one

4392
02:33:30,469 --> 02:33:27,200
by the fact that they're both real

4393
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:30,479
or are you saying one of them's not real

4394
02:33:33,670 --> 02:33:31,520
right

4395
02:33:35,349 --> 02:33:33,680
okay okay so let's say so let's say they

4396
02:33:40,469 --> 02:33:35,359
are both real so then you can you see

4397
02:33:44,550 --> 02:33:42,550
because is the separation between them

4398
02:33:49,190 --> 02:33:44,560
real

4399
02:33:53,110 --> 02:33:49,200
what is the line between them is that

4400
02:33:59,190 --> 02:33:56,070
okay so then so then literally

4401
02:34:01,990 --> 02:33:59,200
this a is literally fused with this b by

4402
02:34:02,950 --> 02:34:02,000
the real line uh-huh it's

4403
02:34:04,469 --> 02:34:02,960
right

4404
02:34:05,590 --> 02:34:04,479
or are you saying they're separated

4405
02:34:06,790 --> 02:34:05,600
let's take the case where they're

4406
02:34:09,590 --> 02:34:06,800
separate let's say

4407
02:34:13,349 --> 02:34:09,600
let's say we have reality a and then b

4408
02:34:16,389 --> 02:34:14,710
well what does it mean to say that b is

4409
02:34:18,790 --> 02:34:16,399
not real it means that there is a line

4410
02:34:20,870 --> 02:34:18,800
between a and b which is separating real

4411
02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:20,880
from under i don't know about that

4412
02:34:25,270 --> 02:34:23,040
right

4413
02:34:26,630 --> 02:34:25,280
well how can a not be

4414
02:34:27,990 --> 02:34:26,640
if there's no line between them then

4415
02:34:29,830 --> 02:34:28,000
isn't ba

4416
02:34:32,710 --> 02:34:29,840
i don't see that as as necessarily being

4417
02:34:34,389 --> 02:34:32,720
the case i i don't know i know this is

4418
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:34,399
said quite frequently but to me these

4419
02:34:38,870 --> 02:34:36,960
are again linguistic tricks like look we

4420
02:34:40,630 --> 02:34:38,880
can't have what's out look like here's a

4421
02:34:42,150 --> 02:34:40,640
couple here's one the universe can't be

4422
02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:42,160
spatially expanding because what is it

4423
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:45,600
expanding into well that doesn't have a

4424
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:47,920
notion of intrinsic geometry or we can't

4425
02:34:51,510 --> 02:34:49,439
have what's infinite like we talked

4426
02:34:53,349 --> 02:34:51,520
about because if you're infinite there's

4427
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:53,359
nothing outside it well obviously you

4428
02:34:58,950 --> 02:34:56,080
can you can cross product two infinities

4429
02:35:01,110 --> 02:34:58,960
okay so there's that i don't see

4430
02:35:03,270 --> 02:35:01,120
that before there to the distinction

4431
02:35:04,870 --> 02:35:03,280
between real and then unreal as having

4432
02:35:06,070 --> 02:35:04,880
some border

4433
02:35:09,110 --> 02:35:06,080
i don't know if the proper

4434
02:35:11,750 --> 02:35:09,120
conceptualization is a border but but

4435
02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:11,760
but but what distinguishes real from

4436
02:35:15,510 --> 02:35:13,600
unreal

4437
02:35:16,550 --> 02:35:15,520
i don't know if i i don't

4438
02:35:18,389 --> 02:35:16,560
well if

4439
02:35:19,990 --> 02:35:18,399
i if you become conscious of it deeply

4440
02:35:20,870 --> 02:35:20,000
you'd have to sit there for years maybe

4441
02:35:22,950 --> 02:35:20,880
yeah or

4442
02:35:24,309 --> 02:35:22,960
you're on meditation until event until

4443
02:35:28,550 --> 02:35:24,319
eventually

4444
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:28,560
to realize that actually there cannot be

4445
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:30,160
a boundary between the real and the

4446
02:35:32,950 --> 02:35:31,520
unreal

4447
02:35:34,469 --> 02:35:32,960
and when that happens that's when your

4448
02:35:36,790 --> 02:35:34,479
mind literally

4449
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:36,800
becomes infinite because you realize

4450
02:35:39,910 --> 02:35:38,240
that

4451
02:35:41,590 --> 02:35:39,920
all of these things there needs to be

4452
02:35:43,110 --> 02:35:41,600
boundaries but you can't have something

4453
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:43,120
you can't have something

4454
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:46,240
real i mean chris langan actually gave a

4455
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:48,640
good explanation of this early in in in

4456
02:35:52,150 --> 02:35:50,240
your episode with him

4457
02:35:54,070 --> 02:35:52,160
is that um

4458
02:35:55,190 --> 02:35:54,080
yeah he basically so the note what you

4459
02:35:57,990 --> 02:35:55,200
need to realize is that the notion of

4460
02:35:59,670 --> 02:35:58,000
reality is an ever elastic notion so

4461
02:36:06,790 --> 02:35:59,680
even if you say something is unreal are

4462
02:36:10,309 --> 02:36:08,950
let's say we have a and b let's forget

4463
02:36:11,830 --> 02:36:10,319
about the the boundary between them

4464
02:36:14,710 --> 02:36:11,840
let's just say we have a and b a is real

4465
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:14,720
b is unreal so is the unreality of b is

4466
02:36:18,950 --> 02:36:16,720
that real

4467
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:18,960
right yeah it is

4468
02:36:22,550 --> 02:36:20,800
that would be the case yeah

4469
02:36:24,710 --> 02:36:22,560
well if it is then it's real then we

4470
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:24,720
have a connection between the two

4471
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:25,680
wow

4472
02:36:29,750 --> 02:36:27,840
right and if it's unreal if it's unreal

4473
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:29,760
then it's nothing there's nothing there

4474
02:36:39,030 --> 02:36:35,429
but by definition exist non-existence

4475
02:36:41,110 --> 02:36:39,040
cannot exist words that have these

4476
02:36:42,950 --> 02:36:41,120
they have that are laden with

4477
02:36:45,590 --> 02:36:42,960
connotations that aren't

4478
02:36:48,550 --> 02:36:45,600
exactly precise and so we can get

4479
02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:48,560
yeah i understand i understand your

4480
02:36:52,790 --> 02:36:50,399
concern there's a connection between the

4481
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:52,800
two i'm not precisely sure it's the same

4482
02:36:58,469 --> 02:36:54,880
connection as in you have a box

4483
02:37:00,370 --> 02:36:58,479
connected by string to another box

4484
02:37:02,389 --> 02:37:00,380
of course it's not the same but um

4485
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:02,399
[Music]

4486
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:04,560
yeah i understand what i'm what i'm

4487
02:37:08,389 --> 02:37:06,319
telling the bottom line i'm telling you

4488
02:37:09,990 --> 02:37:08,399
is that it's more than just word play

4489
02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:10,000
it's some of this stuff might sound like

4490
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:12,240
word games but it's more than that

4491
02:37:16,150 --> 02:37:14,160
it's way more than that

4492
02:37:17,830 --> 02:37:16,160
um

4493
02:37:19,670 --> 02:37:17,840
it's very actually important for you

4494
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:19,680
guys who are trying to build your toes

4495
02:37:23,190 --> 02:37:21,120
to actually have direct consciousness of

4496
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:23,200
the fact that reality cannot be anything

4497
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:27,590
if you think it can if you think you can

4498
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:30,000
have two realities something has those

4499
02:37:33,110 --> 02:37:31,439
two realities have to be within

4500
02:37:34,469 --> 02:37:33,120
something what if they say like i

4501
02:37:36,950 --> 02:37:34,479
understand that

4502
02:37:39,830 --> 02:37:36,960
my reality can't be anything more than

4503
02:37:42,550 --> 02:37:39,840
one in the rupert's

4504
02:37:44,389 --> 02:37:42,560
fiery in sense of where what what the

4505
02:37:45,590 --> 02:37:44,399
question where is the edge of your

4506
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:45,600
awareness

4507
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:47,600
where the as the where does your

4508
02:37:53,030 --> 02:37:50,479
experience end and then and then you say

4509
02:37:55,590 --> 02:37:53,040
well my experience i can't see an edge

4510
02:37:57,590 --> 02:37:55,600
to it whatever edge means i can't see it

4511
02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:57,600
but that doesn't mean that edges don't

4512
02:38:02,150 --> 02:37:59,520
exist it just means that as far as i

4513
02:38:05,590 --> 02:38:02,160
know edges don't exist as far as i can

4514
02:38:07,190 --> 02:38:05,600
even conceptualize right okay now

4515
02:38:08,950 --> 02:38:07,200
right but now what i'm telling you is

4516
02:38:10,389 --> 02:38:08,960
that you're way beyond concept here

4517
02:38:12,950 --> 02:38:10,399
imagine that you can go beyond your

4518
02:38:14,309 --> 02:38:12,960
concepts and that you can actually see

4519
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:14,319
infinitely imagine if you could

4520
02:38:18,389 --> 02:38:16,160
literally see to the outer edges of the

4521
02:38:20,150 --> 02:38:18,399
entire universe you saw everything that

4522
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:20,160
could ever possibly be and you saw it

4523
02:38:23,830 --> 02:38:22,240
all at once now if you could see all

4524
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:23,840
that would there be anything that you

4525
02:38:26,469 --> 02:38:25,040
couldn't see

4526
02:38:30,710 --> 02:38:26,479
well i'll tell you what i can't see is

4527
02:38:34,550 --> 02:38:32,469
what's unseen

4528
02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:34,560
can't be seen i don't know about that i

4529
02:38:38,790 --> 02:38:36,720
i can understand that see we're getting

4530
02:38:41,190 --> 02:38:38,800
this is such a great question like what

4531
02:38:42,469 --> 02:38:41,200
the heck does it mean to exist and i'm

4532
02:38:45,270 --> 02:38:42,479
not going to defend

4533
02:38:47,030 --> 02:38:45,280
a physicalist but i don't even think

4534
02:38:50,790 --> 02:38:47,040
that that holds water because like what

4535
02:38:52,150 --> 02:38:50,800
the heck does it mean to exist but

4536
02:38:55,590 --> 02:38:52,160
and you can't answer that if you

4537
02:38:58,070 --> 02:38:55,600
answered that that would be awakening

4538
02:38:59,270 --> 02:38:58,080
so so there is so a lot of people think

4539
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:59,280
that well well this is just a

4540
02:39:03,110 --> 02:39:00,960
philosophical question no one will ever

4541
02:39:04,870 --> 02:39:03,120
know no that's wrong

4542
02:39:07,990 --> 02:39:04,880
you can definitively know what existence

4543
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:08,000
is i'm conscious of existence

4544
02:39:13,030 --> 02:39:11,680
right now i know exactly what it is

4545
02:39:15,270 --> 02:39:13,040
you can become conscious consciousness

4546
02:39:17,429 --> 02:39:15,280
part of existence i would say that

4547
02:39:19,990 --> 02:39:17,439
now you're saying well kurt hey man

4548
02:39:21,990 --> 02:39:20,000
i'm no i i i i'm not talking about the

4549
02:39:25,349 --> 02:39:22,000
forms of i'm saying existence itself

4550
02:39:26,870 --> 02:39:25,359
what does it mean to exist

4551
02:39:28,070 --> 02:39:26,880
not as a particular thing but just

4552
02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:28,080
existence

4553
02:39:32,230 --> 02:39:29,520
as itself

4554
02:39:33,750 --> 02:39:32,240
what is existence

4555
02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:33,760
right right

4556
02:39:37,030 --> 02:39:35,200
you can become conscious you can you can

4557
02:39:46,150 --> 02:39:37,040
become conscious of that

4558
02:39:48,469 --> 02:39:46,950
so

4559
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:48,479
when that happens you will realize that

4560
02:39:53,030 --> 02:39:49,920
non-existence

4561
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:53,040
isn't a thing at all it's not possible

4562
02:39:56,070 --> 02:39:54,960
only existence is existence is an

4563
02:39:57,830 --> 02:39:56,080
absolute

4564
02:39:59,590 --> 02:39:57,840
see you're thinking that

4565
02:40:02,550 --> 02:39:59,600
some things can exist some things can't

4566
02:40:06,389 --> 02:40:04,790
there can only be existence

4567
02:40:07,670 --> 02:40:06,399
when you're thinking of non-existence

4568
02:40:08,790 --> 02:40:07,680
that's you

4569
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:08,800
imagining

4570
02:40:11,670 --> 02:40:10,000
something that

4571
02:40:13,349 --> 02:40:11,680
it's a concept see what you're doing is

4572
02:40:15,990 --> 02:40:13,359
you're creating a concept of

4573
02:40:17,670 --> 02:40:16,000
non-existence and that exists but as a

4574
02:40:21,190 --> 02:40:17,680
concept and you're not conscious that

4575
02:40:24,389 --> 02:40:21,200
it's a concept rather than existence

4576
02:40:25,910 --> 02:40:24,399
so there's a there's a very sneaky

4577
02:40:28,230 --> 02:40:25,920
game that your mind is playing in order

4578
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:28,240
to keep constructing these imaginary

4579
02:40:33,030 --> 02:40:30,319
concepts like non-existence or something

4580
02:40:34,710 --> 02:40:33,040
beyond the infinite and so forth

4581
02:40:36,389 --> 02:40:34,720
so these are actually self-deceptions

4582
02:40:38,710 --> 02:40:36,399
that you can penetrate through for

4583
02:40:39,830 --> 02:40:38,720
example if you do a meditation practice

4584
02:40:43,030 --> 02:40:39,840
you'll actually notice these are

4585
02:40:43,910 --> 02:40:43,040
thoughts non-existence is a thought

4586
02:40:46,070 --> 02:40:43,920
not

4587
02:40:48,070 --> 02:40:46,080
anything real it's a thought well i mean

4588
02:40:50,550 --> 02:40:48,080
the thought is real but it's a thought

4589
02:40:52,150 --> 02:40:50,560
just a thought

4590
02:40:53,750 --> 02:40:52,160
and

4591
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:53,760
same thing for something beyond infinity

4592
02:40:59,349 --> 02:40:55,840
that's a thought that is not actually

4593
02:41:04,389 --> 02:41:02,230
because look infinity includes thoughts

4594
02:41:06,150 --> 02:41:04,399
of things beyond infinity but that's

4595
02:41:07,349 --> 02:41:06,160
part of infinity

4596
02:41:08,870 --> 02:41:07,359
you're assuming that's not part of

4597
02:41:10,469 --> 02:41:08,880
infinity but it is part of infinity

4598
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:10,479
because infinity is infinite and it's

4599
02:41:14,550 --> 02:41:12,319
endless and it's see it's an ever

4600
02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:14,560
elastic thing whatever you think it's

4601
02:41:18,550 --> 02:41:16,640
not it encompasses and includes that so

4602
02:41:21,590 --> 02:41:18,560
you can't ever defeat it

4603
02:41:23,670 --> 02:41:21,600
i would urge you to change the word

4604
02:41:25,670 --> 02:41:23,680
infinity to all encompassing

4605
02:41:27,510 --> 02:41:25,680
particularly because of what we talked

4606
02:41:32,230 --> 02:41:27,520
about earlier what you truly mean when

4607
02:41:36,070 --> 02:41:34,070
well there's when you when you realize

4608
02:41:37,990 --> 02:41:36,080
that you are infinity you will

4609
02:41:39,750 --> 02:41:38,000
you'll come back and we'll talk and then

4610
02:41:45,590 --> 02:41:39,760
you'll you'll laugh we'll laugh together

4611
02:41:50,550 --> 02:41:47,750
let's let's try this here let's try a

4612
02:41:52,389 --> 02:41:50,560
little exercise here so

4613
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:52,399
look

4614
02:41:55,910 --> 02:41:54,240
the problems with the mind the mind goes

4615
02:41:57,910 --> 02:41:55,920
down all these rabbit intellectual

4616
02:41:59,670 --> 02:41:57,920
rabbit holes forever all this philosophy

4617
02:42:02,150 --> 02:41:59,680
and stuff you're you're lost in a

4618
02:42:05,910 --> 02:42:02,160
labyrinth of thinking so look

4619
02:42:09,030 --> 02:42:07,429
do you realize how profound it is that

4620
02:42:10,790 --> 02:42:09,040
anything at all exists

4621
02:42:12,710 --> 02:42:10,800
are you conscious of that like right now

4622
02:42:14,150 --> 02:42:12,720
try to become like look at your hands

4623
02:42:15,030 --> 02:42:14,160
and try to just be conscious for a

4624
02:42:17,670 --> 02:42:15,040
second

4625
02:42:19,750 --> 02:42:17,680
that it's just it's utterly astounding

4626
02:42:22,309 --> 02:42:19,760
that they exist right now

4627
02:42:24,550 --> 02:42:22,319
like it's astounding and by the way can

4628
02:42:27,510 --> 02:42:24,560
you become conscious at least try that

4629
02:42:30,389 --> 02:42:27,520
these are the hands of god

4630
02:42:32,230 --> 02:42:30,399
so remove your idea that you're a human

4631
02:42:34,150 --> 02:42:32,240
as you're looking at your hands strip

4632
02:42:37,269 --> 02:42:34,160
away the idea that you're a human strip

4633
02:42:39,349 --> 02:42:37,279
away the idea that there's anything

4634
02:42:41,670 --> 02:42:39,359
that these hands are made of atoms so

4635
02:42:43,269 --> 02:42:41,680
remove the idea of atoms

4636
02:42:45,670 --> 02:42:43,279
remove the idea of mathematics remove

4637
02:42:46,710 --> 02:42:45,680
the idea of god and physics as well or

4638
02:42:47,590 --> 02:42:46,720
no

4639
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:47,600
yes

4640
02:42:54,309 --> 02:42:52,319
um

4641
02:42:56,230 --> 02:42:54,319
and throw away the idea that this is a

4642
02:42:58,550 --> 02:42:56,240
lit that these hands are a living being

4643
02:43:00,870 --> 02:42:58,560
part of a living being

4644
02:43:02,150 --> 02:43:00,880
right and just look at these hands as

4645
02:43:03,269 --> 02:43:02,160
though you're seeing them for the first

4646
02:43:05,110 --> 02:43:03,279
time

4647
02:43:06,710 --> 02:43:05,120
they're not even hands i remove the idea

4648
02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:06,720
first time

4649
02:43:11,750 --> 02:43:08,960
or no okay yeah

4650
02:43:13,030 --> 02:43:11,760
okay yeah of course so almost like raw

4651
02:43:14,630 --> 02:43:13,040
sensory experience is what you're trying

4652
02:43:15,590 --> 02:43:14,640
to get me okay

4653
02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:15,600
yeah yeah

4654
02:43:19,429 --> 02:43:17,680
exactly raw sensory experience so now

4655
02:43:20,950 --> 02:43:19,439
what i want you to notice is that so

4656
02:43:23,190 --> 02:43:20,960
here's a definition of what truth is

4657
02:43:24,630 --> 02:43:23,200
this is absolute truth your hands what

4658
02:43:26,150 --> 02:43:24,640
you're what you're conscious of right

4659
02:43:27,510 --> 02:43:26,160
now first of all

4660
02:43:29,349 --> 02:43:27,520
notice that you're conscious of these

4661
02:43:32,070 --> 02:43:29,359
hands these hands are literally

4662
02:43:36,389 --> 02:43:32,080
consciousness

4663
02:43:37,990 --> 02:43:36,399
do not think

4664
02:43:40,150 --> 02:43:38,000
just look at these hands this is

4665
02:43:43,510 --> 02:43:40,160
consciousness

4666
02:43:46,790 --> 02:43:43,520
it seems mysterious that's not a mistake

4667
02:43:51,990 --> 02:43:46,800
it's supposed to be mysterious

4668
02:43:56,309 --> 02:43:54,070
let let it awe you a little bit like

4669
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:56,319
it's awesome that something here exists

4670
02:44:00,710 --> 02:43:59,520
and you're not sure what it is

4671
02:44:02,309 --> 02:44:00,720
you don't know what it is but you know

4672
02:44:05,990 --> 02:44:02,319
it's here

4673
02:44:10,070 --> 02:44:08,070
so these hands are literally

4674
02:44:14,070 --> 02:44:10,080
consciousness

4675
02:44:16,309 --> 02:44:14,080
they are literally existence itself

4676
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:16,319
they are literally absolute they

4677
02:44:20,080 --> 02:44:28,070
they cannot not exist they're right here

4678
02:44:31,510 --> 02:44:29,510
they are not a function of any kind of

4679
02:44:36,870 --> 02:44:31,520
brain or neurons or anything else

4680
02:44:36,880 --> 02:44:42,710
and these hands are literally

4681
02:44:58,469 --> 02:44:44,469
infinity

4682
02:45:02,230 --> 02:45:01,349
you are literally the universe

4683
02:45:03,910 --> 02:45:02,240
being

4684
02:45:07,269 --> 02:45:03,920
itself

4685
02:45:08,950 --> 02:45:07,279
the universe is these hands

4686
02:45:11,269 --> 02:45:08,960
the universe is not some bubble out

4687
02:45:13,590 --> 02:45:11,279
there somewhere beyond the stars the

4688
02:45:16,950 --> 02:45:13,600
universe is these hands that's what the

4689
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:21,990
in this particular moment

4690
02:45:30,389 --> 02:45:23,429
it can be other things but this is what

4691
02:45:34,150 --> 02:45:32,469
and there is no time these hands exist

4692
02:45:36,309 --> 02:45:34,160
outside of time

4693
02:45:38,150 --> 02:45:36,319
there is no time and there's no space in

4694
02:45:40,150 --> 02:45:38,160
which these hands exist

4695
02:45:43,590 --> 02:45:40,160
this is prior to space you're throwing

4696
02:45:45,269 --> 02:45:43,600
away the ideas of space and time

4697
02:45:51,429 --> 02:45:45,279
and matter there is no matter these

4698
02:45:56,950 --> 02:45:54,230
also these hands are not an experience

4699
02:45:59,990 --> 02:45:56,960
that you are having these hands exist

4700
02:46:02,469 --> 02:46:00,000
prior even to experience

4701
02:46:06,230 --> 02:46:02,479
because experience assumes some sort of

4702
02:46:20,870 --> 02:46:06,240
ego self looking at the hands

4703
02:46:24,790 --> 02:46:22,790
they're absolutely true

4704
02:46:34,630 --> 02:46:24,800
and there's no way they cannot be

4705
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:38,550
it's completely inevitable

4706
02:46:38,560 --> 02:46:43,429
there's no possibility of doubt or error

4707
02:46:47,190 --> 02:46:45,349
when you are this conscious of your

4708
02:46:48,950 --> 02:46:47,200
hands

4709
02:46:51,110 --> 02:46:48,960
you're so conscious

4710
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:51,120
that you're too conscious to have doubt

4711
02:46:55,110 --> 02:46:53,040
because you realize that doubt is just

4712
02:46:58,070 --> 02:46:55,120
thought in your hands they are more

4713
02:46:59,910 --> 02:46:58,080
fundamental than any thought

4714
02:47:03,429 --> 02:46:59,920
notice that your thoughts do not change

4715
02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:05,590
no matter how much you doubt your hand

4716
02:47:11,349 --> 02:47:07,680
your hand will be there prior to all

4717
02:47:21,349 --> 02:47:12,790
you can doubt your hand as much as you

4718
02:47:24,870 --> 02:47:22,469
you can even tell yourself that this

4719
02:47:26,950 --> 02:47:24,880
hand is simulated by some kind of

4720
02:47:28,309 --> 02:47:26,960
computer or whatever and none of that

4721
02:47:30,230 --> 02:47:28,319
matters because

4722
02:47:35,269 --> 02:47:30,240
the absolute truth is that this hand is

4723
02:47:53,269 --> 02:47:36,710
qualia

4724
02:48:45,110 --> 02:47:55,990
and that's all that meditation is

4725
02:48:48,309 --> 02:48:46,630
all right

4726
02:48:52,550 --> 02:48:48,319
okay tell me

4727
02:48:57,349 --> 02:48:54,870
how did that feel

4728
02:49:00,070 --> 02:48:57,359
it's interesting

4729
02:49:10,550 --> 02:49:02,469
i have to

4730
02:49:11,990 --> 02:49:10,560
sure that i'm not talking to myself so

4731
02:49:14,790 --> 02:49:12,000
for example when you said look at your

4732
02:49:17,349 --> 02:49:14,800
hands i imagine at the same time i also

4733
02:49:19,429 --> 02:49:17,359
have to dissolve what a hand is because

4734
02:49:21,349 --> 02:49:19,439
to it to look at my hands implies that

4735
02:49:22,710 --> 02:49:21,359
there's something that's not my hands so

4736
02:49:25,429 --> 02:49:22,720
i was just trying to look at sensory

4737
02:49:29,830 --> 02:49:25,439
experience at the same all just sensory

4738
02:49:37,110 --> 02:49:31,910
yeah that's good yeah it's it you could

4739
02:49:46,389 --> 02:49:41,269
and

4740
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:46,399
you're saying to what other people say

4741
02:49:50,230 --> 02:49:48,720
and you also say what

4742
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:50,240
spurs

4743
02:49:55,110 --> 02:49:52,800
some interesting connections such as the

4744
02:49:57,830 --> 02:49:55,120
relationship between qualia and all that

4745
02:49:59,349 --> 02:49:57,840
there is or absolute truth or god the

4746
02:50:01,349 --> 02:49:59,359
relationship between that because

4747
02:50:02,870 --> 02:50:01,359
there's obvious not obviously but

4748
02:50:04,230 --> 02:50:02,880
there's

4749
02:50:06,630 --> 02:50:04,240
somewhat obviously a relationship

4750
02:50:07,990 --> 02:50:06,640
between consciousness and god and time

4751
02:50:09,990 --> 02:50:08,000
as well which is something else i'm

4752
02:50:14,710 --> 02:50:10,000
exploring i also wonder how much

4753
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:16,469
consciousness does not depend on time

4754
02:50:20,710 --> 02:50:18,880
time is imagined by consciousness but

4755
02:50:22,870 --> 02:50:20,720
but i don't know i know that that's the

4756
02:50:25,030 --> 02:50:22,880
traditional

4757
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:25,040
view but i'm wondering how much

4758
02:50:30,230 --> 02:50:27,520
how intricately it is time

4759
02:50:33,110 --> 02:50:30,240
tied to consciousness now it seems to be

4760
02:50:34,950 --> 02:50:33,120
obviously tied in the sense that people

4761
02:50:38,309 --> 02:50:34,960
like eckhart tolle would say there's the

4762
02:50:42,070 --> 02:50:38,319
now which is somewhat a temporal aspect

4763
02:50:44,230 --> 02:50:42,080
even though it's a temporal no

4764
02:50:46,790 --> 02:50:44,240
no the now what what eckhart tolle means

4765
02:50:48,230 --> 02:50:46,800
by now is he means absolute now this the

4766
02:50:54,309 --> 02:50:48,240
absolute

4767
02:50:55,670 --> 02:50:54,319
so sometimes people think that when i

4768
02:50:58,710 --> 02:50:55,680
talk about absolute truth i'm talking

4769
02:51:00,309 --> 02:50:58,720
about some sort of far-off realm behind

4770
02:51:03,110 --> 02:51:00,319
the curtain of the universe somewhere

4771
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:03,120
behind the scenes no no no this right

4772
02:51:06,550 --> 02:51:04,720
here is absolutely true look at your

4773
02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:06,560
hands this is the easiest way to ground

4774
02:51:09,349 --> 02:51:07,920
yourself in absolute truth is just look

4775
02:51:12,469 --> 02:51:09,359
at your hands

4776
02:51:13,269 --> 02:51:12,479
and realize that they absolutely exist

4777
02:51:15,269 --> 02:51:13,279
and

4778
02:51:17,910 --> 02:51:15,279
same for all of your qualia so what

4779
02:51:19,750 --> 02:51:17,920
ecartoli means by now is this absolute

4780
02:51:21,349 --> 02:51:19,760
moment here it's not in time it's

4781
02:51:23,990 --> 02:51:21,359
actually eternal

4782
02:51:26,469 --> 02:51:24,000
so time is time is an overlay or

4783
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:26,479
projection that universal mind is

4784
02:51:31,510 --> 02:51:30,080
imagining on top of the now

4785
02:51:33,110 --> 02:51:31,520
and it's imagining the past and the

4786
02:51:34,389 --> 02:51:33,120
future the past and future don't really

4787
02:51:35,830 --> 02:51:34,399
exist there

4788
02:51:37,349 --> 02:51:35,840
they exist as

4789
02:51:39,349 --> 02:51:37,359
imaginings they're very powerful

4790
02:51:41,030 --> 02:51:39,359
imaginings they're so powerful that

4791
02:51:43,429 --> 02:51:41,040
right now in your human state of

4792
02:51:46,469 --> 02:51:43,439
consciousness you can't uh

4793
02:51:48,550 --> 02:51:46,479
easily undo them you can't unthink them

4794
02:51:50,389 --> 02:51:48,560
they're they're they're baked into the

4795
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:50,399
state of consciousness you're at so a

4796
02:51:57,510 --> 02:51:52,640
further elaboration upon my worldview as

4797
02:52:01,190 --> 02:51:59,670
my world view is that consciousness is

4798
02:52:03,269 --> 02:52:01,200
all that there is and that everything is

4799
02:52:04,870 --> 02:52:03,279
a state of consciousness so right now

4800
02:52:07,910 --> 02:52:04,880
you're in a state of consciousness a

4801
02:52:10,550 --> 02:52:07,920
particular state that state is curt the

4802
02:52:12,550 --> 02:52:10,560
curt state and also it is the human

4803
02:52:14,469 --> 02:52:12,560
state that's what human consciousness is

4804
02:52:16,790 --> 02:52:14,479
like the way that it is for you

4805
02:52:18,950 --> 02:52:16,800
now this state can change at any time

4806
02:52:20,469 --> 02:52:18,960
and it can change through

4807
02:52:22,150 --> 02:52:20,479
drinking alcohol

4808
02:52:23,349 --> 02:52:22,160
that will produce a state change it can

4809
02:52:25,110 --> 02:52:23,359
change through psychedelics it can

4810
02:52:26,950 --> 02:52:25,120
change through meditation through yoga

4811
02:52:29,349 --> 02:52:26,960
through getting hit in the head with a

4812
02:52:31,030 --> 02:52:29,359
hammer all sorts of ways to change your

4813
02:52:32,150 --> 02:52:31,040
state and that will

4814
02:52:33,510 --> 02:52:32,160
you know change

4815
02:52:35,590 --> 02:52:33,520
change

4816
02:52:37,990 --> 02:52:35,600
how your reality

4817
02:52:40,309 --> 02:52:38,000
flows and behaves and so if that ch if

4818
02:52:42,070 --> 02:52:40,319
that state changes radically enough

4819
02:52:43,750 --> 02:52:42,080
physical reality will literally start to

4820
02:52:45,910 --> 02:52:43,760
melt and collapse which is what happens

4821
02:52:47,349 --> 02:52:45,920
on psychedelics and then people who

4822
02:52:48,790 --> 02:52:47,359
aren't

4823
02:52:50,870 --> 02:52:48,800
who don't have a good foundation they

4824
02:52:52,790 --> 02:52:50,880
start to freak out because they don't

4825
02:52:54,550 --> 02:52:52,800
understand why reality is collapsing

4826
02:52:56,870 --> 02:52:54,560
around them and melting away and the

4827
02:52:58,550 --> 02:52:56,880
reason that it's melting away is because

4828
02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:58,560
the walls of your house are literally

4829
02:53:02,230 --> 02:53:00,080
imaginary

4830
02:53:05,510 --> 02:53:02,240
and here i can further add

4831
02:53:09,510 --> 02:53:05,520
uh my explanation of what imagination is

4832
02:53:11,190 --> 02:53:09,520
so imagination has again two levels

4833
02:53:13,349 --> 02:53:11,200
ordinarily what we call imagination is

4834
02:53:15,269 --> 02:53:13,359
we call the thoughts in our mind images

4835
02:53:16,389 --> 02:53:15,279
in our mind imagination and then when i

4836
02:53:18,389 --> 02:53:16,399
say something like that the walls of

4837
02:53:20,790 --> 02:53:18,399
your house are imaginary

4838
02:53:22,230 --> 02:53:20,800
um a lot of materialists and so forth

4839
02:53:24,710 --> 02:53:22,240
and skeptics

4840
02:53:27,110 --> 02:53:24,720
they they snicker at this and you know

4841
02:53:28,790 --> 02:53:27,120
they they say well if leo if the walls

4842
02:53:31,590 --> 02:53:28,800
of your house are imaginary prove it

4843
02:53:35,269 --> 02:53:31,600
show me why you walking through a wall

4844
02:53:36,389 --> 02:53:35,279
right it's imaginary why can't you do it

4845
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:36,399
well

4846
02:53:40,950 --> 02:53:38,240
i'm not saying something so stupid and

4847
02:53:44,230 --> 02:53:40,960
naive as like

4848
02:53:45,590 --> 02:53:44,240
that your ego mind is believing that

4849
02:53:47,110 --> 02:53:45,600
there are walls around your house and

4850
02:53:48,550 --> 02:53:47,120
then you can just

4851
02:53:51,030 --> 02:53:48,560
drop your beliefs and then walk through

4852
02:53:53,990 --> 02:53:51,040
the walls i'm saying that the actual

4853
02:53:55,910 --> 02:53:54,000
physicality of a wall is imaginary and

4854
02:53:58,070 --> 02:53:55,920
this is not something your ego mind has

4855
02:54:00,630 --> 02:53:58,080
control over

4856
02:54:01,990 --> 02:54:00,640
in this state that you're in

4857
02:54:03,110 --> 02:54:02,000
so

4858
02:54:04,630 --> 02:54:03,120
when you

4859
02:54:06,309 --> 02:54:04,640
bump your head into a wall and it

4860
02:54:08,230 --> 02:54:06,319
doesn't go through like this hand right

4861
02:54:10,550 --> 02:54:08,240
now cannot go through this hand

4862
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:10,560
that doesn't prove the hand is real

4863
02:54:14,630 --> 02:54:13,120
all it proves is that i'm imagining

4864
02:54:19,190 --> 02:54:14,640
physicality

4865
02:54:21,670 --> 02:54:19,200
and a really great way to illustrate

4866
02:54:23,510 --> 02:54:21,680
this is for example in your dreams

4867
02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:23,520
in your dreams let's say you're being

4868
02:54:27,510 --> 02:54:25,439
chased by a serial killer and you're

4869
02:54:28,790 --> 02:54:27,520
running away from the serial killer

4870
02:54:30,550 --> 02:54:28,800
and there's you know you're running

4871
02:54:32,070 --> 02:54:30,560
through your house and then you lock

4872
02:54:35,030 --> 02:54:32,080
yourself in the closet and you lock the

4873
02:54:37,190 --> 02:54:35,040
door

4874
02:54:39,269 --> 02:54:37,200
why are you doing all this in your dream

4875
02:54:41,910 --> 02:54:39,279
isn't it obvious that the walls of your

4876
02:54:44,070 --> 02:54:41,920
closet and your door in your dream are

4877
02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:44,080
just imaginary why wouldn't the serial

4878
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:46,479
killer just

4879
02:54:50,790 --> 02:54:48,800
go through the walls like a ghost

4880
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:50,800
why do you believe you gotta lock that

4881
02:54:54,230 --> 02:54:52,640
door

4882
02:54:56,630 --> 02:54:54,240
because that's what you're dreaming

4883
02:54:58,630 --> 02:54:56,640
you're dreaming a dream and physicality

4884
02:55:01,990 --> 02:54:58,640
is part of the thing you're dreaming

4885
02:55:04,070 --> 02:55:02,000
so within that entire dream you have the

4886
02:55:05,510 --> 02:55:04,080
dream of physicality and there you

4887
02:55:07,030 --> 02:55:05,520
believe for example in a dream you

4888
02:55:08,790 --> 02:55:07,040
believe that you're not going to fall

4889
02:55:11,190 --> 02:55:08,800
through the floor why don't you fall

4890
02:55:13,910 --> 02:55:11,200
through the floor in your dreams

4891
02:55:16,230 --> 02:55:13,920
it's an imaginary floor

4892
02:55:17,910 --> 02:55:16,240
but then again falling through is also

4893
02:55:18,950 --> 02:55:17,920
imaginary

4894
02:55:21,510 --> 02:55:18,960
you see

4895
02:55:23,590 --> 02:55:21,520
just like in a video game why doesn't

4896
02:55:27,670 --> 02:55:23,600
super mario fall through the floor in a

4897
02:55:35,269 --> 02:55:27,680
video game i mean is the floor real

4898
02:55:40,870 --> 02:55:37,429
what if we take super mario in a video

4899
02:55:43,030 --> 02:55:40,880
game and we cut open his skull

4900
02:55:44,710 --> 02:55:43,040
and we see a brain there

4901
02:55:46,070 --> 02:55:44,720
and then we take a hammer and we bash

4902
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:46,080
his brain

4903
02:55:51,429 --> 02:55:48,880
with the hammer

4904
02:55:53,670 --> 02:55:51,439
in the video game

4905
02:55:55,830 --> 02:55:53,680
and then from that we have a rule we

4906
02:55:57,910 --> 02:55:55,840
program a rule that if that happens

4907
02:55:59,830 --> 02:55:57,920
then super mario

4908
02:56:01,349 --> 02:55:59,840
is gonna his body his

4909
02:56:04,790 --> 02:56:01,359
his body's gonna collapse and he's gonna

4910
02:56:09,510 --> 02:56:06,710
right hoffman is wrong by the way about

4911
02:56:11,429 --> 02:56:09,520
important things let's get to that

4912
02:56:13,030 --> 02:56:11,439
let's get to how your views compare in

4913
02:56:14,550 --> 02:56:13,040
contrast to some of the

4914
02:56:16,630 --> 02:56:14,560
important thinkers of our time and even

4915
02:56:18,469 --> 02:56:16,640
some of those some of your water time so

4916
02:56:19,990 --> 02:56:18,479
sure donald hoffman where do you agree

4917
02:56:21,190 --> 02:56:20,000
and disagree

4918
02:56:24,870 --> 02:56:21,200
actually let's just point out where you

4919
02:56:28,389 --> 02:56:26,710
i'm trying to remember yeah i kind of

4920
02:56:31,110 --> 02:56:28,399
need to remember both in order to see

4921
02:56:32,230 --> 02:56:31,120
who again said it's a duality

4922
02:56:34,389 --> 02:56:32,240
you can't have agreement without

4923
02:56:35,590 --> 02:56:34,399
disagreement and vice versa

4924
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:35,600
so um

4925
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:37,600
he's got the right intuition and in fact

4926
02:56:40,950 --> 02:56:38,960
i mean

4927
02:56:42,870 --> 02:56:40,960
i applaud him for taking some of the

4928
02:56:44,469 --> 02:56:42,880
radical stances that he does i want

4929
02:56:46,230 --> 02:56:44,479
scientists taking more radical stances

4930
02:56:47,670 --> 02:56:46,240
with their metaphysics so i like the

4931
02:56:49,670 --> 02:56:47,680
fact that he's sort of adopting this

4932
02:56:51,510 --> 02:56:49,680
idealist and what what not sort of

4933
02:56:53,830 --> 02:56:51,520
metaphysics and

4934
02:56:55,349 --> 02:56:53,840
and he's exploring you know ideas

4935
02:56:56,790 --> 02:56:55,359
outside the material domain and he's

4936
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:56,800
questioning materials this is all really

4937
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:57,680
good

4938
02:57:01,030 --> 02:56:59,680
the problem still for him

4939
02:57:02,950 --> 02:57:01,040
is that even though he meditates a lot

4940
02:57:04,389 --> 02:57:02,960
and so forth he's actually not conscious

4941
02:57:06,790 --> 02:57:04,399
of the absolute

4942
02:57:08,790 --> 02:57:06,800
he's not conscious that qualia or

4943
02:57:11,110 --> 02:57:08,800
experience itself is literally the

4944
02:57:12,469 --> 02:57:11,120
absolute so in his model what he likes

4945
02:57:15,590 --> 02:57:12,479
to say is that it's like a computer

4946
02:57:17,349 --> 02:57:15,600
interface like a gui desktop right this

4947
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:17,359
is the metaphor he uses

4948
02:57:21,670 --> 02:57:19,520
and he says that well you know i've done

4949
02:57:23,429 --> 02:57:21,680
some we we've ran some mathematical

4950
02:57:24,790 --> 02:57:23,439
proofs you know he brings math into this

4951
02:57:26,790 --> 02:57:24,800
we ran some mathematical proofs and

4952
02:57:28,710 --> 02:57:26,800
because you're surviving you know you

4953
02:57:29,830 --> 02:57:28,720
grew through natural selection your body

4954
02:57:31,349 --> 02:57:29,840
grew up through natural selection your

4955
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:31,359
brain evolved through natural selection

4956
02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:33,200
because of this we did some mathematical

4957
02:57:36,389 --> 02:57:35,120
calculations what are the probability

4958
02:57:37,990 --> 02:57:36,399
what is the probability

4959
02:57:40,389 --> 02:57:38,000
that actually the way that your eyes and

4960
02:57:46,070 --> 02:57:40,399
your brain perceives reality is truthful

4961
02:57:50,469 --> 02:57:48,790
he's got it precisely backwards

4962
02:57:51,670 --> 02:57:50,479
he's assuming natural selection and

4963
02:57:53,910 --> 02:57:51,680
evolution all this stuff he's not

4964
02:57:55,910 --> 02:57:53,920
realizing that this is part of the dream

4965
02:57:58,230 --> 02:57:55,920
so anyways um

4966
02:58:00,230 --> 02:57:58,240
he thinks that reality that reality

4967
02:58:02,469 --> 02:58:00,240
somehow there's a truthful reality

4968
02:58:05,190 --> 02:58:02,479
somehow like behind the scenes of the

4969
02:58:08,950 --> 02:58:05,200
gui interface he's not realizing that

4970
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:08,960
the gui interface is reality absolutely

4971
02:58:13,269 --> 02:58:11,840
so what you're seeing right now the

4972
02:58:15,830 --> 02:58:13,279
the possibility that what you're seeing

4973
02:58:19,269 --> 02:58:15,840
right now is absolutely true

4974
02:58:21,429 --> 02:58:19,279
is 100 percent

4975
02:58:23,590 --> 02:58:21,439
literally everything you perceive is one

4976
02:58:28,150 --> 02:58:23,600
hundred percent absolutely true

4977
02:58:31,990 --> 02:58:29,830
also part of this model is that there

4978
02:58:36,550 --> 02:58:32,000
are multiple wait what do you mean that

4979
02:58:40,469 --> 02:58:37,990
otherwise i wouldn't be able to receive

4980
02:58:44,309 --> 02:58:42,469
do you mean sorry let me let me see if

4981
02:58:49,190 --> 02:58:44,319
we'll correct my misunderstanding if

4982
02:58:53,670 --> 02:58:52,550
if i see glasses here on my table

4983
02:58:56,309 --> 02:58:53,680
then

4984
02:58:59,750 --> 02:58:56,319
i see glasses here on my table that's an

4985
02:59:02,389 --> 02:58:59,760
experience experience is reality it's

4986
02:59:04,389 --> 02:59:02,399
i'm not supposed to infer something from

4987
02:59:07,110 --> 02:59:04,399
the glasses about some independent world

4988
02:59:09,269 --> 02:59:07,120
that's giving input into my brain which

4989
02:59:11,910 --> 02:59:09,279
is being translated into a percept yes

4990
02:59:15,429 --> 02:59:11,920
i'm supposed to see this qualia as is

4991
02:59:18,790 --> 02:59:15,439
and take the qualia as evidence of the

4992
02:59:23,190 --> 02:59:18,800
qualia which is what reality is because

4993
02:59:27,030 --> 02:59:25,750
exactly so what needs to so the the

4994
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:27,040
fundamental problem with science and

4995
02:59:30,309 --> 02:59:28,399
with thinking is that it's fundamentally

4996
02:59:31,750 --> 02:59:30,319
indirect it's always

4997
02:59:33,429 --> 02:59:31,760
creating something and then it's looking

4998
02:59:36,150 --> 02:59:33,439
for something else behind that thing

4999
02:59:37,429 --> 02:59:36,160
that justifies it right so like you find

5000
02:59:38,950 --> 02:59:37,439
you find an atom and then you say well

5001
02:59:40,790 --> 02:59:38,960
there's something behind the atom to

5002
02:59:42,230 --> 02:59:40,800
justify the atom and so you go to a

5003
02:59:43,190 --> 02:59:42,240
quark and then you find the quark and

5004
02:59:44,950 --> 02:59:43,200
you say well there must be something

5005
02:59:46,230 --> 02:59:44,960
behind the cork to justify the quark and

5006
02:59:47,190 --> 02:59:46,240
then so you find a string and then you

5007
02:59:48,309 --> 02:59:47,200
say well the string there must be

5008
02:59:49,750 --> 02:59:48,319
something behind a string it must be a

5009
02:59:51,190 --> 02:59:49,760
number and then you just find the number

5010
02:59:52,550 --> 02:59:51,200
and then you say well but a number is

5011
02:59:53,429 --> 02:59:52,560
something in the brain and so there must

5012
02:59:54,870 --> 02:59:53,439
be something in the brain there's a

5013
02:59:56,710 --> 02:59:54,880
neuron and then it goes around in

5014
03:00:00,309 --> 02:59:56,720
circles like this forever and so science

5015
03:00:01,750 --> 03:00:00,319
never actually directly contacts

5016
03:00:03,590 --> 03:00:01,760
being itself

5017
03:00:07,910 --> 03:00:03,600
what's being missed is being would you

5018
03:00:13,030 --> 03:00:10,469
absolutely not productionism is

5019
03:00:14,710 --> 03:00:13,040
impossible

5020
03:00:15,670 --> 03:00:14,720
that's the cheat that's a chief delusion

5021
03:00:18,150 --> 03:00:15,680
of all

5022
03:00:19,830 --> 03:00:18,160
scientific pursuit is the idea that you

5023
03:00:22,309 --> 03:00:19,840
can reduce one thing to another thing

5024
03:00:25,349 --> 03:00:22,319
you can't everything is what it is and

5025
03:00:26,630 --> 03:00:25,359
not something else uh so for example you

5026
03:00:28,950 --> 03:00:26,640
know if you ask a scientist what is the

5027
03:00:32,070 --> 03:00:28,960
color red he will say it's light it's

5028
03:00:35,590 --> 03:00:33,670
uh or it's

5029
03:00:37,910 --> 03:00:35,600
neuronal activity it's a structure of

5030
03:00:39,750 --> 03:00:37,920
neurons it's a network it's information

5031
03:00:42,790 --> 03:00:39,760
no all of that is false

5032
03:00:43,670 --> 03:00:42,800
what it actually is is it's red red is

5033
03:00:45,269 --> 03:00:43,680
red

5034
03:00:46,630 --> 03:00:45,279
you have to bite the bullet see what the

5035
03:00:48,389 --> 03:00:46,640
scientist doesn't understand is that

5036
03:00:50,309 --> 03:00:48,399
it's a what the scientist is doing is

5037
03:00:52,870 --> 03:00:50,319
it's endless game of tale chasing that

5038
03:00:55,110 --> 03:00:52,880
never ends because he's always coming up

5039
03:00:56,870 --> 03:00:55,120
with some new conceptual construction

5040
03:00:57,990 --> 03:00:56,880
for some other thing he's trying to

5041
03:01:00,230 --> 03:00:58,000
describe

5042
03:01:01,590 --> 03:01:00,240
so pick anything in science and there's

5043
03:01:03,190 --> 03:01:01,600
going to be some other thing to describe

5044
03:01:04,309 --> 03:01:03,200
it and then some other thing and some

5045
03:01:06,070 --> 03:01:04,319
other thing and some other thing and

5046
03:01:08,150 --> 03:01:06,080
then you never reach the end and it has

5047
03:01:11,429 --> 03:01:08,160
to be that way because science must

5048
03:01:13,110 --> 03:01:11,439
necessarily avoid the issue of substance

5049
03:01:15,670 --> 03:01:13,120
and being

5050
03:01:18,150 --> 03:01:15,680
because you can't grasp it through a

5051
03:01:19,910 --> 03:01:18,160
conceptual process and science is all

5052
03:01:22,070 --> 03:01:19,920
conceptual process you can't have

5053
03:01:23,670 --> 03:01:22,080
science without concept this is crucial

5054
03:01:25,269 --> 03:01:23,680
to understand for those of you who are

5055
03:01:27,349 --> 03:01:25,279
trying to develop a toe or try to do

5056
03:01:29,190 --> 03:01:27,359
good science

5057
03:01:30,870 --> 03:01:29,200
science is concept like

5058
03:01:32,830 --> 03:01:30,880
grasp this

5059
03:01:38,150 --> 03:01:32,840
no concept no

5060
03:01:42,870 --> 03:01:40,950
you can exist without having concepts

5061
03:01:45,429 --> 03:01:42,880
but you can't have concepts without

5062
03:01:48,150 --> 03:01:45,439
existence

5063
03:01:49,750 --> 03:01:48,160
this is crucial to understand so i

5064
03:01:53,269 --> 03:01:49,760
imagine that what you're saying is being

5065
03:01:54,790 --> 03:01:53,279
is prior to concept however however

5066
03:01:56,150 --> 03:01:54,800
if one was to investigate what the heck

5067
03:01:57,670 --> 03:01:56,160
concept is i'm like well what is the

5068
03:01:58,630 --> 03:01:57,680
concept then you say it's so and so then

5069
03:02:00,790 --> 03:01:58,640
they say well what is that you would

5070
03:02:02,469 --> 03:02:00,800
eventually get down to being so concept

5071
03:02:04,950 --> 03:02:02,479
and being are ultimately the same

5072
03:02:06,230 --> 03:02:04,960
because everything is the same as being

5073
03:02:09,510 --> 03:02:06,240
and which also means everything is the

5074
03:02:14,230 --> 03:02:11,190
because if concept is the same as being

5075
03:02:16,469 --> 03:02:14,240
and everything is the same as being

5076
03:02:18,790 --> 03:02:16,479
it depends on how you frame it you could

5077
03:02:21,190 --> 03:02:18,800
say that way but it's it it gets muddled

5078
03:02:22,710 --> 03:02:21,200
if you say it that way because the the

5079
03:02:24,870 --> 03:02:22,720
think of it like this this brings that

5080
03:02:27,830 --> 03:02:24,880
analogy with the with the lego blocks

5081
03:02:29,110 --> 03:02:27,840
and the two levels so look

5082
03:02:31,349 --> 03:02:29,120
this is really important to understand

5083
03:02:33,269 --> 03:02:31,359
this is so fundamental

5084
03:02:35,349 --> 03:02:33,279
we have lego blocks right

5085
03:02:37,830 --> 03:02:35,359
from these lego blocks we can build a

5086
03:02:39,269 --> 03:02:37,840
castle or any other shape that we want

5087
03:02:40,870 --> 03:02:39,279
there is no limit to what we can build

5088
03:02:42,550 --> 03:02:40,880
with the lego blocks

5089
03:02:44,790 --> 03:02:42,560
within the limit of how lego blocks

5090
03:02:46,389 --> 03:02:44,800
attach to each other right

5091
03:02:49,830 --> 03:02:46,399
so

5092
03:02:52,630 --> 03:02:49,840
if we build a castle out of legos

5093
03:02:54,230 --> 03:02:52,640
the actual blocks we'll call that order

5094
03:02:56,230 --> 03:02:54,240
number one

5095
03:02:57,429 --> 03:02:56,240
that's the baseline order of reality is

5096
03:02:59,590 --> 03:02:57,439
the blocks

5097
03:03:01,269 --> 03:02:59,600
that's the substance and then we have

5098
03:03:04,790 --> 03:03:01,279
order number two which is the shape that

5099
03:03:08,790 --> 03:03:07,190
so in that's order number two so in this

5100
03:03:11,670 --> 03:03:08,800
case all

5101
03:03:14,230 --> 03:03:11,680
concepts and all of science is second

5102
03:03:17,990 --> 03:03:14,240
order it's not first order

5103
03:03:19,750 --> 03:03:18,000
and so is a sand is is a castle made

5104
03:03:21,030 --> 03:03:19,760
is a cat what is castle made up it's yes

5105
03:03:25,349 --> 03:03:21,040
it's made of blocks but it's not the

5106
03:03:29,110 --> 03:03:27,349
you see so this distinction is really

5107
03:03:31,750 --> 03:03:29,120
crucial i'm

5108
03:03:33,910 --> 03:03:31,760
having trouble understanding that if one

5109
03:03:35,750 --> 03:03:33,920
isn't a reductionist what makes the

5110
03:03:38,070 --> 03:03:35,760
second order level

5111
03:03:42,710 --> 03:03:38,080
less important or less fundamental than

5112
03:03:46,710 --> 03:03:44,950
the it's not it's not any less

5113
03:03:50,950 --> 03:03:46,720
fundamental really

5114
03:03:52,230 --> 03:03:50,960
um the problem is that by confusing

5115
03:03:53,830 --> 03:03:52,240
them

5116
03:03:55,269 --> 03:03:53,840
you create self-deception so let me give

5117
03:03:57,190 --> 03:03:55,279
you another example to explain this so

5118
03:03:59,830 --> 03:03:57,200
for example

5119
03:04:01,670 --> 03:03:59,840
santa claus

5120
03:04:03,269 --> 03:04:01,680
is real

5121
03:04:06,150 --> 03:04:03,279
and exists

5122
03:04:11,510 --> 03:04:06,160
as a concept

5123
03:04:13,990 --> 03:04:11,520
now the mistake people make is if they

5124
03:04:16,230 --> 03:04:14,000
like a child is when you say santa claus

5125
03:04:18,070 --> 03:04:16,240
and they think ah santa claus means that

5126
03:04:19,750 --> 03:04:18,080
there's actually a man on a north pole

5127
03:04:21,990 --> 03:04:19,760
that i can go see

5128
03:04:23,910 --> 03:04:22,000
that is a mistake that's not what santa

5129
03:04:25,830 --> 03:04:23,920
claus is santa claus is not a man that

5130
03:04:29,429 --> 03:04:25,840
exists somewhere santa claus is a

5131
03:04:32,790 --> 03:04:29,439
concept a unicorn is a concept

5132
03:04:34,630 --> 03:04:32,800
now a unicorn exists as a concept

5133
03:04:38,950 --> 03:04:34,640
but that doesn't mean you'll find it at

5134
03:04:42,630 --> 03:04:38,960
the at the material level so to speak

5135
03:04:47,670 --> 03:04:45,269
something like a you know hoffman's gui

5136
03:04:51,510 --> 03:04:47,680
interface that exists as a concept

5137
03:04:53,750 --> 03:04:51,520
something behind my hands atoms quarks

5138
03:04:56,950 --> 03:04:53,760
strings these all exist as concepts

5139
03:04:58,550 --> 03:04:56,960
but the hands are here first

5140
03:05:00,710 --> 03:04:58,560
the mistake that scientists make in

5141
03:05:02,469 --> 03:05:00,720
materials make is they think ah well

5142
03:05:04,710 --> 03:05:02,479
strings and atoms those were there

5143
03:05:07,910 --> 03:05:04,720
before the hands but no the hands were

5144
03:05:08,790 --> 03:05:07,920
here first the atoms and strings came

5145
03:05:10,790 --> 03:05:08,800
second

5146
03:05:13,590 --> 03:05:10,800
you look at it look at it like this

5147
03:05:15,429 --> 03:05:13,600
humans had hands before quark before

5148
03:05:17,510 --> 03:05:15,439
there were quarks

5149
03:05:20,150 --> 03:05:17,520
before they invented quarks

5150
03:05:21,510 --> 03:05:20,160
it wasn't the other way around

5151
03:05:23,429 --> 03:05:21,520
but we ignore this i mean it's so

5152
03:05:25,830 --> 03:05:23,439
obvious but we ignore it we invented

5153
03:05:28,389 --> 03:05:25,840
cork quarks are not quarks were invented

5154
03:05:29,990 --> 03:05:28,399
100 years ago human hands have existed

5155
03:05:31,750 --> 03:05:30,000
for thousands of years

5156
03:05:37,590 --> 03:05:31,760
you would you don't like the

5157
03:05:37,600 --> 03:05:42,309
oh we invented that of course

5158
03:05:46,710 --> 03:05:44,550
meaning to say we invented the idea of

5159
03:05:48,309 --> 03:05:46,720
quarks or the concept of quarks however

5160
03:05:52,389 --> 03:05:48,319
what we're trying to

5161
03:05:56,309 --> 03:05:54,630
did that exist that's the whole problem

5162
03:05:58,070 --> 03:05:56,319
is

5163
03:05:59,590 --> 03:05:58,080
that's the whole problem there's a deep

5164
03:06:00,870 --> 03:05:59,600
here

5165
03:06:03,110 --> 03:06:00,880
epistemological problem because of

5166
03:06:04,630 --> 03:06:03,120
representation that's the whole problem

5167
03:06:07,110 --> 03:06:04,640
is because science uses language and

5168
03:06:10,389 --> 03:06:07,120
representation so literally you're stuck

5169
03:06:11,590 --> 03:06:10,399
in some what's called symbolic logic

5170
03:06:12,710 --> 03:06:11,600
symbols

5171
03:06:14,630 --> 03:06:12,720
but you have to break down and

5172
03:06:16,790 --> 03:06:14,640
deconstruct what a symbol is so what is

5173
03:06:17,830 --> 03:06:16,800
a symbol this is extremely profound

5174
03:06:19,110 --> 03:06:17,840
because if you don't understand what a

5175
03:06:20,469 --> 03:06:19,120
symbol is you're going to get all of

5176
03:06:22,150 --> 03:06:20,479
reality wrong

5177
03:06:25,750 --> 03:06:22,160
like most

5178
03:06:31,269 --> 03:06:28,710
what a symbol is is so profound

5179
03:06:32,230 --> 03:06:31,279
look at this a symbol

5180
03:06:39,429 --> 03:06:32,240
is

5181
03:06:39,439 --> 03:06:41,750
yes

5182
03:06:46,309 --> 03:06:43,510
so for example

5183
03:06:47,990 --> 03:06:46,319
the word duck the sound duck

5184
03:06:49,110 --> 03:06:48,000
is not a duck

5185
03:06:50,790 --> 03:06:49,120
why is this

5186
03:06:51,830 --> 03:06:50,800
something that you think academics don't

5187
03:06:53,510 --> 03:06:51,840
understand

5188
03:06:54,870 --> 03:06:53,520
because i don't imagine i could find an

5189
03:06:58,070 --> 03:06:54,880
academic that would think that the

5190
03:06:59,510 --> 03:06:58,080
formula for a quark is the same as a

5191
03:07:03,830 --> 03:06:59,520
quark in fact it takes many quarks to

5192
03:07:08,230 --> 03:07:06,309
well but the whole notion of a quark is

5193
03:07:10,630 --> 03:07:08,240
is not there's no such thing as a quark

5194
03:07:12,790 --> 03:07:10,640
quark is a concept

5195
03:07:15,429 --> 03:07:12,800
see you're imagining that the concept

5196
03:07:17,110 --> 03:07:15,439
quark points to something that's a quark

5197
03:07:18,550 --> 03:07:17,120
that we can't point to which is beyond

5198
03:07:20,389 --> 03:07:18,560
concepts and what i'm telling you is

5199
03:07:23,830 --> 03:07:20,399
that that too is a concept it's a chain

5200
03:07:25,269 --> 03:07:23,840
of concepts leading to nothing

5201
03:07:26,950 --> 03:07:25,279
you're assuming it leads to something

5202
03:07:28,870 --> 03:07:26,960
and i'm telling you what that thing

5203
03:07:30,630 --> 03:07:28,880
you're assuming it leads to is another

5204
03:07:33,510 --> 03:07:30,640
concept it's a concept pointing to a

5205
03:07:42,550 --> 03:07:38,070
yeah i'm saying the royal the royal you

5206
03:07:47,590 --> 03:07:45,110
why can't one also say hey man you're

5207
03:07:53,190 --> 03:07:47,600
assuming there's only mental there's

5208
03:07:56,950 --> 03:07:54,710
i'm not assuming it that's literally

5209
03:07:58,309 --> 03:07:56,960
what's the case what what have tell me

5210
03:08:00,469 --> 03:07:58,319
one thing you've experienced that isn't

5211
03:08:03,030 --> 03:08:00,479
quality please derive that without

5212
03:08:04,870 --> 03:08:03,040
assuming it

5213
03:08:08,630 --> 03:08:04,880
that's not a derivation that's

5214
03:08:11,670 --> 03:08:10,309
no if you're going to claim let's be

5215
03:08:12,710 --> 03:08:11,680
scientific about this if you're going to

5216
03:08:15,110 --> 03:08:12,720
claim that there exists something

5217
03:08:16,950 --> 03:08:15,120
outside of qualia prove it or at least

5218
03:08:18,309 --> 03:08:16,960
even demonstrate one exam i'm not even

5219
03:08:21,269 --> 03:08:18,319
asking you to prove it just demonstrate

5220
03:08:23,429 --> 03:08:21,279
one example point to one example

5221
03:08:25,110 --> 03:08:23,439
because look if if i was if i was

5222
03:08:27,190 --> 03:08:25,120
telling you unicorns existed you would

5223
03:08:28,230 --> 03:08:27,200
tell me to point to one or if i told you

5224
03:08:30,070 --> 03:08:28,240
that uh

5225
03:08:31,670 --> 03:08:30,080
dark energy exists you'd have to you'd

5226
03:08:33,510 --> 03:08:31,680
have to say

5227
03:08:35,510 --> 03:08:33,520
point me some dark energy or some dark

5228
03:08:37,190 --> 03:08:35,520
matter or whatever where is we get back

5229
03:08:38,469 --> 03:08:37,200
to what we were talking about near the

5230
03:08:41,269 --> 03:08:38,479
beginning so it's almost like the

5231
03:08:43,269 --> 03:08:41,279
tautology of saying you're essentially

5232
03:08:45,030 --> 03:08:43,279
asking by saying prove to me so-and-so

5233
03:08:49,910 --> 03:08:45,040
you're essentially asking give me an

5234
03:08:49,920 --> 03:08:53,670
right yeah it's a tautology

5235
03:08:57,750 --> 03:08:54,950
you can eat you can you can either

5236
03:08:59,269 --> 03:08:57,760
assume that's a mistake or it's not

5237
03:09:00,070 --> 03:08:59,279
let's steal man the materialist for a

5238
03:09:02,870 --> 03:09:00,080
bit

5239
03:09:04,230 --> 03:09:02,880
let's imagine on this wall behind okay

5240
03:09:06,230 --> 03:09:04,240
there are some

5241
03:09:07,510 --> 03:09:06,240
buttons and one of these buttons one of

5242
03:09:08,950 --> 03:09:07,520
these ones says pleasure one of these

5243
03:09:11,269 --> 03:09:08,960
buttons says pain one of these buttons

5244
03:09:13,269 --> 03:09:11,279
says tickle or actually laugh one of

5245
03:09:14,790 --> 03:09:13,279
these buttons says

5246
03:09:15,830 --> 03:09:14,800
insight and there's another button that

5247
03:09:17,349 --> 03:09:15,840
says real

5248
03:09:19,990 --> 03:09:17,359
real and you're like well what the heck

5249
03:09:21,750 --> 03:09:20,000
does that do okay so you press pain

5250
03:09:23,510 --> 03:09:21,760
and then the person you hear someone

5251
03:09:24,710 --> 03:09:23,520
scream like your next door neighbor and

5252
03:09:27,110 --> 03:09:24,720
then you're like oh that's interesting

5253
03:09:28,389 --> 03:09:27,120
okay so then you press

5254
03:09:30,469 --> 03:09:28,399
pleasure into

5255
03:09:32,150 --> 03:09:30,479
moan and you get them to come in here

5256
03:09:33,910 --> 03:09:32,160
you're like dude i want to see this so

5257
03:09:35,590 --> 03:09:33,920
they come in and then you're like let me

5258
03:09:37,910 --> 03:09:35,600
press pleasure and pain and then they

5259
03:09:39,590 --> 03:09:37,920
get one of those erotic fixtiation

5260
03:09:41,990 --> 03:09:39,600
orgasms okay you're like oh that's

5261
03:09:43,910 --> 03:09:42,000
interesting and then you press pain and

5262
03:09:45,429 --> 03:09:43,920
the button unreal and then they're like

5263
03:09:47,349 --> 03:09:45,439
oh well i felt pain but i didn't feel

5264
03:09:48,469 --> 03:09:47,359
like that was real

5265
03:09:50,229 --> 03:09:48,479
and you're like oh that's actually

5266
03:09:51,990 --> 03:09:50,239
interesting well that can happen like i

5267
03:09:53,510 --> 03:09:52,000
can see something but you also get a

5268
03:09:55,590 --> 03:09:53,520
sense that it's unreal that's what

5269
03:09:56,950 --> 03:09:55,600
happens sometimes when you learn

5270
03:09:59,590 --> 03:09:56,960
horrible news and you feel like in your

5271
03:10:02,229 --> 03:09:59,600
dream state

5272
03:10:03,590 --> 03:10:02,239
okay so so you get d-ro d-realization is

5273
03:10:05,110 --> 03:10:03,600
another word for that okay so then

5274
03:10:06,950 --> 03:10:05,120
you're like oh there's a d realization

5275
03:10:08,150 --> 03:10:06,960
button which is the same as the unreal

5276
03:10:09,349 --> 03:10:08,160
button but then there's a real button so

5277
03:10:11,429 --> 03:10:09,359
let me press pleasure and real you're

5278
03:10:13,990 --> 03:10:11,439
like oh that was the most real pleasure

5279
03:10:15,990 --> 03:10:14,000
i've ever had okay then then let's

5280
03:10:17,190 --> 03:10:16,000
imagine there's a button that says

5281
03:10:23,349 --> 03:10:17,200
atheist

5282
03:10:25,269 --> 03:10:23,359
get someone who says i feel like

5283
03:10:26,710 --> 03:10:25,279
i have this impression that there is no

5284
03:10:28,950 --> 03:10:26,720
god but i also had the impression that

5285
03:10:30,550 --> 03:10:28,960
that was a false impression

5286
03:10:32,070 --> 03:10:30,560
okay now let's press the button that

5287
03:10:34,469 --> 03:10:32,080
says god

5288
03:10:36,870 --> 03:10:34,479
and unreal and then you you get this

5289
03:10:38,710 --> 03:10:36,880
this is the reverse impression okay now

5290
03:10:41,670 --> 03:10:38,720
how about we press the button that says

5291
03:10:43,030 --> 03:10:41,680
god pleasure

5292
03:10:43,990 --> 03:10:43,040
and

5293
03:10:45,590 --> 03:10:44,000
real

5294
03:10:47,670 --> 03:10:45,600
and then you get this

5295
03:10:50,229 --> 03:10:47,680
sense that all that there is and it's

5296
03:10:51,990 --> 03:10:50,239
real it's absolutely real and it's also

5297
03:10:53,590 --> 03:10:52,000
associated with some pleasure

5298
03:10:55,990 --> 03:10:53,600
okay now let's

5299
03:10:58,870 --> 03:10:56,000
now let's imagine so i'm still manning

5300
03:11:00,950 --> 03:10:58,880
the materialist case okay please emulate

5301
03:11:03,349 --> 03:11:00,960
the materialist

5302
03:11:05,429 --> 03:11:03,359
i imagine you're like okay well

5303
03:11:07,429 --> 03:11:05,439
i am simply pressing these buttons and

5304
03:11:09,349 --> 03:11:07,439
this person is feeling so-and-so now

5305
03:11:10,790 --> 03:11:09,359
let's what happens if i give them this

5306
03:11:12,710 --> 03:11:10,800
psychedelic

5307
03:11:15,110 --> 03:11:12,720
or this meditative experience it's

5308
03:11:16,630 --> 03:11:15,120
almost like a pill meditative experience

5309
03:11:18,550 --> 03:11:16,640
in this example

5310
03:11:20,469 --> 03:11:18,560
it changes their neurons i find that

5311
03:11:22,710 --> 03:11:20,479
their neurons correspond that's pleasure

5312
03:11:23,750 --> 03:11:22,720
oh that that lights up that particular

5313
03:11:27,510 --> 03:11:23,760
pattern

5314
03:11:30,150 --> 03:11:27,520
real unreal okay now what happens if i

5315
03:11:32,469 --> 03:11:30,160
take a psychedelic and i

5316
03:11:34,389 --> 03:11:32,479
and i notice that when the

5317
03:11:36,309 --> 03:11:34,399
now what i see is instead of me pressing

5318
03:11:38,389 --> 03:11:36,319
these buttons i give them a psychedelic

5319
03:11:39,990 --> 03:11:38,399
and i see the buttons light up because

5320
03:11:41,670 --> 03:11:40,000
i'm not pressing i would just see that

5321
03:11:43,429 --> 03:11:41,680
one lit up and it said pleasure after

5322
03:11:47,349 --> 03:11:43,439
their experience of psychedelics they

5323
03:11:49,910 --> 03:11:47,359
say i had a pleasurable experience

5324
03:11:51,910 --> 03:11:49,920
another one pleasure god and real and

5325
03:11:54,950 --> 03:11:51,920
then they say oh i had a feeling of

5326
03:11:57,110 --> 03:11:54,960
profound oneness unity and it was love

5327
03:11:58,710 --> 03:11:57,120
and it was absolutely more real than

5328
03:12:01,590 --> 03:11:58,720
this okay

5329
03:12:03,510 --> 03:12:01,600
then you given the object okay so now

5330
03:12:04,550 --> 03:12:03,520
let's imagine we get to some place in

5331
03:12:06,469 --> 03:12:04,560
the future

5332
03:12:08,630 --> 03:12:06,479
where we're far more sophisticated

5333
03:12:09,830 --> 03:12:08,640
neurochemically and with brain imaging

5334
03:12:12,229 --> 03:12:09,840
and we can see

5335
03:12:13,429 --> 03:12:12,239
that this analogy is more apt than what

5336
03:12:15,190 --> 03:12:13,439
i'm saying

5337
03:12:17,110 --> 03:12:15,200
would you say that someone who's had the

5338
03:12:19,349 --> 03:12:17,120
experience of god realization has had

5339
03:12:20,630 --> 03:12:19,359
that experience

5340
03:12:22,110 --> 03:12:20,640
or

5341
03:12:26,790 --> 03:12:22,120
would you say that it's simply the

5342
03:12:32,070 --> 03:12:28,870
well if i was a materialist i would just

5343
03:12:37,110 --> 03:12:32,080
excuse all that away and say that it all

5344
03:12:40,070 --> 03:12:38,309
you just have to basically you have to

5345
03:12:41,750 --> 03:12:40,080
basically just assume

5346
03:12:44,630 --> 03:12:41,760
you know you basically have to assume

5347
03:12:49,990 --> 03:12:48,070
static structure to a uni to a to a

5348
03:12:52,710 --> 03:12:50,000
static structure to a universe whether

5349
03:12:54,630 --> 03:12:52,720
it's atoms quarks strings numbers

5350
03:12:56,950 --> 03:12:54,640
computers information

5351
03:12:58,389 --> 03:12:56,960
and um and then just everything reduces

5352
03:12:59,750 --> 03:12:58,399
down to that

5353
03:13:01,590 --> 03:12:59,760
and you just kind of keep reducing and

5354
03:13:04,070 --> 03:13:01,600
reducing

5355
03:13:06,550 --> 03:13:04,080
and uh yeah the point that i'm getting

5356
03:13:08,070 --> 03:13:06,560
at is then how do you trust whether or

5357
03:13:10,070 --> 03:13:08,080
not the insights from someone let's say

5358
03:13:12,150 --> 03:13:10,080
they get the opposite the atheist and

5359
03:13:14,389 --> 03:13:12,160
then real and pain

5360
03:13:17,429 --> 03:13:14,399
maybe it could be pleasure right so real

5361
03:13:22,070 --> 03:13:20,469
and that's it but it's secular hate

5362
03:13:24,150 --> 03:13:22,080
and then you're like well you know what

5363
03:13:25,750 --> 03:13:24,160
yeah i don't know if any of that is real

5364
03:13:27,670 --> 03:13:25,760
per se because every single time you

5365
03:13:29,910 --> 03:13:27,680
come back with a report of an experience

5366
03:13:31,990 --> 03:13:29,920
it just corresponds precisely to these

5367
03:13:33,990 --> 03:13:32,000
lights and to these patterns

5368
03:13:36,389 --> 03:13:34,000
okay well i yeah i would just i would

5369
03:13:37,670 --> 03:13:36,399
just ask you or this person with all

5370
03:13:42,389 --> 03:13:37,680
these buttons

5371
03:13:44,150 --> 03:13:42,399
uh is the unreal button real

5372
03:13:45,990 --> 03:13:44,160
you have a button that says unreal is

5373
03:13:47,590 --> 03:13:46,000
that button real i'm gonna pretend i'm

5374
03:13:50,309 --> 03:13:47,600
gonna put on my materialistic hat and

5375
03:13:52,229 --> 03:13:50,319
say hmm i don't know i wouldn't even use

5376
03:13:54,150 --> 03:13:52,239
the words real and unreal all i would

5377
03:13:56,710 --> 03:13:54,160
say there are reports

5378
03:13:59,110 --> 03:13:56,720
of real and unreal of this phenomena

5379
03:14:01,830 --> 03:13:59,120
that people claim to be real right yeah

5380
03:14:03,349 --> 03:14:01,840
so so this is so

5381
03:14:05,590 --> 03:14:03,359
so there's a possibility that what you

5382
03:14:07,830 --> 03:14:05,600
consider unreal

5383
03:14:09,269 --> 03:14:07,840
and real

5384
03:14:10,309 --> 03:14:09,279
uh

5385
03:14:14,070 --> 03:14:10,319
you don't know what you're talking about

5386
03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:20,309
yeah so that's doubt

5387
03:14:22,790 --> 03:14:21,910
yeah so

5388
03:14:25,110 --> 03:14:22,800
um

5389
03:14:27,269 --> 03:14:25,120
but also notice that for your thought

5390
03:14:30,870 --> 03:14:27,279
experiment to work you need that unreal

5391
03:14:33,590 --> 03:14:32,229
so you're actually contradicting

5392
03:14:35,030 --> 03:14:33,600
yourself in your thought experiment

5393
03:14:37,429 --> 03:14:35,040
you're imagining an impossible thought

5394
03:14:40,070 --> 03:14:37,439
experiment because you're imagining

5395
03:14:41,990 --> 03:14:40,080
something unreal and then you're making

5396
03:14:42,870 --> 03:14:42,000
it real so like you're imagining unreal

5397
03:14:47,590 --> 03:14:42,880
pain

5398
03:14:49,510 --> 03:14:47,600
even if even if you say well you know i

5399
03:14:51,670 --> 03:14:49,520
experienced some pain and i it felt like

5400
03:14:53,590 --> 03:14:51,680
i was in a de-realized state yeah but

5401
03:14:55,670 --> 03:14:53,600
that derealized state is still aren't

5402
03:14:56,710 --> 03:14:55,680
you aren't you yourself claiming that

5403
03:14:58,070 --> 03:14:56,720
it's real

5404
03:14:59,190 --> 03:14:58,080
is there a derealized state or not

5405
03:15:01,110 --> 03:14:59,200
because if there isn't then why are you

5406
03:15:03,750 --> 03:15:01,120
talking about it and if there is well

5407
03:15:05,670 --> 03:15:03,760
then there's you're it's real

5408
03:15:08,389 --> 03:15:05,680
it's it's just the problem is the

5409
03:15:09,510 --> 03:15:08,399
confusion you see concepts create this

5410
03:15:11,429 --> 03:15:09,520
multiple

5411
03:15:13,269 --> 03:15:11,439
layers of confusion that's what symbols

5412
03:15:15,110 --> 03:15:13,279
do you know like we start talking about

5413
03:15:17,429 --> 03:15:15,120
a duck and we confuse even though

5414
03:15:19,670 --> 03:15:17,439
logically if you ask a professor like is

5415
03:15:20,950 --> 03:15:19,680
the word duck the same thing as a duck

5416
03:15:23,190 --> 03:15:20,960
he'll say of course not i'm not a

5417
03:15:25,590 --> 03:15:23,200
idiot but then

5418
03:15:27,590 --> 03:15:25,600
in practice he's gonna go playing with

5419
03:15:30,309 --> 03:15:27,600
his math formulas and start talking

5420
03:15:32,710 --> 03:15:30,319
about how reality is mathematical

5421
03:15:35,030 --> 03:15:32,720
but your mathematics are not reality in

5422
03:15:37,510 --> 03:15:35,040
the sense that yes you can you can

5423
03:15:39,030 --> 03:15:37,520
project them onto reality you can do

5424
03:15:40,710 --> 03:15:39,040
mathematics you can conceptualize you

5425
03:15:42,309 --> 03:15:40,720
can talk about ducks but your words

5426
03:15:44,630 --> 03:15:42,319
about ducks are not a duck and

5427
03:15:46,309 --> 03:15:44,640
they never will be

5428
03:15:48,150 --> 03:15:46,319
so you are not allowed to make a leap

5429
03:15:49,429 --> 03:15:48,160
from the fact that like max tegmark for

5430
03:15:50,950 --> 03:15:49,439
example

5431
03:15:53,030 --> 03:15:50,960
makes all sorts of claims about how

5432
03:15:54,469 --> 03:15:53,040
reality is mathematical the only reason

5433
03:15:56,950 --> 03:15:54,479
it's mathematical is because he's

5434
03:15:58,550 --> 03:15:56,960
sitting there and he's so steeped in

5435
03:16:00,630 --> 03:15:58,560
conceptual mathematics that that's how

5436
03:16:01,750 --> 03:16:00,640
he sees the whole world

5437
03:16:03,349 --> 03:16:01,760
when uh

5438
03:16:05,349 --> 03:16:03,359
whatever what all you have is a hammer

5439
03:16:07,750 --> 03:16:05,359
everything looks like a nail

5440
03:16:09,750 --> 03:16:07,760
right and a christian who's who believes

5441
03:16:11,269 --> 03:16:09,760
in christ sees everything as a symbol of

5442
03:16:13,750 --> 03:16:11,279
christ you know he looks at his morning

5443
03:16:15,349 --> 03:16:13,760
toast and he sees christ christ's face

5444
03:16:17,349 --> 03:16:15,359
in the morning toast somebody on my

5445
03:16:20,070 --> 03:16:17,359
forum recently some christian person

5446
03:16:21,510 --> 03:16:20,080
posted up a picture of him um looking up

5447
03:16:23,990 --> 03:16:21,520
at the clouds and he saw the face of

5448
03:16:26,070 --> 03:16:24,000
jesus in the cloud

5449
03:16:28,389 --> 03:16:26,080
that's how a christian thinks

5450
03:16:30,150 --> 03:16:28,399
that's how every mind thinks a physicist

5451
03:16:32,309 --> 03:16:30,160
thinks that reality is mad of

5452
03:16:34,550 --> 03:16:32,319
information or uh

5453
03:16:36,630 --> 03:16:34,560
quarks and a string theorist thinks it's

5454
03:16:39,590 --> 03:16:36,640
made of strings and a mathematician

5455
03:16:41,670 --> 03:16:39,600
thinks man of numbers and then some some

5456
03:16:43,910 --> 03:16:41,680
new age person thinks it's made out of

5457
03:16:45,510 --> 03:16:43,920
energy you know woo energy and somebody

5458
03:16:47,830 --> 03:16:45,520
else thinks mad at something else and

5459
03:16:49,910 --> 03:16:47,840
what i'm telling you is that

5460
03:16:51,750 --> 03:16:49,920
it's all of that all of your

5461
03:16:53,429 --> 03:16:51,760
buttons are imaginary and god is

5462
03:16:55,190 --> 03:16:53,439
imagining all of it and it could imagine

5463
03:16:57,670 --> 03:16:55,200
infinitely more you can keep imagining

5464
03:16:59,750 --> 03:16:57,680
what reality is forever and in fact i'm

5465
03:17:02,630 --> 03:16:59,760
telling you something even deeper

5466
03:17:04,389 --> 03:17:02,640
i'm not just saying that

5467
03:17:05,990 --> 03:17:04,399
imagination is so relative that if you

5468
03:17:07,990 --> 03:17:06,000
imagine it deeply enough it literally

5469
03:17:10,469 --> 03:17:08,000
becomes your reality so for example for

5470
03:17:12,469 --> 03:17:10,479
an atheist literally there is no god for

5471
03:17:13,750 --> 03:17:12,479
an atheist god doesn't exist for an

5472
03:17:15,590 --> 03:17:13,760
atheist

5473
03:17:17,429 --> 03:17:15,600
his reality is that there is no god

5474
03:17:19,030 --> 03:17:17,439
that's what right god is imagining god

5475
03:17:21,110 --> 03:17:19,040
is imagining there is no god

5476
03:17:22,870 --> 03:17:21,120
likewise for example for a materialist a

5477
03:17:24,870 --> 03:17:22,880
materialist literally lives in a

5478
03:17:27,910 --> 03:17:24,880
material reality

5479
03:17:29,830 --> 03:17:27,920
but the difference is is that he thinks

5480
03:17:31,190 --> 03:17:29,840
it will always be that way and what i'm

5481
03:17:33,590 --> 03:17:31,200
saying is that that's just a temporary

5482
03:17:35,670 --> 03:17:33,600
state that can change at any time

5483
03:17:37,510 --> 03:17:35,680
so a materialist assumes that his whole

5484
03:17:39,510 --> 03:17:37,520
life will be material and what i'm

5485
03:17:40,950 --> 03:17:39,520
saying is that well maybe it is now but

5486
03:17:42,309 --> 03:17:40,960
in the future you might change your mind

5487
03:17:43,750 --> 03:17:42,319
or you might take a psychedelic or

5488
03:17:44,950 --> 03:17:43,760
whatever you might have a divine

5489
03:17:46,469 --> 03:17:44,960
mystical experience and then you'll

5490
03:17:49,110 --> 03:17:46,479
realize that oh all of that was just

5491
03:17:51,990 --> 03:17:49,120
imaginary

5492
03:17:52,790 --> 03:17:52,000
and also by the way this explains why

5493
03:17:56,550 --> 03:17:52,800
why

5494
03:17:58,309 --> 03:17:56,560
an epistemology that a lot of people who

5495
03:18:00,070 --> 03:17:58,319
are studying toes don't take seriously

5496
03:18:01,349 --> 03:18:00,080
enough and that is

5497
03:18:03,110 --> 03:18:01,359
why

5498
03:18:04,870 --> 03:18:03,120
are there people all around the world

5499
03:18:06,710 --> 03:18:04,880
throughout every continent and across

5500
03:18:09,190 --> 03:18:06,720
all of human history that believe the

5501
03:18:13,750 --> 03:18:09,200
most ridiculous things as though

5502
03:18:17,190 --> 03:18:15,030
like

5503
03:18:19,830 --> 03:18:17,200
you've got you've got you you you've got

5504
03:18:22,469 --> 03:18:19,840
terrorists you've got uh radicals you've

5505
03:18:24,229 --> 03:18:22,479
got cult leaders you've got uh you've

5506
03:18:26,150 --> 03:18:24,239
got materialists you've got idealists

5507
03:18:28,389 --> 03:18:26,160
you've got philosophers and all of them

5508
03:18:31,429 --> 03:18:28,399
believe that their worldview is the way

5509
03:18:35,670 --> 03:18:33,830
how could and it's not like they're just

5510
03:18:36,870 --> 03:18:35,680
it's not like they're stupid

5511
03:18:38,469 --> 03:18:36,880
we're talking about some of the most

5512
03:18:40,710 --> 03:18:38,479
intelligent people in the world for

5513
03:18:42,630 --> 03:18:40,720
example isaac newton

5514
03:18:44,469 --> 03:18:42,640
believed in god

5515
03:18:47,750 --> 03:18:44,479
so you have to believe that isaac newton

5516
03:18:51,910 --> 03:18:49,190
how do you explain that how could

5517
03:18:53,670 --> 03:18:51,920
someone who was so smart in other ways

5518
03:18:55,349 --> 03:18:53,680
was so stupid in terms of god now i'm

5519
03:18:57,670 --> 03:18:55,359
not citing this as evidence of god i'm

5520
03:18:59,269 --> 03:18:57,680
just saying that as one example because

5521
03:19:01,110 --> 03:18:59,279
because most scientifically-minded

5522
03:19:02,950 --> 03:19:01,120
people will recognize the intelligence

5523
03:19:06,550 --> 03:19:02,960
of isaac newton by the way the majority

5524
03:19:09,349 --> 03:19:06,560
of of world scientists

5525
03:19:11,990 --> 03:19:10,630
right um and there's actually good

5526
03:19:13,830 --> 03:19:12,000
reason for that i'm just saying that

5527
03:19:16,550 --> 03:19:13,840
that like that's something that claimed

5528
03:19:18,309 --> 03:19:16,560
by many but but but anyways right

5529
03:19:19,750 --> 03:19:18,319
but but then right but a suicide bomber

5530
03:19:23,590 --> 03:19:19,760
believes that when he bombs some

5531
03:19:24,950 --> 03:19:23,600
civilians he's going to see allah

5532
03:19:26,550 --> 03:19:24,960
right he really believes that he

5533
03:19:28,790 --> 03:19:26,560
believes it so much he's willing to blow

5534
03:19:31,269 --> 03:19:28,800
himself up like

5535
03:19:32,870 --> 03:19:31,279
fathom for a moment the sincerity of

5536
03:19:35,910 --> 03:19:32,880
that that that's not that's not just a

5537
03:19:39,349 --> 03:19:35,920
belief like that is a that is a

5538
03:19:42,229 --> 03:19:39,359
that is a whole reality like talk about

5539
03:19:44,150 --> 03:19:42,239
uh valtteri you know this is

5540
03:19:47,670 --> 03:19:44,160
uh he's he's living in a different

5541
03:19:50,790 --> 03:19:49,429
why do you think that some people

5542
03:19:55,190 --> 03:19:50,800
believe

5543
03:19:56,550 --> 03:19:55,200
there is no free will let's just why do

5544
03:19:57,910 --> 03:19:56,560
you think that some people believe there

5545
03:19:59,190 --> 03:19:57,920
is free will why do you think that some

5546
03:20:05,750 --> 03:19:59,200
people believe

5547
03:20:08,550 --> 03:20:06,550
well

5548
03:20:10,229 --> 03:20:08,560
we haven't really even talked about ego

5549
03:20:11,990 --> 03:20:10,239
which is a huge we really should have

5550
03:20:14,870 --> 03:20:12,000
started this discussion with ego because

5551
03:20:17,670 --> 03:20:14,880
it all rolls around ego but i mean

5552
03:20:19,990 --> 03:20:17,680
ego is literally

5553
03:20:21,190 --> 03:20:20,000
a state of consciousness which believe

5554
03:20:23,030 --> 03:20:21,200
it's a finite state of consciousness

5555
03:20:25,750 --> 03:20:23,040
which believes it has control over

5556
03:20:27,990 --> 03:20:25,760
reality that's what ego is for ego is

5557
03:20:29,590 --> 03:20:28,000
there as a sort of mediating control

5558
03:20:31,990 --> 03:20:29,600
mechanism

5559
03:20:34,229 --> 03:20:32,000
within your psyche

5560
03:20:36,870 --> 03:20:34,239
it it's like an assemblage point around

5561
03:20:38,710 --> 03:20:36,880
which you can then manipulate reality

5562
03:20:40,950 --> 03:20:38,720
and so that ego of course necessarily

5563
03:20:43,510 --> 03:20:40,960
believes it has control

5564
03:20:45,750 --> 03:20:43,520
it has to because

5565
03:20:49,030 --> 03:20:45,760
it that's what it needs to survive as a

5566
03:20:54,150 --> 03:20:51,510
okay so there's an incentive to believe

5567
03:20:57,429 --> 03:20:55,750
well let me see let me see if i can say

5568
03:21:04,870 --> 03:20:57,439
it some other way that

5569
03:21:09,030 --> 03:21:07,190
in a sense you i'm not necessarily

5570
03:21:12,469 --> 03:21:09,040
saying there isn't any such thing as

5571
03:21:14,550 --> 03:21:12,479
will there actually is so

5572
03:21:16,309 --> 03:21:14,560
there actually is infinite will god has

5573
03:21:17,830 --> 03:21:16,319
infinite will it can will anything it

5574
03:21:20,150 --> 03:21:17,840
wants we didn't really finish this

5575
03:21:21,750 --> 03:21:20,160
discussion from earlier we jumped topics

5576
03:21:24,710 --> 03:21:21,760
but let me let me finish this because

5577
03:21:27,190 --> 03:21:24,720
it's actually very profound so god has

5578
03:21:28,309 --> 03:21:27,200
infinite will but

5579
03:21:29,910 --> 03:21:28,319
god

5580
03:21:32,150 --> 03:21:29,920
allocates all of its will because it's

5581
03:21:33,750 --> 03:21:32,160
completely selfless towards

5582
03:21:35,190 --> 03:21:33,760
the most selfless thing it can do which

5583
03:21:38,150 --> 03:21:35,200
is love

5584
03:21:41,110 --> 03:21:38,160
so in a very twisted paradoxical sense

5585
03:21:43,830 --> 03:21:41,120
god has no choice but to be love god

5586
03:21:45,190 --> 03:21:43,840
cannot use its will for anything but

5587
03:21:47,269 --> 03:21:45,200
love it has to be selfless because

5588
03:21:51,110 --> 03:21:47,279
that's what god is

5589
03:21:52,710 --> 03:21:51,120
in its most highest absolute infinite

5590
03:21:54,630 --> 03:21:52,720
you're using the word will as different

5591
03:22:02,550 --> 03:21:54,640
as distinct from free will is that

5592
03:22:05,429 --> 03:22:03,429
it's going to be very difficult to

5593
03:22:07,349 --> 03:22:05,439
define what will is because you can only

5594
03:22:09,110 --> 03:22:07,359
define it by looking at it

5595
03:22:12,790 --> 03:22:09,120
you have to be conscious of it

5596
03:22:16,790 --> 03:22:15,349
see physical manifestation literally is

5597
03:22:18,790 --> 03:22:16,800
what will is

5598
03:22:20,389 --> 03:22:18,800
will will just like imagination you see

5599
03:22:21,349 --> 03:22:20,399
imagination can occur inside the human

5600
03:22:23,910 --> 03:22:21,359
mind

5601
03:22:25,510 --> 03:22:23,920
as mental images but then imagination is

5602
03:22:26,630 --> 03:22:25,520
also the physical walls of your house

5603
03:22:29,110 --> 03:22:26,640
that's just a deeper layer of

5604
03:22:31,269 --> 03:22:29,120
imagination that your ego has no access

5605
03:22:33,910 --> 03:22:31,279
to likewise with will

5606
03:22:35,510 --> 03:22:33,920
will is uh what you can have in your

5607
03:22:37,510 --> 03:22:35,520
little human mind you have a very little

5608
03:22:40,150 --> 03:22:37,520
bit of will in your human mind

5609
03:22:42,550 --> 03:22:40,160
you can do a little bit and then

5610
03:22:44,229 --> 03:22:42,560
at the absolute level will is literally

5611
03:22:46,309 --> 03:22:44,239
the couch that you're sitting on the

5612
03:22:48,870 --> 03:22:46,319
physical hands that you're looking at

5613
03:22:51,429 --> 03:22:48,880
they are literally will

5614
03:22:54,630 --> 03:22:51,439
precipitated it's god's will

5615
03:22:56,070 --> 03:22:54,640
precipitated as physical form

5616
03:22:58,309 --> 03:22:56,080
so for example

5617
03:23:00,309 --> 03:22:58,319
i have become so conscious that i

5618
03:23:03,429 --> 03:23:00,319
literally became conscious of how i am

5619
03:23:06,150 --> 03:23:03,439
willing my hands into existence

5620
03:23:07,910 --> 03:23:06,160
as i'm looking at them also i've become

5621
03:23:09,190 --> 03:23:07,920
so conscious there's another aspect of

5622
03:23:10,550 --> 03:23:09,200
god we haven't discussed yet there's

5623
03:23:12,950 --> 03:23:10,560
many aspects

5624
03:23:14,790 --> 03:23:12,960
we haven't discussed yet um that i call

5625
03:23:16,469 --> 03:23:14,800
self-design

5626
03:23:18,309 --> 03:23:16,479
it's when you become so conscious of

5627
03:23:21,429 --> 03:23:18,319
yourself as god that you literally

5628
03:23:23,910 --> 03:23:21,439
become conscious that you are using your

5629
03:23:27,030 --> 03:23:23,920
will and infinite intelligence to design

5630
03:23:29,110 --> 03:23:27,040
every hair on your on your arm

5631
03:23:30,550 --> 03:23:29,120
you can look at a single hair and you

5632
03:23:33,990 --> 03:23:30,560
will become conscious of how you

5633
03:23:36,229 --> 03:23:34,000
designed it using your own intellect

5634
03:23:39,269 --> 03:23:36,239
another example is that i i was so

5635
03:23:41,910 --> 03:23:39,279
conscious i became conscious of how

5636
03:23:44,950 --> 03:23:41,920
i wrote every book

5637
03:23:46,229 --> 03:23:44,960
ever written by humans so normally we

5638
03:23:48,229 --> 03:23:46,239
think that other humans are writing

5639
03:23:50,229 --> 03:23:48,239
these books but when you collapse the

5640
03:23:53,030 --> 03:23:50,239
boundary between self and other you will

5641
03:23:54,630 --> 03:23:53,040
actually realize that you personally you

5642
03:23:56,870 --> 03:23:54,640
wrote every book

5643
03:23:59,349 --> 03:23:56,880
on your bookshelf back there

5644
03:24:00,229 --> 03:23:59,359
does time exist in this realm

5645
03:24:02,710 --> 03:24:00,239
no

5646
03:24:04,229 --> 03:24:02,720
this is eternal can you then be

5647
03:24:09,190 --> 03:24:04,239
conscious of something in the future

5648
03:24:12,870 --> 03:24:11,110
future doesn't exist in this realm right

5649
03:24:15,910 --> 03:24:12,880
okay can you be conscious

5650
03:24:18,710 --> 03:24:15,920
it's imaginary like how you said you

5651
03:24:20,150 --> 03:24:18,720
at least for historical books you

5652
03:24:21,670 --> 03:24:20,160
were conscious of the fact that you've

5653
03:24:23,750 --> 03:24:21,680
written them or why you wrote them or

5654
03:24:24,870 --> 03:24:23,760
how you wrote them and i'm wondering if

5655
03:24:27,670 --> 03:24:24,880
the same

5656
03:24:29,269 --> 03:24:27,680
is true about some future event and thus

5657
03:24:30,150 --> 03:24:29,279
you can press edge something write it

5658
03:24:33,030 --> 03:24:30,160
down

5659
03:24:35,190 --> 03:24:33,040
and verify that this was indeed

5660
03:24:36,229 --> 03:24:35,200
some truth because

5661
03:24:38,150 --> 03:24:36,239
well

5662
03:24:39,670 --> 03:24:38,160
you were in some more truthful state it

5663
03:24:40,550 --> 03:24:39,680
gets extremely tricky and i know why

5664
03:24:42,229 --> 03:24:40,560
you're asking these questions because

5665
03:24:43,990 --> 03:24:42,239
materialists always ask for like proofs

5666
03:24:45,030 --> 03:24:44,000
you know like yeah if you're on if

5667
03:24:46,469 --> 03:24:45,040
you're in a state of omniscience why

5668
03:24:47,990 --> 03:24:46,479
don't you just guess the lottery numbers

5669
03:24:49,990 --> 03:24:48,000
and become a millionaire i'm not even

5670
03:24:52,870 --> 03:24:50,000
asking for proof i'm saying

5671
03:24:55,110 --> 03:24:52,880
some evidence even that this is not

5672
03:24:56,710 --> 03:24:55,120
something more than simply you telling

5673
03:24:59,590 --> 03:24:56,720
yourself this convincing yourself of

5674
03:25:01,110 --> 03:24:59,600
this there's a very deep uh metaphysical

5675
03:25:03,269 --> 03:25:01,120
problem here it's it's a bit like the

5676
03:25:04,710 --> 03:25:03,279
sort of quantum uncertainty principle

5677
03:25:07,429 --> 03:25:04,720
like when you try to pin down where a

5678
03:25:09,030 --> 03:25:07,439
particle is you actually lose its

5679
03:25:10,469 --> 03:25:09,040
definition of being a particle and so

5680
03:25:11,910 --> 03:25:10,479
you kind of can't really pin it down

5681
03:25:13,830 --> 03:25:11,920
exactly

5682
03:25:15,750 --> 03:25:13,840
there's something like that analogous to

5683
03:25:17,349 --> 03:25:15,760
that going on in really high states of

5684
03:25:19,269 --> 03:25:17,359
consciousness when you're in a really

5685
03:25:21,670 --> 03:25:19,279
high state of consciousness you become

5686
03:25:24,469 --> 03:25:21,680
so conscious that material reality

5687
03:25:27,349 --> 03:25:24,479
literally collapses and the notion of a

5688
03:25:29,349 --> 03:25:27,359
future that you can predict

5689
03:25:31,990 --> 03:25:29,359
itself starts to break down and melt

5690
03:25:38,710 --> 03:25:35,190
okay and there and there is um

5691
03:25:42,150 --> 03:25:40,070
because what you realize is that you're

5692
03:25:45,349 --> 03:25:42,160
imagining the entire future

5693
03:25:47,590 --> 03:25:45,359
does the notion of the past also

5694
03:25:50,550 --> 03:25:47,600
yeah okay like for example you're

5695
03:25:52,630 --> 03:25:50,560
imagining your birth

5696
03:25:55,190 --> 03:25:52,640
your human birth yeah well i don't see

5697
03:25:56,469 --> 03:25:55,200
why please tell me why and i don't mean

5698
03:25:59,349 --> 03:25:56,479
to be poking and prodding where i

5699
03:26:01,429 --> 03:25:59,359
shouldn't be but why is it that

5700
03:26:03,750 --> 03:26:01,439
what's historical you mention historical

5701
03:26:06,469 --> 03:26:03,760
documents and your birth which is in the

5702
03:26:07,830 --> 03:26:06,479
past as we ordinarily conceive of time

5703
03:26:11,190 --> 03:26:07,840
why is it that

5704
03:26:13,349 --> 03:26:11,200
those events come to you fairly readily

5705
03:26:15,910 --> 03:26:13,359
but if there is no distinction between

5706
03:26:18,309 --> 03:26:15,920
past and futures all illusory why isn't

5707
03:26:19,910 --> 03:26:18,319
that you can't have and

5708
03:26:21,590 --> 03:26:19,920
a premonition of something that's going

5709
03:26:23,990 --> 03:26:21,600
to occur

5710
03:26:25,190 --> 03:26:24,000
two days from now or four days from now

5711
03:26:27,190 --> 03:26:25,200
and

5712
03:26:29,110 --> 03:26:27,200
well first of all many

5713
03:26:31,190 --> 03:26:29,120
mystical folk do

5714
03:26:33,670 --> 03:26:31,200
claim such

5715
03:26:36,309 --> 03:26:33,680
premonitions it's called clairvoyance

5716
03:26:38,550 --> 03:26:36,319
um it's actually extremely common in

5717
03:26:40,870 --> 03:26:38,560
mystical circles and communities and

5718
03:26:42,229 --> 03:26:40,880
amongst spiritual masters and teachers i

5719
03:26:43,590 --> 03:26:42,239
personally don't claim any of these

5720
03:26:44,870 --> 03:26:43,600
abilities

5721
03:26:47,190 --> 03:26:44,880
you have to also understand that i'm not

5722
03:26:49,269 --> 03:26:47,200
done with my work in many ways i'm just

5723
03:26:50,229 --> 03:26:49,279
a beginner in this work

5724
03:26:51,990 --> 03:26:50,239
um

5725
03:26:53,110 --> 03:26:52,000
and so what kind of abilities i might

5726
03:26:54,790 --> 03:26:53,120
develop in the future i'm still

5727
03:26:56,150 --> 03:26:54,800
exploring and experimenting with that so

5728
03:26:57,910 --> 03:26:56,160
maybe in the future i will develop

5729
03:26:59,349 --> 03:26:57,920
clairvoyance i don't know i love that

5730
03:27:01,670 --> 03:26:59,359
you're saying that because so many

5731
03:27:02,469 --> 03:27:01,680
people will dismiss you i hope

5732
03:27:04,550 --> 03:27:02,479
to

5733
03:27:06,389 --> 03:27:04,560
dissuade them of their dismissal of you

5734
03:27:08,229 --> 03:27:06,399
because they'll think that

5735
03:27:09,510 --> 03:27:08,239
judging by the

5736
03:27:11,910 --> 03:27:09,520
conviction in which you say your

5737
03:27:13,910 --> 03:27:11,920
statements which are large they can be

5738
03:27:16,710 --> 03:27:13,920
seemingly egotistical especially if

5739
03:27:19,590 --> 03:27:16,720
you're claiming equivalence with god and

5740
03:27:21,030 --> 03:27:19,600
it seems like there's no modicum of of

5741
03:27:23,750 --> 03:27:21,040
or there's at least a modicum of

5742
03:27:25,590 --> 03:27:23,760
self-pride in you when you say that i'm

5743
03:27:27,990 --> 03:27:25,600
i'm perhaps there is because everyone is

5744
03:27:30,790 --> 03:27:28,000
an ego everyone and you're not claiming

5745
03:27:33,190 --> 03:27:30,800
to have zero ego yeah but either way i

5746
03:27:35,750 --> 03:27:33,200
like and even one of your videos which

5747
03:27:38,229 --> 03:27:35,760
i've time stamped i like that you said

5748
03:27:39,590 --> 03:27:38,239
or expressed some doubt

5749
03:27:42,550 --> 03:27:39,600
as to

5750
03:27:44,469 --> 03:27:42,560
your entire veltan chaong

5751
03:27:47,110 --> 03:27:44,479
i have the timestamp here i i to me that

5752
03:27:48,790 --> 03:27:47,120
made you much more human even though

5753
03:27:50,710 --> 03:27:48,800
obviously

5754
03:27:52,070 --> 03:27:50,720
the claim is that you're not but we are

5755
03:27:53,910 --> 03:27:52,080
not as well so it's not as if you're

5756
03:27:55,590 --> 03:27:53,920
above us in some manner

5757
03:27:57,830 --> 03:27:55,600
i'm certainly uh so a couple of

5758
03:27:59,590 --> 03:27:57,840
clarifications i'm certainly not immune

5759
03:28:01,349 --> 03:27:59,600
to self-deception

5760
03:28:03,429 --> 03:28:01,359
like i'm really big on self-deception

5761
03:28:05,750 --> 03:28:03,439
and i even say that even if you become

5762
03:28:07,190 --> 03:28:05,760
fully enlightened you will still not be

5763
03:28:08,630 --> 03:28:07,200
immune to self-deception because

5764
03:28:11,830 --> 03:28:08,640
self-deception still happens at the

5765
03:28:14,870 --> 03:28:11,840
relative domain

5766
03:28:16,309 --> 03:28:14,880
or what when you say yeah like yeah the

5767
03:28:18,870 --> 03:28:16,319
sort of just the earthly domain of

5768
03:28:20,710 --> 03:28:18,880
living okay here like like for example

5769
03:28:22,229 --> 03:28:20,720
you could still be wrong about covid

5770
03:28:23,429 --> 03:28:22,239
whatever your beliefs about the vaccine

5771
03:28:24,710 --> 03:28:23,439
are you could still be wrong about that

5772
03:28:27,190 --> 03:28:24,720
whether you're enlightened or not

5773
03:28:28,469 --> 03:28:27,200
because enlightenment and awakening the

5774
03:28:30,790 --> 03:28:28,479
absolute truth there's actually sort of

5775
03:28:32,469 --> 03:28:30,800
a trade-off when you go so high in your

5776
03:28:34,710 --> 03:28:32,479
consciousness you're actually losing

5777
03:28:35,750 --> 03:28:34,720
connection to the fine details of this

5778
03:28:37,750 --> 03:28:35,760
dream

5779
03:28:41,349 --> 03:28:37,760
sort of like look like let's say you

5780
03:28:43,750 --> 03:28:41,359
wanted to see the entire planet earth

5781
03:28:45,349 --> 03:28:43,760
the more you the more to see the entire

5782
03:28:48,389 --> 03:28:45,359
thing you have to zoom out really really

5783
03:28:50,550 --> 03:28:48,399
far the further you the further you

5784
03:28:52,550 --> 03:28:50,560
use them out the few details you see so

5785
03:28:54,710 --> 03:28:52,560
like when so

5786
03:28:56,630 --> 03:28:54,720
um we might phrase it like this like if

5787
03:28:59,349 --> 03:28:56,640
i tell you i've seen the entire earth as

5788
03:29:01,990 --> 03:28:59,359
a whole and you say oh yeah really prove

5789
03:29:03,990 --> 03:29:02,000
it tell me tell me how many uh how many

5790
03:29:04,710 --> 03:29:04,000
uh houses are

5791
03:29:06,950 --> 03:29:04,720
yeah

5792
03:29:08,150 --> 03:29:06,960
exactly it's like well but but you're

5793
03:29:10,229 --> 03:29:08,160
not seeing that there's actually a

5794
03:29:12,790 --> 03:29:10,239
profound trade-off there i had to zoom

5795
03:29:14,469 --> 03:29:12,800
really far out to lose the detail to see

5796
03:29:16,150 --> 03:29:14,479
it in its totality

5797
03:29:17,670 --> 03:29:16,160
and then you know if you want specific

5798
03:29:20,150 --> 03:29:17,680
details now i have to zoom back in but

5799
03:29:22,950 --> 03:29:20,160
then i lose the totality so there is a

5800
03:29:25,750 --> 03:29:22,960
profound trade-off there

5801
03:29:27,349 --> 03:29:25,760
so i am not immune to self-deception

5802
03:29:29,830 --> 03:29:27,359
because most self-deception just happens

5803
03:29:31,269 --> 03:29:29,840
at the ordinary sort of earthly level

5804
03:29:32,389 --> 03:29:31,279
material level

5805
03:29:40,469 --> 03:29:32,399
and

5806
03:29:43,910 --> 03:29:40,479
beliefs about certain things

5807
03:29:46,389 --> 03:29:43,920
but the app but the absolute infinity

5808
03:29:48,550 --> 03:29:46,399
that is not a belief

5809
03:29:50,229 --> 03:29:48,560
and i and i would say i can't be wrong

5810
03:29:51,590 --> 03:29:50,239
about that but everything else i could

5811
03:29:53,190 --> 03:29:51,600
be wrong about

5812
03:29:55,349 --> 03:29:53,200
what's something you recently

5813
03:29:56,950 --> 03:29:55,359
have self-deluded yourself about that

5814
03:30:02,790 --> 03:29:56,960
you have come to the realization that

5815
03:30:06,950 --> 03:30:05,030
um

5816
03:30:09,349 --> 03:30:06,960
something non-trivial

5817
03:30:12,469 --> 03:30:10,790
like not about peanut butter and jelly

5818
03:30:14,550 --> 03:30:12,479
like oh i actually thought i liked the

5819
03:30:19,429 --> 03:30:14,560
creamy peanut butter but i never tried

5820
03:30:23,349 --> 03:30:21,190
for a long time i intuited that

5821
03:30:25,830 --> 03:30:23,359
paranormal abilities are possible such

5822
03:30:28,070 --> 03:30:25,840
as healing clairvoyance other such

5823
03:30:30,150 --> 03:30:28,080
things a lot of what is the woo of the

5824
03:30:32,150 --> 03:30:30,160
woo new age stuff right even though i

5825
03:30:34,229 --> 03:30:32,160
was never really into it per se but then

5826
03:30:35,830 --> 03:30:34,239
a few years ago i had a i started

5827
03:30:38,550 --> 03:30:35,840
developing some serious health problems

5828
03:30:40,630 --> 03:30:38,560
with my stomach i was having a bacterial

5829
03:30:42,389 --> 03:30:40,640
infection and it was really difficult

5830
03:30:43,990 --> 03:30:42,399
for me to even figure out what it was it

5831
03:30:45,030 --> 03:30:44,000
took me a year just to figure out what

5832
03:30:46,950 --> 03:30:45,040
it was

5833
03:30:49,830 --> 03:30:46,960
so it caused me a lot of suffering and

5834
03:30:51,110 --> 03:30:49,840
misery what are those symptoms just pain

5835
03:30:53,349 --> 03:30:51,120
uh

5836
03:30:55,510 --> 03:30:53,359
basically i have a very limited number

5837
03:30:56,870 --> 03:30:55,520
of foods i can eat without causing me

5838
03:30:59,110 --> 03:30:56,880
lots of pain

5839
03:31:00,950 --> 03:30:59,120
because it feeds the bacterial infection

5840
03:31:02,950 --> 03:31:00,960
i'm sorry so i've been dealing with yeah

5841
03:31:05,269 --> 03:31:02,960
so i've been dealing with that

5842
03:31:07,190 --> 03:31:05,279
um it's kind of been a thorn in my side

5843
03:31:08,870 --> 03:31:07,200
and i i went i exhausted all the

5844
03:31:10,710 --> 03:31:08,880
traditional methods you know normal

5845
03:31:12,309 --> 03:31:10,720
doctors they couldn't help me i went to

5846
03:31:14,870 --> 03:31:12,319
many of them tried normal medicines

5847
03:31:16,389 --> 03:31:14,880
antibiotics didn't help me

5848
03:31:18,550 --> 03:31:16,399
uh so finally i got frustrated i'm like

5849
03:31:20,150 --> 03:31:18,560
well but you know i've accessed some of

5850
03:31:21,830 --> 03:31:20,160
these higher dimensions of consciousness

5851
03:31:23,510 --> 03:31:21,840
and i intuit that this sort of

5852
03:31:24,710 --> 03:31:23,520
paranormal stuff is probably possible

5853
03:31:26,630 --> 03:31:24,720
even though i don't have these powers

5854
03:31:28,389 --> 03:31:26,640
myself so why don't why don't i go to

5855
03:31:30,309 --> 03:31:28,399
yelp and just look at in in town in

5856
03:31:32,070 --> 03:31:30,319
vague i live in vegas they just look

5857
03:31:33,830 --> 03:31:32,080
look first look for some paranormal

5858
03:31:36,070 --> 03:31:33,840
healer type of people

5859
03:31:38,229 --> 03:31:36,080
look for some um clairvoyant like i

5860
03:31:39,830 --> 03:31:38,239
actually went to some fortune tellers

5861
03:31:41,269 --> 03:31:39,840
oh man because i was thinking i was

5862
03:31:43,030 --> 03:31:41,279
thinking like if i can go to one of

5863
03:31:44,309 --> 03:31:43,040
these fortune tellers and and all i want

5864
03:31:46,070 --> 03:31:44,319
from the fortune teller is like i don't

5865
03:31:48,550 --> 03:31:46,080
want a lottery number just tell me what

5866
03:31:49,349 --> 03:31:48,560
the actual root cause is of this stomach

5867
03:31:50,550 --> 03:31:49,359
issue

5868
03:31:52,710 --> 03:31:50,560
so i actually went to some of these

5869
03:31:54,790 --> 03:31:52,720
fortune tellers and they weren't just

5870
03:31:57,110 --> 03:31:54,800
these hokey fortune tellers uh some of

5871
03:31:59,269 --> 03:31:57,120
them were like reiki master type people

5872
03:32:00,550 --> 03:31:59,279
that do like energy healing work you

5873
03:32:02,950 --> 03:32:00,560
could you could find

5874
03:32:04,630 --> 03:32:02,960
yeah and so um

5875
03:32:05,830 --> 03:32:04,640
so anyways and and then what i decided

5876
03:32:07,349 --> 03:32:05,840
to do i'm like well but i don't know can

5877
03:32:09,349 --> 03:32:07,359
i trust these fortune teller

5878
03:32:11,349 --> 03:32:09,359
people i mean i'm very skeptical

5879
03:32:12,870 --> 03:32:11,359
that's too bad

5880
03:32:15,110 --> 03:32:12,880
the reason i say it's too bad is uh i

5881
03:32:17,429 --> 03:32:15,120
would i would have i want to know what

5882
03:32:18,950 --> 03:32:17,439
was that experience like going in

5883
03:32:21,429 --> 03:32:18,960
believing them or at least being so

5884
03:32:23,190 --> 03:32:21,439
open-minded that you're well i well i'm

5885
03:32:24,950 --> 03:32:23,200
gonna get to that because i mean i i was

5886
03:32:26,229 --> 03:32:24,960
a bit desperate and this is part of how

5887
03:32:28,309 --> 03:32:26,239
people deceive themselves is that you

5888
03:32:29,830 --> 03:32:28,319
gotta have some element of desperation

5889
03:32:31,429 --> 03:32:29,840
so ordinarily i'm very rational but you

5890
03:32:32,469 --> 03:32:31,439
know when you're under when you have a

5891
03:32:33,990 --> 03:32:32,479
serious

5892
03:32:35,269 --> 03:32:34,000
health condition that's one of the

5893
03:32:36,389 --> 03:32:35,279
things that makes you very desperate i

5894
03:32:38,229 --> 03:32:36,399
mean you're willing to believe anything

5895
03:32:39,670 --> 03:32:38,239
at that point to you know if you've got

5896
03:32:41,510 --> 03:32:39,680
cancer or something you'll you'll try

5897
03:32:43,750 --> 03:32:41,520
anything once you exhaust all the

5898
03:32:44,870 --> 03:32:43,760
traditional stuff and it doesn't work

5899
03:32:46,710 --> 03:32:44,880
i mean what do you got to lose you got

5900
03:32:48,630 --> 03:32:46,720
nothing to lose because your life is

5901
03:32:50,309 --> 03:32:48,640
going to hell so anyways

5902
03:32:51,990 --> 03:32:50,319
so i decided ah what i'm gonna do is i'm

5903
03:32:53,670 --> 03:32:52,000
gonna i'm gonna schedule like five

5904
03:32:55,670 --> 03:32:53,680
different of these

5905
03:32:57,269 --> 03:32:55,680
healers and fortune teller type folks

5906
03:32:59,429 --> 03:32:57,279
and i'm gonna go to all of them in the

5907
03:33:01,750 --> 03:32:59,439
same week and i'm not gonna communicate

5908
03:33:03,670 --> 03:33:01,760
what each of them told me so i'm gonna

5909
03:33:05,269 --> 03:33:03,680
play them off each other like like you

5910
03:33:06,469 --> 03:33:05,279
like to do with your guests so i'm going

5911
03:33:08,309 --> 03:33:06,479
to play them off each i mean this is a

5912
03:33:10,550 --> 03:33:08,319
technique i've used for years with

5913
03:33:12,389 --> 03:33:10,560
science and all sorts of stuff so anyway

5914
03:33:14,309 --> 03:33:12,399
i'm going to play them off each other

5915
03:33:17,510 --> 03:33:14,319
so so that's what i did

5916
03:33:18,710 --> 03:33:17,520
and i went to to these different uh folk

5917
03:33:19,830 --> 03:33:18,720
and uh

5918
03:33:21,190 --> 03:33:19,840
i want to make sure i'm understanding

5919
03:33:22,950 --> 03:33:21,200
what do you mean when you say you played

5920
03:33:24,710 --> 03:33:22,960
them off one another you're trying to

5921
03:33:26,309 --> 03:33:24,720
manipulate them or you're trying to see

5922
03:33:27,510 --> 03:33:26,319
if one is telling the truth or what do

5923
03:33:29,349 --> 03:33:27,520
you mean

5924
03:33:31,429 --> 03:33:29,359
well i i i was basically like for

5925
03:33:33,190 --> 03:33:31,439
example i wanted to go to like a fortune

5926
03:33:35,269 --> 03:33:33,200
teller and say i have this health

5927
03:33:37,429 --> 03:33:35,279
condition uh can you tell me what the

5928
03:33:39,429 --> 03:33:37,439
root cause is and she would tell me oh

5929
03:33:41,269 --> 03:33:39,439
it's because you you you were you did

5930
03:33:43,269 --> 03:33:41,279
something bad in your past life

5931
03:33:45,670 --> 03:33:43,279
and so i would say okay maybe it's that

5932
03:33:46,710 --> 03:33:45,680
maybe i don't know maybe then i would go

5933
03:33:48,309 --> 03:33:46,720
to a different one i would say okay i

5934
03:33:50,550 --> 03:33:48,319
got this health condition and i wouldn't

5935
03:33:51,830 --> 03:33:50,560
tell her that i went to the previous one

5936
03:33:53,269 --> 03:33:51,840
yeah okay

5937
03:33:54,550 --> 03:33:53,279
tell me tell me what the root cause is

5938
03:33:57,030 --> 03:33:54,560
and then she would say oh well it's

5939
03:33:58,950 --> 03:33:57,040
because you uh you masturbate too much

5940
03:34:00,309 --> 03:33:58,960
or whatever right and then so so we're

5941
03:34:02,469 --> 03:34:00,319
going to compare all these and see i

5942
03:34:03,670 --> 03:34:02,479
mean supposedly if it's true they're all

5943
03:34:05,830 --> 03:34:03,680
supposed to align i mean that's how

5944
03:34:07,990 --> 03:34:05,840
science works right

5945
03:34:10,950 --> 03:34:08,000
the answers are supposed to align

5946
03:34:14,229 --> 03:34:10,960
so what i found in the end is uh that

5947
03:34:15,990 --> 03:34:14,239
the answers didn't align very well

5948
03:34:18,229 --> 03:34:16,000
and in fact i actually i got so

5949
03:34:19,510 --> 03:34:18,239
desperate and but also see guys said i

5950
03:34:21,590 --> 03:34:19,520
was also doing this not just out of

5951
03:34:23,269 --> 03:34:21,600
desperation i was also curious i knew

5952
03:34:24,870 --> 03:34:23,279
that i could use this to refine my

5953
03:34:25,750 --> 03:34:24,880
epistemology

5954
03:34:27,269 --> 03:34:25,760
so

5955
03:34:33,990 --> 03:34:27,279
um

5956
03:34:35,590 --> 03:34:34,000
have this uh friend who works with dark

5957
03:34:37,349 --> 03:34:35,600
energy

5958
03:34:39,349 --> 03:34:37,359
he might be able to help you okay so i

5959
03:34:42,550 --> 03:34:39,359
called so i call this this guy

5960
03:34:44,630 --> 03:34:42,560
he says he says for 200 i can remove

5961
03:34:45,510 --> 03:34:44,640
dark entities that are inhabiting your

5962
03:34:47,590 --> 03:34:45,520
body

5963
03:34:49,030 --> 03:34:47,600
okay like you know evil spirits and

5964
03:34:50,150 --> 03:34:49,040
stuff so literally i drive out in the

5965
03:34:52,150 --> 03:34:50,160
middle of the desert he lives in the

5966
03:34:53,670 --> 03:34:52,160
middle of the desert

5967
03:34:56,070 --> 03:34:53,680
this dude

5968
03:34:58,150 --> 03:34:56,080
uh so i spent like four hours with him

5969
03:34:59,510 --> 03:34:58,160
and he he basically does an exorcism on

5970
03:35:02,150 --> 03:34:59,520
me

5971
03:35:03,590 --> 03:35:02,160
okay and i'm he's describing all this

5972
03:35:04,870 --> 03:35:03,600
wild stuff that he's doing but i'm not

5973
03:35:06,870 --> 03:35:04,880
feeling anything

5974
03:35:08,870 --> 03:35:06,880
he's like he's he's acting as though

5975
03:35:10,469 --> 03:35:08,880
he's like pulling evil spirits out of my

5976
03:35:11,510 --> 03:35:10,479
body and so forth

5977
03:35:15,190 --> 03:35:11,520
and

5978
03:35:18,229 --> 03:35:15,200
to the idea but at the same time i'm not

5979
03:35:20,630 --> 03:35:18,239
gullible right i understand that

5980
03:35:23,349 --> 03:35:20,640
i can't just accept him on his word

5981
03:35:25,510 --> 03:35:23,359
so and he basically tells me look

5982
03:35:26,950 --> 03:35:25,520
i've cured you

5983
03:35:28,710 --> 03:35:26,960
ninety percent of your problems are gone

5984
03:35:30,150 --> 03:35:28,720
don't worry about it go home in a month

5985
03:35:32,229 --> 03:35:30,160
give it a month to settle and you'll

5986
03:35:34,150 --> 03:35:32,239
feel great no more problems

5987
03:35:36,229 --> 03:35:34,160
and and i'm like yeah i don't really buy

5988
03:35:38,550 --> 03:35:36,239
that but i'll try it

5989
03:35:41,030 --> 03:35:38,560
um anyways so i tried it

5990
03:35:43,030 --> 03:35:41,040
and in the first week i even had like

5991
03:35:45,750 --> 03:35:43,040
a relief in my symptoms for the first

5992
03:35:47,110 --> 03:35:45,760
week and i i almost like

5993
03:35:48,710 --> 03:35:47,120
i was kind of stunned i'm like maybe

5994
03:35:50,830 --> 03:35:48,720
this is real like i actually had a

5995
03:35:54,229 --> 03:35:50,840
relief of my siblings for about a week

5996
03:35:56,630 --> 03:35:54,239
um but then beyond that it didn't it

5997
03:35:58,790 --> 03:35:56,640
didn't really change my symptoms at all

5998
03:36:00,389 --> 03:35:58,800
and i'm here i am a year later and still

5999
03:36:04,870 --> 03:36:00,399
dealing with the same

6000
03:36:07,750 --> 03:36:06,469
so what that

6001
03:36:09,030 --> 03:36:07,760
what that taught me in terms of

6002
03:36:14,309 --> 03:36:09,040
self-deception you were asking

6003
03:36:18,830 --> 03:36:15,990
i became

6004
03:36:21,910 --> 03:36:18,840
much more aware of the importance

6005
03:36:23,510 --> 03:36:21,920
of of being skeptical of all this kind

6006
03:36:24,790 --> 03:36:23,520
of woo stuff

6007
03:36:26,950 --> 03:36:24,800
uh i

6008
03:36:28,229 --> 03:36:26,960
i still think that some of it could be

6009
03:36:31,910 --> 03:36:28,239
real

6010
03:36:33,670 --> 03:36:31,920
but i i don't just subscribe to it

6011
03:36:35,670 --> 03:36:33,680
as gullibly as maybe i would have in the

6012
03:36:37,110 --> 03:36:35,680
past

6013
03:36:39,190 --> 03:36:37,120
especially when when you when you're

6014
03:36:41,110 --> 03:36:39,200
motivated to want to believe it have you

6015
03:36:43,030 --> 03:36:41,120
experimented with self-healing

6016
03:36:44,229 --> 03:36:43,040
especially being in one of these altered

6017
03:36:46,870 --> 03:36:44,239
states

6018
03:36:48,630 --> 03:36:46,880
yes and and i could even admit that

6019
03:36:50,790 --> 03:36:48,640
there was some self-deception there as

6020
03:36:52,389 --> 03:36:50,800
well because i was also very motivated

6021
03:36:53,990 --> 03:36:52,399
to want to heal myself

6022
03:36:56,150 --> 03:36:54,000
so after that kind of healing didn't

6023
03:36:57,510 --> 03:36:56,160
work i tried to say okay well why

6024
03:36:58,950 --> 03:36:57,520
shouldn't i be able to do it if other

6025
03:37:00,070 --> 03:36:58,960
people can do it why can't i do it on

6026
03:37:04,550 --> 03:37:00,080
myself

6027
03:37:06,070 --> 03:37:04,560
very high states of consciousness

6028
03:37:08,790 --> 03:37:06,080
um

6029
03:37:09,670 --> 03:37:08,800
and and sometimes even like

6030
03:37:12,070 --> 03:37:09,680
kind of

6031
03:37:13,030 --> 03:37:12,080
believing that maybe it worked

6032
03:37:17,030 --> 03:37:13,040
uh and

6033
03:37:21,030 --> 03:37:19,349
see uh for the people listening i would

6034
03:37:24,070 --> 03:37:21,040
like you if you've listened this far i'd

6035
03:37:25,110 --> 03:37:24,080
like you to re-listen to this podcast

6036
03:37:26,950 --> 03:37:25,120
because

6037
03:37:27,910 --> 03:37:26,960
probably as you listen to leo in the

6038
03:37:28,870 --> 03:37:27,920
beginning

6039
03:37:32,150 --> 03:37:28,880
the

6040
03:37:35,349 --> 03:37:32,160
seeming audacity of him and his claims

6041
03:37:37,910 --> 03:37:35,359
may have turned you off but it's toward

6042
03:37:39,910 --> 03:37:37,920
the three-quarter mark where

6043
03:37:43,110 --> 03:37:39,920
leo right here you leo you're expressing

6044
03:37:45,190 --> 03:37:43,120
so much humility and skepticism

6045
03:37:46,710 --> 03:37:45,200
that it

6046
03:37:48,790 --> 03:37:46,720
buttresses your

6047
03:37:51,910 --> 03:37:48,800
other claims it at least makes it more

6048
03:37:53,429 --> 03:37:51,920
palatable for the people who are

6049
03:37:55,030 --> 03:37:53,439
who are likely turned off which i'm sure

6050
03:37:56,630 --> 03:37:55,040
you also get in your youtube comments

6051
03:37:58,950 --> 03:37:56,640
but if you've listened this far you're

6052
03:38:01,110 --> 03:37:58,960
likely extremely open-minded however i

6053
03:38:02,229 --> 03:38:01,120
recommend you again listen with fresh

6054
03:38:04,229 --> 03:38:02,239
ears

6055
03:38:06,150 --> 03:38:04,239
how do you get what is this what is this

6056
03:38:07,590 --> 03:38:06,160
barometer of woo that you have and how

6057
03:38:11,190 --> 03:38:07,600
does one

6058
03:38:16,070 --> 03:38:14,070
so so but but and then even to build

6059
03:38:18,229 --> 03:38:16,080
further on this so this really started

6060
03:38:20,469 --> 03:38:18,239
to get me to wonder like

6061
03:38:22,150 --> 03:38:20,479
um how do i make sense of this how do i

6062
03:38:24,150 --> 03:38:22,160
make sense of the fact that there are

6063
03:38:27,269 --> 03:38:24,160
for example

6064
03:38:28,630 --> 03:38:27,279
there are exorcists who genuinely fully

6065
03:38:30,950 --> 03:38:28,640
believe that what they're doing is

6066
03:38:33,830 --> 03:38:30,960
exercising demons from your body like

6067
03:38:34,950 --> 03:38:33,840
they are fully in it like they are not

6068
03:38:38,309 --> 03:38:34,960
they are not

6069
03:38:40,469 --> 03:38:38,319
just uh you know scammers

6070
03:38:41,349 --> 03:38:40,479
looking for 200.00

6071
03:38:43,189 --> 03:38:41,359
um

6072
03:38:45,349 --> 03:38:43,199
they are like you can tell that these

6073
03:38:47,670 --> 03:38:45,359
are genuine like

6074
03:38:50,309 --> 03:38:47,680
kind-hearted people in fact this guy who

6075
03:38:52,550 --> 03:38:50,319
i paid 200 for the exorcism he told me

6076
03:38:54,229 --> 03:38:52,560
that there's only going to be one

6077
03:38:55,990 --> 03:38:54,239
you will never need a second exorcism

6078
03:38:58,550 --> 03:38:56,000
ever again in your life so you're only

6079
03:38:59,990 --> 03:38:58,560
going to pay me 200 and that's it

6080
03:39:01,030 --> 03:39:00,000
right because like and that was very

6081
03:39:02,309 --> 03:39:01,040
interesting

6082
03:39:04,389 --> 03:39:02,319
because i would think that like you know

6083
03:39:06,150 --> 03:39:04,399
if he's a scammer yeah why would he set

6084
03:39:08,070 --> 03:39:06,160
it up that way he would like i would

6085
03:39:10,630 --> 03:39:08,080
have a whole scheme of like ladders like

6086
03:39:12,469 --> 03:39:10,640
a almost like an mlm scheme of like oh

6087
03:39:14,309 --> 03:39:12,479
you've you've reached tier one and then

6088
03:39:16,309 --> 03:39:14,319
you got to reach tier two and this and

6089
03:39:18,389 --> 03:39:16,319
keep paying me right 200

6090
03:39:20,550 --> 03:39:18,399
is not a lot of money for

6091
03:39:22,550 --> 03:39:20,560
for four hours of work right he was with

6092
03:39:25,269 --> 03:39:22,560
me for four hours

6093
03:39:27,110 --> 03:39:25,279
so um and then and and he's never called

6094
03:39:29,110 --> 03:39:27,120
me he's never asked me for money i've

6095
03:39:30,790 --> 03:39:29,120
never heard from him since yeah i got

6096
03:39:32,870 --> 03:39:30,800
him he never asked he's never asked me

6097
03:39:34,389 --> 03:39:32,880
to refer anybody to him or anything he's

6098
03:39:36,710 --> 03:39:34,399
a very kind of like reclusive guy lives

6099
03:39:38,469 --> 03:39:36,720
in the desert so like how do you

6100
03:39:41,990 --> 03:39:38,479
explain that

6101
03:39:46,229 --> 03:39:44,070
and the way that i the way that my model

6102
03:39:48,309 --> 03:39:46,239
in worldview explains it

6103
03:39:50,469 --> 03:39:48,319
is that basically

6104
03:39:53,590 --> 03:39:50,479
all of us are living in our own bubble

6105
03:39:54,630 --> 03:39:53,600
of reality so to speak

6106
03:39:56,229 --> 03:39:54,640
and

6107
03:39:58,070 --> 03:39:56,239
we assume generally that we're living in

6108
03:39:59,349 --> 03:39:58,080
the same reality and in a sense we're

6109
03:40:01,830 --> 03:39:59,359
not

6110
03:40:04,229 --> 03:40:01,840
uh we are constructing

6111
03:40:07,590 --> 03:40:04,239
our own dreams and these dreams we could

6112
03:40:09,910 --> 03:40:07,600
say interpenetrate to some degree

6113
03:40:11,510 --> 03:40:09,920
but to a much lesser degree than many

6114
03:40:14,070 --> 03:40:11,520
people and materialists especially and

6115
03:40:17,510 --> 03:40:14,080
scientists assume there's a lot of

6116
03:40:19,110 --> 03:40:17,520
there's a lot of very weird

6117
03:40:20,550 --> 03:40:19,120
that you could be dreaming but that

6118
03:40:22,389 --> 03:40:20,560
you're not dreaming

6119
03:40:25,189 --> 03:40:22,399
that those woo people are dreaming so

6120
03:40:26,389 --> 03:40:25,199
it's not that those people are deluded

6121
03:40:28,070 --> 03:40:26,399
per se

6122
03:40:30,229 --> 03:40:28,080
it's that they are literally inhabiting

6123
03:40:32,950 --> 03:40:30,239
a different dream in which like i

6124
03:40:34,950 --> 03:40:32,960
believe that that guy to his son to

6125
03:40:37,030 --> 03:40:34,960
himself in his own mind he was seeing

6126
03:40:41,349 --> 03:40:37,040
demons he was pulling out of my body but

6127
03:40:44,870 --> 03:40:42,870
because i'm i'm dreaming a different

6128
03:40:47,590 --> 03:40:44,880
dream that is not fully aligned with the

6129
03:40:48,630 --> 03:40:47,600
dream that he's dreaming

6130
03:40:50,389 --> 03:40:48,640
and so

6131
03:40:52,150 --> 03:40:50,399
if you actually study deeply these

6132
03:40:54,229 --> 03:40:52,160
woo-woo people and you ask them about

6133
03:40:56,710 --> 03:40:54,239
their first person experiences this is

6134
03:40:58,229 --> 03:40:56,720
where you get the real gold

6135
03:41:00,870 --> 03:40:58,239
they will tell you about

6136
03:41:03,269 --> 03:41:00,880
visions they have entities they see

6137
03:41:04,550 --> 03:41:03,279
ghosts aliens uh

6138
03:41:07,590 --> 03:41:04,560
um

6139
03:41:09,189 --> 03:41:07,600
you know evil entities and ufos and

6140
03:41:11,510 --> 03:41:09,199
whatever else

6141
03:41:12,950 --> 03:41:11,520
uh angels and

6142
03:41:16,389 --> 03:41:12,960
and

6143
03:41:18,309 --> 03:41:16,399
the scientists make is he says oh well

6144
03:41:21,349 --> 03:41:18,319
this is all it's all nonsense even

6145
03:41:23,269 --> 03:41:21,359
rupert spirit told you that's nonsense

6146
03:41:25,910 --> 03:41:23,279
it's not nonduality right he told you

6147
03:41:28,630 --> 03:41:25,920
that he considers it nonsense

6148
03:41:33,349 --> 03:41:28,640
uh even that is not quite correct

6149
03:41:37,910 --> 03:41:35,429
us you know from a sort of a consensus

6150
03:41:39,590 --> 03:41:37,920
reality point of view it's nonsense

6151
03:41:42,229 --> 03:41:39,600
maybe it's nonsense from the scientific

6152
03:41:43,110 --> 03:41:42,239
point of view you can't

6153
03:41:45,110 --> 03:41:43,120
prove it

6154
03:41:46,790 --> 03:41:45,120
according to materialistic

6155
03:41:48,790 --> 03:41:46,800
standards of proof and by the way those

6156
03:41:50,550 --> 03:41:48,800
proof standards are all relative and

6157
03:41:52,389 --> 03:41:50,560
there's many problems with how we define

6158
03:41:54,389 --> 03:41:52,399
proof within science we can talk about

6159
03:41:56,389 --> 03:41:54,399
that but anyways

6160
03:41:57,750 --> 03:41:56,399
but what you have to understand is the

6161
03:41:59,189 --> 03:41:57,760
open your mind of the possibility that

6162
03:42:01,910 --> 03:41:59,199
those people who claim that they're

6163
03:42:03,189 --> 03:42:01,920
seeing angels and devils and

6164
03:42:06,870 --> 03:42:03,199
whatever

6165
03:42:11,189 --> 03:42:08,550
and the reason that is in my model it's

6166
03:42:12,710 --> 03:42:11,199
very easy to explain that it's because

6167
03:42:14,469 --> 03:42:12,720
there's really no difference between a

6168
03:42:16,550 --> 03:42:14,479
dream and physical reality and if you

6169
03:42:17,269 --> 03:42:16,560
take psychedelics you'll you'll you'll

6170
03:42:19,910 --> 03:42:17,279
see

6171
03:42:22,150 --> 03:42:19,920
you can take so much lsd that literally

6172
03:42:24,389 --> 03:42:22,160
when you look at your hands your hands

6173
03:42:26,070 --> 03:42:24,399
can turn into the hands of a devil

6174
03:42:27,110 --> 03:42:26,080
try it

6175
03:42:28,950 --> 03:42:27,120
yeah

6176
03:42:30,550 --> 03:42:28,960
well

6177
03:42:32,630 --> 03:42:30,560
be careful when you try that that

6178
03:42:33,670 --> 03:42:32,640
particular experiment

6179
03:42:38,229 --> 03:42:33,680
if you d

6180
03:42:40,469 --> 03:42:39,189
i still

6181
03:42:43,189 --> 03:42:40,479
don't

6182
03:42:45,110 --> 03:42:43,199
see why it's not delusion in your mind

6183
03:42:46,870 --> 03:42:45,120
you said they they inhabited a different

6184
03:42:49,269 --> 03:42:46,880
world now our worlds intersect and we

6185
03:42:50,870 --> 03:42:49,279
can call this objective reality though

6186
03:42:52,710 --> 03:42:50,880
objective reality intersects to a much

6187
03:42:55,030 --> 03:42:52,720
lesser degree than we think it's more

6188
03:42:57,269 --> 03:42:55,040
protean than we think well i'll tell you

6189
03:43:03,510 --> 03:42:57,279
why it's like this

6190
03:43:07,269 --> 03:43:05,349
you can understand language

6191
03:43:09,510 --> 03:43:07,279
you have that capacity

6192
03:43:11,269 --> 03:43:09,520
an animal your dog if you have one

6193
03:43:14,309 --> 03:43:11,279
cannot understand

6194
03:43:16,309 --> 03:43:14,319
words written on a page

6195
03:43:17,510 --> 03:43:16,319
so from the point of view of a dog your

6196
03:43:19,510 --> 03:43:17,520
ability to understand language is

6197
03:43:20,950 --> 03:43:19,520
delusion

6198
03:43:22,870 --> 03:43:20,960
when you read a book you think that the

6199
03:43:24,950 --> 03:43:22,880
book actually means something from the

6200
03:43:26,870 --> 03:43:24,960
dog's point of view the book means

6201
03:43:28,710 --> 03:43:26,880
nothing and that you're deluded to claim

6202
03:43:29,910 --> 03:43:28,720
that the book means anything the way i'm

6203
03:43:31,750 --> 03:43:29,920
imagining this we got to use a different

6204
03:43:33,349 --> 03:43:31,760
example than a dog dogs don't even think

6205
03:43:35,269 --> 03:43:33,359
in terms of delusion there's like oh is

6206
03:43:37,110 --> 03:43:35,279
there food is there not food

6207
03:43:38,389 --> 03:43:37,120
so let's let's take a let's take an

6208
03:43:39,750 --> 03:43:38,399
example of someone else like another

6209
03:43:41,590 --> 03:43:39,760
person from a different culture well

6210
03:43:43,269 --> 03:43:41,600
that that's just but we'll get to that

6211
03:43:44,950 --> 03:43:43,279
but that's actually a good point a dog

6212
03:43:45,830 --> 03:43:44,960
doesn't think about delusion that means

6213
03:43:47,670 --> 03:43:45,840
the

6214
03:43:49,990 --> 03:43:47,680
consider this that delusion literally

6215
03:43:52,070 --> 03:43:50,000
does not exist for a dog that's a human

6216
03:43:53,590 --> 03:43:52,080
idea a human notion

6217
03:43:56,309 --> 03:43:53,600
right because people just assume that oh

6218
03:43:58,150 --> 03:43:56,319
delusion is just like a existential fact

6219
03:44:00,150 --> 03:43:58,160
maybe not maybe delusion is actually

6220
03:44:02,630 --> 03:44:00,160
something that is particular to humans

6221
03:44:03,830 --> 03:44:02,640
or to certain kinds of

6222
03:44:05,910 --> 03:44:03,840
beings

6223
03:44:07,510 --> 03:44:05,920
but yeah go on what example did you want

6224
03:44:08,950 --> 03:44:07,520
to use oh just use a different culture

6225
03:44:10,309 --> 03:44:08,960
instead of a dog

6226
03:44:11,349 --> 03:44:10,319
another culture that has the idea of

6227
03:44:12,710 --> 03:44:11,359
delusion

6228
03:44:14,830 --> 03:44:12,720
so they would look at you with your

6229
03:44:17,830 --> 03:44:14,840
beliefs of

6230
03:44:19,189 --> 03:44:17,840
bible

6231
03:44:20,790 --> 03:44:19,199
yeah let's take even like a very

6232
03:44:22,070 --> 03:44:20,800
skeptical child you might even take a

6233
03:44:23,830 --> 03:44:22,080
young child

6234
03:44:25,830 --> 03:44:23,840
and show him that there are that there

6235
03:44:26,950 --> 03:44:25,840
are words written on a book that let's

6236
03:44:28,469 --> 03:44:26,960
say he doesn't know how to read he

6237
03:44:29,429 --> 03:44:28,479
hasn't learned language you could show

6238
03:44:30,870 --> 03:44:29,439
him

6239
03:44:32,710 --> 03:44:30,880
and he

6240
03:44:35,110 --> 03:44:32,720
that child if he was raised improperly

6241
03:44:36,710 --> 03:44:35,120
or so he might be skeptical he might say

6242
03:44:38,710 --> 03:44:36,720
um no

6243
03:44:40,630 --> 03:44:38,720
that means nothing

6244
03:44:42,389 --> 03:44:40,640
it's not possible to read

6245
03:44:44,070 --> 03:44:42,399
how would you teach a child to read if

6246
03:44:46,070 --> 03:44:44,080
he's so skeptical he doesn't even

6247
03:44:48,150 --> 03:44:46,080
believe that reading is possible let's

6248
03:44:50,150 --> 03:44:48,160
say he only has verbal language but no

6249
03:44:51,670 --> 03:44:50,160
reading ability

6250
03:44:53,269 --> 03:44:51,680
how would you do that

6251
03:44:55,110 --> 03:44:53,279
you see

6252
03:44:56,710 --> 03:44:55,120
he would really be stuck that's so

6253
03:44:58,070 --> 03:44:56,720
that's why skepticism is so dangerous

6254
03:45:00,150 --> 03:44:58,080
because you can really get yourself

6255
03:45:02,870 --> 03:45:00,160
stuck with with skepticism because

6256
03:45:05,510 --> 03:45:02,880
here's the ultimate thing is that if you

6257
03:45:07,910 --> 03:45:05,520
want you can be skeptical to an absolute

6258
03:45:10,070 --> 03:45:07,920
degree about absolutely anything

6259
03:45:12,229 --> 03:45:10,080
you can literally deny

6260
03:45:14,150 --> 03:45:12,239
that um

6261
03:45:16,150 --> 03:45:14,160
you can you can deny

6262
03:45:18,469 --> 03:45:16,160
that the sky is blue can you deny that

6263
03:45:19,750 --> 03:45:18,479
you're conscious

6264
03:45:21,910 --> 03:45:19,760
isn't that what you isn't that what

6265
03:45:23,269 --> 03:45:21,920
you're doing

6266
03:45:24,830 --> 03:45:23,279
you can certainly deny that you're

6267
03:45:31,349 --> 03:45:24,840
conscious

6268
03:45:35,750 --> 03:45:34,150
in some sense you're right

6269
03:45:37,349 --> 03:45:35,760
about me denying

6270
03:45:39,349 --> 03:45:37,359
my own consciousness and i'm not doing

6271
03:45:42,229 --> 03:45:39,359
so consciously

6272
03:45:44,469 --> 03:45:42,239
at least i don't think so but i do have

6273
03:45:46,469 --> 03:45:44,479
a feeling that

6274
03:45:48,710 --> 03:45:46,479
there's a strong relationship between

6275
03:45:50,070 --> 03:45:48,720
what's evil and what

6276
03:45:53,750 --> 03:45:50,080
is

6277
03:45:55,750 --> 03:45:53,760
langan

6278
03:45:57,910 --> 03:45:55,760
formulation but there's also and

6279
03:46:00,469 --> 03:45:57,920
existence is tied with consciousness

6280
03:46:02,389 --> 03:46:00,479
and i imagine that one can be so

6281
03:46:03,429 --> 03:46:02,399
wrapped up in one's own

6282
03:46:07,990 --> 03:46:03,439
self

6283
03:46:10,070 --> 03:46:08,000
well yeah that's that's exactly that's

6284
03:46:12,389 --> 03:46:10,080
exactly what an atheist does an atheist

6285
03:46:13,670 --> 03:46:12,399
is one who is in denial of oneself as

6286
03:46:15,189 --> 03:46:13,680
god

6287
03:46:16,870 --> 03:46:15,199
well i would just say

6288
03:46:18,950 --> 03:46:16,880
forget about god forget about using that

6289
03:46:19,990 --> 03:46:18,960
word i would say that an atheist is in

6290
03:46:21,349 --> 03:46:20,000
denial

6291
03:46:22,870 --> 03:46:21,359
of

6292
03:46:25,269 --> 03:46:22,880
that's that's tricky i would say that an

6293
03:46:27,830 --> 03:46:25,279
atheist can be in denial of themselves

6294
03:46:29,750 --> 03:46:27,840
being conscious because they reject

6295
03:46:32,229 --> 03:46:29,760
existence to such a degree or they hate

6296
03:46:33,269 --> 03:46:32,239
it at some level

6297
03:46:34,630 --> 03:46:33,279
they don't they don't have to hate it

6298
03:46:37,030 --> 03:46:34,640
like when i was an atheist i would i

6299
03:46:39,510 --> 03:46:37,040
loved existence as an atheist um and if

6300
03:46:41,269 --> 03:46:39,520
someone as an atheist told me that i am

6301
03:46:42,710 --> 03:46:41,279
you know denying that i'm god i would

6302
03:46:45,189 --> 03:46:42,720
just laugh at them i would say they hate

6303
03:46:47,510 --> 03:46:45,199
it at some level and the reason is that

6304
03:46:48,550 --> 03:46:47,520
if you talk to an atheist

6305
03:46:50,790 --> 03:46:48,560
it's so

6306
03:46:52,469 --> 03:46:50,800
interesting to me they have a hatred for

6307
03:46:53,910 --> 03:46:52,479
god they don't

6308
03:46:55,590 --> 03:46:53,920
it's not simply that they don't believe

6309
03:46:57,030 --> 03:46:55,600
in god and the reason is i agree with

6310
03:46:58,950 --> 03:46:57,040
the reason is this

6311
03:47:01,510 --> 03:46:58,960
they hate the concept of it no not just

6312
03:47:03,830 --> 03:47:01,520
that they hate they would hate god if

6313
03:47:06,870 --> 03:47:03,840
god existed and the reason is they have

6314
03:47:08,550 --> 03:47:06,880
an arrogance about them they'll say that

6315
03:47:10,309 --> 03:47:08,560
well what about the problem of how the

6316
03:47:12,150 --> 03:47:10,319
heck is a problem the problem of

6317
03:47:13,830 --> 03:47:12,160
suffering even a problem it's because

6318
03:47:16,150 --> 03:47:13,840
you think you know better you think that

6319
03:47:18,150 --> 03:47:16,160
you that there should be no suffering

6320
03:47:19,510 --> 03:47:18,160
and then some atheists would even say i

6321
03:47:21,269 --> 03:47:19,520
don't want to live in a i don't want to

6322
03:47:23,910 --> 03:47:21,279
believe in a god that would allow a

6323
03:47:27,269 --> 03:47:23,920
child to be tortured and raped i would

6324
03:47:30,870 --> 03:47:29,110
yeah well that's just yeah they're just

6325
03:47:32,389 --> 03:47:30,880
fooling themselves there

6326
03:47:34,070 --> 03:47:32,399
they they're just not conscious enough

6327
03:47:37,590 --> 03:47:34,080
to see what evil really is or what

6328
03:47:42,710 --> 03:47:39,830
but i i i mean evil is just selfishness

6329
03:47:45,429 --> 03:47:43,830
which is equivalent to lack of

6330
03:47:47,030 --> 03:47:45,439
consciousness

6331
03:47:49,189 --> 03:47:47,040
so the less conscious you have the more

6332
03:47:50,229 --> 03:47:49,199
the more quote-unquote evil you're gonna

6333
03:47:52,469 --> 03:47:50,239
be

6334
03:47:53,910 --> 03:47:52,479
interesting by which by which we mean

6335
03:47:57,590 --> 03:47:53,920
you're gonna you're gonna take more

6336
03:47:59,030 --> 03:47:57,600
pleasure in actually uh negativity so

6337
03:48:00,150 --> 03:47:59,040
you might say like the lower your

6338
03:48:01,429 --> 03:48:00,160
consciousness the more pleasure you're

6339
03:48:03,510 --> 03:48:01,439
going to take and actually the suffering

6340
03:48:04,950 --> 03:48:03,520
of others so a really easy way to tell

6341
03:48:06,469 --> 03:48:04,960
whether somebody is high conscious or

6342
03:48:09,030 --> 03:48:06,479
low consciousness or how developed they

6343
03:48:11,269 --> 03:48:09,040
are is just take a look do they actually

6344
03:48:12,469 --> 03:48:11,279
derive pleasure from the suffering of

6345
03:48:14,710 --> 03:48:12,479
others

6346
03:48:16,950 --> 03:48:14,720
like us you know psychopathic people

6347
03:48:19,830 --> 03:48:16,960
will actually enjoy torturing animals

6348
03:48:22,070 --> 03:48:19,840
that's a very that's a telltale sign of

6349
03:48:23,830 --> 03:48:22,080
many uh early

6350
03:48:25,349 --> 03:48:23,840
signs of a psychopath is that they do

6351
03:48:27,110 --> 03:48:25,359
that in their childhood

6352
03:48:29,110 --> 03:48:27,120
or even like for example you watch

6353
03:48:30,630 --> 03:48:29,120
political news and you can actually see

6354
03:48:32,710 --> 03:48:30,640
sometimes something happens to the other

6355
03:48:34,389 --> 03:48:32,720
political party and some people are like

6356
03:48:35,830 --> 03:48:34,399
well but yeah i mean like that

6357
03:48:38,389 --> 03:48:35,840
republican died even though he was a

6358
03:48:40,389 --> 03:48:38,399
coveted denier he died and i don't and i

6359
03:48:42,630 --> 03:48:40,399
don't take any pleasure in his death he

6360
03:48:43,990 --> 03:48:42,640
was being foolish but i don't take any

6361
03:48:45,429 --> 03:48:44,000
pleasure in his death some some of the

6362
03:48:47,349 --> 03:48:45,439
higher conscious commentators will say

6363
03:48:49,349 --> 03:48:47,359
that that's a that's a high conscious

6364
03:48:51,349 --> 03:48:49,359
person a low conscious commentator will

6365
03:48:53,670 --> 03:48:51,359
say he died and he deserved it and i'm

6366
03:48:55,910 --> 03:48:53,680
kind of happy he died right

6367
03:48:58,309 --> 03:48:55,920
i see that plenty i recall you saying

6368
03:49:00,469 --> 03:48:58,319
that you disagree that the left and the

6369
03:49:02,790 --> 03:49:00,479
right are of equal

6370
03:49:04,309 --> 03:49:02,800
merit and that and that that's somewhat

6371
03:49:06,389 --> 03:49:04,319
of a naive view

6372
03:49:07,990 --> 03:49:06,399
and you believe that the conservative

6373
03:49:10,229 --> 03:49:08,000
side at least as it currently is

6374
03:49:12,229 --> 03:49:10,239
formulated at least within the popular

6375
03:49:14,550 --> 03:49:12,239
news pundits are more

6376
03:49:17,510 --> 03:49:14,560
likely to lie and be

6377
03:49:20,150 --> 03:49:17,520
prone to tribalism and so on compared to

6378
03:49:22,870 --> 03:49:20,160
the left i don't agree with that i

6379
03:49:25,510 --> 03:49:22,880
i mean and especially not now especially

6380
03:49:27,590 --> 03:49:25,520
seeing the hatred toward anything that's

6381
03:49:31,110 --> 03:49:27,600
like trump or anything that's like a

6382
03:49:34,229 --> 03:49:31,120
trump supporter i see them as

6383
03:49:36,710 --> 03:49:34,239
being so unwilling to give trump any

6384
03:49:39,030 --> 03:49:36,720
credit for anything positive and if

6385
03:49:41,030 --> 03:49:39,040
that's true of course something positive

6386
03:49:43,510 --> 03:49:41,040
it was by accident or through his

6387
03:49:45,510 --> 03:49:43,520
selfishness he has done nothing for the

6388
03:49:47,750 --> 03:49:45,520
good of america by with

6389
03:49:49,429 --> 03:49:47,760
with any good intention on his part

6390
03:49:51,429 --> 03:49:49,439
and i i don't see that as characterizing

6391
03:49:54,150 --> 03:49:51,439
any human there's almost no human that's

6392
03:49:56,070 --> 03:49:54,160
completely good nor completely evil

6393
03:49:58,229 --> 03:49:56,080
sure of course

6394
03:49:59,990 --> 03:49:58,239
i would agree with that

6395
03:50:01,189 --> 03:50:00,000
so then this also reminds me of sam

6396
03:50:02,710 --> 03:50:01,199
harris

6397
03:50:05,189 --> 03:50:02,720
so there's a couple you remind me a

6398
03:50:07,110 --> 03:50:05,199
couple couple people so tom thomas can

6399
03:50:08,630 --> 03:50:07,120
can we take a quick break here for yeah

6400
03:50:09,750 --> 03:50:08,640
sure sure

6401
03:50:11,990 --> 03:50:09,760
okay yeah and i'm going to reset the

6402
03:50:13,830 --> 03:50:12,000
camera too all right man

6403
03:50:15,670 --> 03:50:13,840
there's so many problems that i have

6404
03:50:17,429 --> 03:50:15,680
with the moral landscape

6405
03:50:19,429 --> 03:50:17,439
in terms of in principle problems let

6406
03:50:21,110 --> 03:50:19,439
alone practical problems and one of them

6407
03:50:24,710 --> 03:50:21,120
is that it's not even clear to me that a

6408
03:50:26,309 --> 03:50:24,720
state of all suffering is possible given

6409
03:50:28,150 --> 03:50:26,319
what you just said which is

6410
03:50:29,349 --> 03:50:28,160
some people derive the most pleasure

6411
03:50:31,110 --> 03:50:29,359
from

6412
03:50:32,710 --> 03:50:31,120
committing suffering to others i don't

6413
03:50:34,710 --> 03:50:32,720
know if it's physically possible to have

6414
03:50:36,870 --> 03:50:34,720
a state where there's the most suffering

6415
03:50:39,510 --> 03:50:36,880
for all beings simultaneously and then

6416
03:50:40,389 --> 03:50:39,520
even if so it's not like well i have

6417
03:50:41,349 --> 03:50:40,399
many

6418
03:50:43,670 --> 03:50:41,359
different

6419
03:50:44,950 --> 03:50:43,680
critiques about that but either way i'm

6420
03:50:47,830 --> 03:50:44,960
curious what you think about sam

6421
03:50:50,150 --> 03:50:47,840
harris's moral landscape additionally

6422
03:50:51,830 --> 03:50:50,160
you mentioned well it has to be true for

6423
03:50:53,349 --> 03:50:51,840
you truth is

6424
03:50:55,269 --> 03:50:53,359
strange it's absolute and relative at

6425
03:50:56,710 --> 03:50:55,279
the same time which reminds me of thomas

6426
03:50:58,710 --> 03:50:56,720
campbell so i'm going to ask you about

6427
03:51:00,229 --> 03:50:58,720
sam harris your views

6428
03:51:02,389 --> 03:51:00,239
and then thomas campbell so let's go on

6429
03:51:03,750 --> 03:51:02,399
sam harris and the moral landscape so

6430
03:51:05,670 --> 03:51:03,760
i've not read the moral landscape i'm

6431
03:51:07,830 --> 03:51:05,680
more familiar with his like metaphysical

6432
03:51:09,670 --> 03:51:07,840
views and his

6433
03:51:13,030 --> 03:51:09,680
views on awakening and stuff if you want

6434
03:51:15,990 --> 03:51:13,040
to summarize to me um what his views

6435
03:51:17,830 --> 03:51:16,000
like like for example uh um i mean i i

6436
03:51:19,590 --> 03:51:17,840
do generally consider sam harris sort of

6437
03:51:20,950 --> 03:51:19,600
what i would call a moralist in other

6438
03:51:22,790 --> 03:51:20,960
words he actually believes there's sort

6439
03:51:24,630 --> 03:51:22,800
of like an objective right and wrong or

6440
03:51:26,389 --> 03:51:24,640
good and bad yeah so i would disagree

6441
03:51:27,429 --> 03:51:26,399
with him on that on that

6442
03:51:29,030 --> 03:51:27,439
um

6443
03:51:30,710 --> 03:51:29,040
all all good

6444
03:51:32,469 --> 03:51:30,720
is relative

6445
03:51:33,830 --> 03:51:32,479
so

6446
03:51:41,349 --> 03:51:33,840
that's just what you'll discover as you

6447
03:51:44,469 --> 03:51:42,550
it's basically you're going to find that

6448
03:51:47,429 --> 03:51:44,479
it's impossible to define what is good

6449
03:51:48,630 --> 03:51:47,439
or what is bad in any kind of finite way

6450
03:51:50,389 --> 03:51:48,640
like for example if we're talking about

6451
03:51:52,630 --> 03:51:50,399
what's good for humanity

6452
03:51:55,030 --> 03:51:52,640
you can't actually define that

6453
03:51:57,110 --> 03:51:55,040
because humanity is a bunch of disparate

6454
03:51:59,510 --> 03:51:57,120
agents they all have their own agendas

6455
03:52:01,429 --> 03:51:59,520
and selves and finite selves that

6456
03:52:03,910 --> 03:52:01,439
they're trying to survive so what we

6457
03:52:05,269 --> 03:52:03,920
really mean by good the the normal human

6458
03:52:07,510 --> 03:52:05,279
relative sense of good if we're not

6459
03:52:09,510 --> 03:52:07,520
talking about absolute good is just like

6460
03:52:13,910 --> 03:52:09,520
what is

6461
03:52:15,830 --> 03:52:13,920
ego and you can have egos at different

6462
03:52:18,469 --> 03:52:15,840
levels of development and different

6463
03:52:20,309 --> 03:52:18,479
degrees of consciousness and some egos

6464
03:52:23,349 --> 03:52:20,319
are more expanded some egos are more

6465
03:52:25,590 --> 03:52:23,359
contracted and so and we have

6466
03:52:26,790 --> 03:52:25,600
seven or eight billion egos on this

6467
03:52:27,910 --> 03:52:26,800
planet and there's going to be a lot

6468
03:52:29,030 --> 03:52:27,920
more of them

6469
03:52:30,070 --> 03:52:29,040
in the future

6470
03:52:31,990 --> 03:52:30,080
and so

6471
03:52:34,150 --> 03:52:32,000
there is no possible way that you can

6472
03:52:35,670 --> 03:52:34,160
come up with a unified definition of

6473
03:52:37,269 --> 03:52:35,680
what is good for all of them there's

6474
03:52:39,110 --> 03:52:37,279
always going to be trade-offs and this

6475
03:52:40,389 --> 03:52:39,120
is why we have the kind of chaos we see

6476
03:52:41,590 --> 03:52:40,399
in our political system

6477
03:52:43,750 --> 03:52:41,600
is that when you have a radical

6478
03:52:45,590 --> 03:52:43,760
democracy where everyone gets to vote

6479
03:52:46,630 --> 03:52:45,600
everyone is voting for their own self

6480
03:52:51,189 --> 03:52:46,640
agenda

6481
03:52:54,790 --> 03:52:52,950
unless they're infinitely selfless which

6482
03:52:55,830 --> 03:52:54,800
nobody is basically

6483
03:52:57,990 --> 03:52:55,840
they're all going to have their own

6484
03:52:59,750 --> 03:52:58,000
biases and and

6485
03:53:01,750 --> 03:52:59,760
interests and there's always going to be

6486
03:53:03,750 --> 03:53:01,760
competition between all that

6487
03:53:05,750 --> 03:53:03,760
like even if we were to you know meet

6488
03:53:07,590 --> 03:53:05,760
aliens let's say aliens land on the

6489
03:53:09,990 --> 03:53:07,600
white house law and tomorrow and they

6490
03:53:11,750 --> 03:53:10,000
are very conscious loving aliens

6491
03:53:13,590 --> 03:53:11,760
but they are still going to be finite

6492
03:53:15,189 --> 03:53:13,600
and their agenda

6493
03:53:16,469 --> 03:53:15,199
might be you know a beautiful agenda

6494
03:53:19,030 --> 03:53:16,479
relatively speaking but it's not going

6495
03:53:20,229 --> 03:53:19,040
to be some absolute agenda and we are

6496
03:53:22,070 --> 03:53:20,239
still going to have to negotiate with

6497
03:53:23,910 --> 03:53:22,080
their agenda and our agenda and to see

6498
03:53:25,110 --> 03:53:23,920
you know how are we going to negotiate

6499
03:53:26,790 --> 03:53:25,120
that with the politics of it should be

6500
03:53:28,389 --> 03:53:26,800
it's going to be very messy and you

6501
03:53:29,830 --> 03:53:28,399
can't say what's really good or bad in

6502
03:53:32,630 --> 03:53:29,840
that

6503
03:53:34,710 --> 03:53:32,640
it's it's very relativistic as far as

6504
03:53:36,950 --> 03:53:34,720
sam's metaphysics

6505
03:53:38,550 --> 03:53:36,960
he wrote a book called awake i believe

6506
03:53:40,389 --> 03:53:38,560
or something like that waking up is that

6507
03:53:43,030 --> 03:53:40,399
what his book his podcast used to be

6508
03:53:44,790 --> 03:53:43,040
called that now he changed it um

6509
03:53:46,550 --> 03:53:44,800
it's because of that book

6510
03:53:48,389 --> 03:53:46,560
actually i got the same just so you know

6511
03:53:49,910 --> 03:53:48,399
between podcaster or youtuber to

6512
03:53:52,229 --> 03:53:49,920
youtuber to the degree you can call

6513
03:53:54,150 --> 03:53:52,239
ourselves youtube that i was given the

6514
03:53:55,990 --> 03:53:54,160
advice kurt change your podcast name

6515
03:53:57,510 --> 03:53:56,000
from better left unsaid which is what it

6516
03:53:59,750 --> 03:53:57,520
used to be about a year ago

6517
03:54:01,030 --> 03:53:59,760
to something else because i have a film

6518
03:54:02,550 --> 03:54:01,040
coming out called better left instead

6519
03:54:04,309 --> 03:54:02,560
and people are going to get confused and

6520
03:54:06,150 --> 03:54:04,319
this person who's given me this vice

6521
03:54:08,389 --> 03:54:06,160
advice is a close friend of sam harris

6522
03:54:10,630 --> 03:54:08,399
and he said sam harris has the same

6523
03:54:12,389 --> 03:54:10,640
problem or had the same problem which is

6524
03:54:14,550 --> 03:54:12,399
why he calls it making sense now because

6525
03:54:16,309 --> 03:54:14,560
he had a book called i believe it's

6526
03:54:18,550 --> 03:54:16,319
awakening or what is it called what was

6527
03:54:19,990 --> 03:54:18,560
waking up i think waking up right it was

6528
03:54:21,830 --> 03:54:20,000
a book called that and then you confuse

6529
03:54:24,710 --> 03:54:21,840
it with the podcast and people conflate

6530
03:54:26,630 --> 03:54:24,720
the two so keep them separate

6531
03:54:28,870 --> 03:54:26,640
for legal reasons and just just for the

6532
03:54:30,550 --> 03:54:28,880
public okay continue sorry

6533
03:54:32,790 --> 03:54:30,560
yeah well it's also misleading because

6534
03:54:34,150 --> 03:54:32,800
he's not fully awake so he doesn't

6535
03:54:35,590 --> 03:54:34,160
really he doesn't really understand what

6536
03:54:39,349 --> 03:54:35,600
he's talking about when he's talking

6537
03:54:41,590 --> 03:54:39,359
about non-duality and god and and and no

6538
03:54:43,670 --> 03:54:41,600
self so he's had some degree of

6539
03:54:45,990 --> 03:54:43,680
awakening into what i would call the

6540
03:54:48,309 --> 03:54:46,000
truth of no self what buddhists call

6541
03:54:50,469 --> 03:54:48,319
anata the truth of no self and that's of

6542
03:54:52,550 --> 03:54:50,479
course valid it's a valid and important

6543
03:54:54,550 --> 03:54:52,560
facet it's an it's usually an early

6544
03:54:56,070 --> 03:54:54,560
stage of awakening is when you realize

6545
03:54:59,510 --> 03:54:56,080
that the

6546
03:55:03,269 --> 03:55:01,590
ego self is actually a mental

6547
03:55:05,510 --> 03:55:03,279
construction it's not a physical thing

6548
03:55:07,349 --> 03:55:05,520
that exists in the universe

6549
03:55:09,590 --> 03:55:07,359
so that's what he's realized and that's

6550
03:55:10,870 --> 03:55:09,600
what he kind of teaches that

6551
03:55:12,710 --> 03:55:10,880
and

6552
03:55:15,030 --> 03:55:12,720
no you know

6553
03:55:16,550 --> 03:55:15,040
and so that that's valid but the pro but

6554
03:55:18,630 --> 03:55:16,560
the problem is that there are much

6555
03:55:19,830 --> 03:55:18,640
higher degrees of awakening

6556
03:55:21,830 --> 03:55:19,840
uh

6557
03:55:24,309 --> 03:55:21,840
and then ultimately god realization and

6558
03:55:26,710 --> 03:55:24,319
infinite states of consciousness which

6559
03:55:29,189 --> 03:55:26,720
which actually get you to understand the

6560
03:55:30,950 --> 03:55:29,199
very fabric of existence itself and he

6561
03:55:32,870 --> 03:55:30,960
has obviously not penetrated into that

6562
03:55:34,710 --> 03:55:32,880
because he doesn't know he can't speak

6563
03:55:37,110 --> 03:55:34,720
about what truth is for example you ask

6564
03:55:38,870 --> 03:55:37,120
him what truth is he can't tell you

6565
03:55:40,150 --> 03:55:38,880
you ask him where existence came from he

6566
03:55:41,590 --> 03:55:40,160
can't tell you

6567
03:55:43,189 --> 03:55:41,600
he's just going to say well we don't

6568
03:55:44,550 --> 03:55:43,199
know and it's impossible to know you

6569
03:55:46,630 --> 03:55:44,560
know it's that's not something i'm

6570
03:55:49,269 --> 03:55:46,640
supposed to be able to answer but

6571
03:55:51,590 --> 03:55:49,279
the whole point of awakening to truly

6572
03:55:53,590 --> 03:55:51,600
awaken means that you you have answered

6573
03:55:55,670 --> 03:55:53,600
all existential questions the biggest

6574
03:55:56,469 --> 03:55:55,680
ones you know where it came from why it

6575
03:55:58,150 --> 03:55:56,479
exists

6576
03:56:00,630 --> 03:55:58,160
what love is you know what truth is you

6577
03:56:01,670 --> 03:56:00,640
know what's absolute um

6578
03:56:03,269 --> 03:56:01,680
um

6579
03:56:04,630 --> 03:56:03,279
and you can easily talk about these

6580
03:56:06,389 --> 03:56:04,640
things

6581
03:56:08,389 --> 03:56:06,399
uh without a bunch of

6582
03:56:10,790 --> 03:56:08,399
you know

6583
03:56:11,590 --> 03:56:10,800
conceptual or philosophical sort of like

6584
03:56:13,030 --> 03:56:11,600
uh

6585
03:56:15,349 --> 03:56:13,040
waffling

6586
03:56:18,309 --> 03:56:15,359
um and and you're also not gonna be

6587
03:56:22,630 --> 03:56:19,990
so he's not he's not conscious that he's

6588
03:56:25,269 --> 03:56:22,640
god fundamentally that's the problem

6589
03:56:27,510 --> 03:56:25,279
so if he would humble himself and open

6590
03:56:29,670 --> 03:56:27,520
his mind more and continue with the work

6591
03:56:32,070 --> 03:56:29,680
rather than doing his podcast

6592
03:56:34,309 --> 03:56:32,080
he would eventually reach a stage where

6593
03:56:35,189 --> 03:56:34,319
his entire sense of reality and mind

6594
03:56:37,030 --> 03:56:35,199
would collapse he would have an

6595
03:56:39,110 --> 03:56:37,040
existential crisis it would be very

6596
03:56:41,510 --> 03:56:39,120
painful for him because he has deep

6597
03:56:43,269 --> 03:56:41,520
attachments to materialism but he would

6598
03:56:45,429 --> 03:56:43,279
see past that and eventually he would

6599
03:56:47,830 --> 03:56:45,439
become god realized and he would realize

6600
03:56:50,550 --> 03:56:47,840
that he is god dreaming up

6601
03:56:52,630 --> 03:56:50,560
the entire sam harris persona which he's

6602
03:56:55,189 --> 03:56:52,640
still playing and i don't blame him i

6603
03:56:56,870 --> 03:56:55,199
mean it's fun to play sam harris

6604
03:56:59,429 --> 03:56:56,880
i'm sure you

6605
03:57:01,510 --> 03:56:59,439
i'm sure he gets paid well and so forth

6606
03:57:03,349 --> 03:57:01,520
why do you think it is because he has

6607
03:57:05,750 --> 03:57:03,359
experimented publicly so with

6608
03:57:07,830 --> 03:57:05,760
psychedelics right to a large degree why

6609
03:57:10,070 --> 03:57:07,840
do you think it is that he hasn't had a

6610
03:57:12,870 --> 03:57:10,080
huge encounter a terrifying encounter

6611
03:57:15,349 --> 03:57:12,880
with god or with love or with his

6612
03:57:17,349 --> 03:57:15,359
atheism coming to dissolution well first

6613
03:57:19,110 --> 03:57:17,359
of all i would say he did it to a small

6614
03:57:20,870 --> 03:57:19,120
degree to not to a large degree of

6615
03:57:22,150 --> 03:57:20,880
course large and smaller relative

6616
03:57:24,150 --> 03:57:22,160
notions

6617
03:57:26,309 --> 03:57:24,160
but from what i understand he has not

6618
03:57:27,269 --> 03:57:26,319
really done a lot of psychedelics

6619
03:57:28,950 --> 03:57:27,279
um

6620
03:57:31,429 --> 03:57:28,960
at very high doses

6621
03:57:34,070 --> 03:57:31,439
and also because he has a very dense

6622
03:57:36,389 --> 03:57:34,080
materialistic mind his mind is very much

6623
03:57:38,790 --> 03:57:36,399
enmeshed not with just with materialism

6624
03:57:41,189 --> 03:57:38,800
but also with philosophy and science and

6625
03:57:42,870 --> 03:57:41,199
his moral philosophy and his

6626
03:57:45,510 --> 03:57:42,880
intellectual persona as a public

6627
03:57:47,830 --> 03:57:45,520
intellectual right and his whole

6628
03:57:50,229 --> 03:57:47,840
business model and his whole brand is

6629
03:57:53,030 --> 03:57:50,239
that the people who follow sam harris

6630
03:57:54,950 --> 03:57:53,040
are spiro dynamic stage orange highly

6631
03:57:56,469 --> 03:57:54,960
rational skeptical atheistic people

6632
03:57:59,349 --> 03:57:56,479
that's his brand

6633
03:58:01,510 --> 03:57:59,359
he he like probably 80 90 of his

6634
03:58:03,830 --> 03:58:01,520
audience you know his most rabid fan

6635
03:58:04,790 --> 03:58:03,840
base are those people and what he sells

6636
03:58:07,990 --> 03:58:04,800
them

6637
03:58:11,670 --> 03:58:10,070
a philosophy that buttresses and

6638
03:58:13,429 --> 03:58:11,680
reinforces

6639
03:58:16,550 --> 03:58:13,439
their worldview in the same way that you

6640
03:58:19,030 --> 03:58:16,560
know a conservative fox news uh host

6641
03:58:20,309 --> 03:58:19,040
like tucker carlson what he's selling is

6642
03:58:22,309 --> 03:58:20,319
he's selling

6643
03:58:24,389 --> 03:58:22,319
propaganda to reinforce the world view

6644
03:58:26,150 --> 03:58:24,399
of those people who he's appealing to

6645
03:58:27,670 --> 03:58:26,160
you know the conservatives and that's

6646
03:58:28,630 --> 03:58:27,680
what sam harris is doing but at a higher

6647
03:58:31,429 --> 03:58:28,640
level

6648
03:58:33,429 --> 03:58:31,439
and so um for him to have a god

6649
03:58:34,710 --> 03:58:33,439
realization and then to come back and to

6650
03:58:37,590 --> 03:58:34,720
tell all those people hey guys you know

6651
03:58:40,229 --> 03:58:37,600
i'm sorry i was wrong actually i'm god

6652
03:58:42,309 --> 03:58:40,239
for him to do that that would be so

6653
03:58:43,830 --> 03:58:42,319
antithetical to his survival agenda like

6654
03:58:46,229 --> 03:58:43,840
it would be extremely threatening it

6655
03:58:48,389 --> 03:58:46,239
would be very painful and he would lose

6656
03:58:49,510 --> 03:58:48,399
half of his audience i mean he could do

6657
03:58:51,349 --> 03:58:49,520
that but

6658
03:58:53,830 --> 03:58:51,359
it would be very difficult

6659
03:58:55,510 --> 03:58:53,840
so i and i empathize i'm not criticizing

6660
03:58:58,309 --> 03:58:55,520
him for it i i empathize with how

6661
03:58:59,510 --> 03:58:58,319
difficult that would be to do

6662
03:59:01,349 --> 03:58:59,520
in the same way that it would be very

6663
03:59:03,349 --> 03:59:01,359
difficult for

6664
03:59:04,790 --> 03:59:03,359
for a suicide bomber to admit you know

6665
03:59:07,269 --> 03:59:04,800
hey guys

6666
03:59:08,309 --> 03:59:07,279
my notion of allah was all and

6667
03:59:11,189 --> 03:59:08,319
you know what i don't have to kill

6668
03:59:12,389 --> 03:59:11,199
people to appease allah or whatever like

6669
03:59:13,990 --> 03:59:12,399
that would be very difficult for a

6670
03:59:16,070 --> 03:59:14,000
suicide bomber to admit that and to

6671
03:59:18,790 --> 03:59:16,080
reform himself because he's so steeped

6672
03:59:20,309 --> 03:59:18,800
in that ideology and his entire life is

6673
03:59:22,389 --> 03:59:20,319
in business and his career and his

6674
03:59:25,590 --> 03:59:22,399
family they're all tied in with that

6675
03:59:29,830 --> 03:59:27,670
is through that ideology so ideology is

6676
03:59:31,670 --> 03:59:29,840
the most dangerous thing and ideology is

6677
03:59:34,150 --> 03:59:31,680
not just something stupid religious

6678
03:59:37,349 --> 03:59:34,160
people have it it's not just for about

6679
03:59:38,950 --> 03:59:37,359
topics ideology very much exists

6680
03:59:41,990 --> 03:59:38,960
within science

6681
03:59:46,229 --> 03:59:42,000
and philosophy as rationalism this very

6682
03:59:50,950 --> 03:59:48,550
arrogant

6683
03:59:52,830 --> 03:59:50,960
attachment to a material

6684
03:59:56,309 --> 03:59:52,840
logical

6685
03:59:59,110 --> 03:59:56,319
universe and anything that

6686
04:00:00,870 --> 03:59:59,120
contradicts that gets demonized as

6687
04:00:02,309 --> 04:00:00,880
woo-woo or whatever it just it gets

6688
04:00:08,469 --> 04:00:02,319
ignored

6689
04:00:12,630 --> 04:00:10,229
i never thought of it like that with

6690
04:00:15,110 --> 04:00:12,640
respect to taking a psychedelic and then

6691
04:00:17,590 --> 04:00:15,120
it not totally shattering your world

6692
04:00:19,030 --> 04:00:17,600
view because your world view is so

6693
04:00:20,389 --> 04:00:19,040
entrenched

6694
04:00:22,710 --> 04:00:20,399
oh yeah that's

6695
04:00:23,590 --> 04:00:22,720
yeah because what what the psychedelic

6696
04:00:25,590 --> 04:00:23,600
will do

6697
04:00:27,830 --> 04:00:25,600
if you do enough of them is that they

6698
04:00:29,590 --> 04:00:27,840
will it the psychedelic is trying to

6699
04:00:31,590 --> 04:00:29,600
expand your consciousness but your

6700
04:00:33,670 --> 04:00:31,600
consciousness can only expand as much as

6701
04:00:35,670 --> 04:00:33,680
you're willing it to expand

6702
04:00:37,590 --> 04:00:35,680
so if your mind is not radically open

6703
04:00:39,429 --> 04:00:37,600
and you know yours is

6704
04:00:41,590 --> 04:00:39,439
unlike most people's so for you might be

6705
04:00:45,349 --> 04:00:41,600
difficult to actually empathize with

6706
04:00:46,550 --> 04:00:45,359
somebody who's got a very close mind um

6707
04:00:49,189 --> 04:00:46,560
it is that way for me to i'm very

6708
04:00:51,830 --> 04:00:49,199
open-minded i have to be to do this work

6709
04:00:53,590 --> 04:00:51,840
um but there were there were things that

6710
04:00:55,510 --> 04:00:53,600
i learned through psychedelics that are

6711
04:00:57,750 --> 04:00:55,520
were so radical it would it created

6712
04:00:59,349 --> 04:00:57,760
existential crises for me that i would

6713
04:01:01,750 --> 04:00:59,359
have to sit and just you know

6714
04:01:03,670 --> 04:01:01,760
um curl up into a ball

6715
04:01:05,510 --> 04:01:03,680
and just lie there on the floor

6716
04:01:07,269 --> 04:01:05,520
integrating this thing you really have

6717
04:01:09,030 --> 04:01:07,279
to go through all of your psychological

6718
04:01:11,510 --> 04:01:09,040
baggage before the psychedelics will

6719
04:01:13,030 --> 04:01:11,520
allow you to expand consciousness into

6720
04:01:15,110 --> 04:01:13,040
the deep

6721
04:01:18,070 --> 04:01:15,120
metaphysical and existential and

6722
04:01:19,429 --> 04:01:18,080
epistemological framework of reality and

6723
04:01:20,550 --> 04:01:19,439
that's exactly what most people

6724
04:01:22,070 --> 04:01:20,560
encounter on psychedelics because they

6725
04:01:23,910 --> 04:01:22,080
take a psychedelic but they don't have

6726
04:01:26,710 --> 04:01:23,920
the intellectual framework

6727
04:01:28,630 --> 04:01:26,720
and they have so much trauma fear

6728
04:01:30,389 --> 04:01:28,640
attachment and psychological baggage

6729
04:01:31,670 --> 04:01:30,399
it'll take them years to work through

6730
04:01:33,349 --> 04:01:31,680
that

6731
04:01:35,110 --> 04:01:33,359
many trip dozens of trips to work

6732
04:01:37,910 --> 04:01:35,120
through that until you clear all that

6733
04:01:39,990 --> 04:01:37,920
out and then finally you can say okay

6734
04:01:42,150 --> 04:01:40,000
i'm no longer afraid i'm no longer

6735
04:01:44,830 --> 04:01:42,160
anxious i've gotten rid of all my trauma

6736
04:01:46,950 --> 04:01:44,840
now show me what reality

6737
04:01:48,389 --> 04:01:46,960
is and then

6738
04:01:50,389 --> 04:01:48,399
you'll be shown

6739
04:01:51,590 --> 04:01:50,399
but it does takes a lot of work for most

6740
04:01:53,110 --> 04:01:51,600
people

6741
04:01:55,349 --> 04:01:53,120
okay i'm going to get personal and so

6742
04:01:57,269 --> 04:01:55,359
i'll probably bleep my name or just

6743
04:01:59,030 --> 04:01:57,279
remove this one part but leave your

6744
04:02:02,070 --> 04:01:59,040
answer to this

6745
04:02:04,550 --> 04:02:02,080
when i took psychedelics for the first

6746
04:02:06,389 --> 04:02:04,560
time i wasn't expecting first of all i

6747
04:02:08,790 --> 04:02:06,399
didn't know what to expect and i was

6748
04:02:11,110 --> 04:02:08,800
what what one would call a hard-nosed

6749
04:02:13,110 --> 04:02:11,120
atheist and i pretty much was even after

6750
04:02:14,870 --> 04:02:13,120
that it's not as if it shook my atheism

6751
04:02:16,790 --> 04:02:14,880
it shook my ideas to what consciousness

6752
04:02:20,070 --> 04:02:16,800
could be but not my atheism

6753
04:02:21,910 --> 04:02:20,080
and i took a regular dose one tab and it

6754
04:02:23,910 --> 04:02:21,920
and i remember

6755
04:02:25,349 --> 04:02:23,920
i'm just telling you this personally leo

6756
04:02:26,469 --> 04:02:25,359
because i'm curious to know what you

6757
04:02:28,710 --> 04:02:26,479
think so i remember just going to the

6758
04:02:29,990 --> 04:02:28,720
mirror and feeling like i couldn't

6759
04:02:31,670 --> 04:02:30,000
control my breath

6760
04:02:33,590 --> 04:02:31,680
and that was so terrifying i went on the

6761
04:02:35,189 --> 04:02:33,600
floor i couldn't speak and then two of

6762
04:02:36,469 --> 04:02:35,199
the people that i was with came to me

6763
04:02:39,349 --> 04:02:36,479
and looked at me and said like are you

6764
04:02:41,269 --> 04:02:39,359
okay okay and i said ask me only

6765
04:02:43,030 --> 04:02:41,279
yes or no

6766
04:02:44,950 --> 04:02:43,040
questions and i couldn't even because i

6767
04:02:47,590 --> 04:02:44,960
couldn't say it with emotions emotions

6768
04:02:49,910 --> 04:02:47,600
for me to display an emotion was far too

6769
04:02:51,670 --> 04:02:49,920
much effort i could feel it terrifyingly

6770
04:02:53,269 --> 04:02:51,680
in the back and i but luckily i had

6771
04:02:55,590 --> 04:02:53,279
enough i was cognitive enough for them

6772
04:02:57,110 --> 04:02:55,600
to say that okay for me to say that okay

6773
04:02:58,630 --> 04:02:57,120
then they were a bit worried about me

6774
04:02:59,990 --> 04:02:58,640
and it came in waves and so on okay

6775
04:03:02,229 --> 04:03:00,000
that's cons that's traditional

6776
04:03:03,110 --> 04:03:02,239
psychedelics comes in waves

6777
04:03:05,349 --> 04:03:03,120
and

6778
04:03:07,910 --> 04:03:05,359
but i would have thought

6779
04:03:10,870 --> 04:03:07,920
that my previous world view would was

6780
04:03:11,990 --> 04:03:10,880
extremely

6781
04:03:15,990 --> 04:03:12,000
i i would have

6782
04:03:20,790 --> 04:03:17,910
toughly built home

6783
04:03:22,389 --> 04:03:20,800
steel girders and so on and

6784
04:03:24,389 --> 04:03:22,399
but the psychedelic i took wasn't

6785
04:03:25,990 --> 04:03:24,399
hurricanes worth it was pretty much a

6786
04:03:28,550 --> 04:03:26,000
wind's worth like but i don't know why

6787
04:03:30,229 --> 04:03:28,560
that wind blew my house down however the

6788
04:03:33,110 --> 04:03:30,239
other person i'm with

6789
04:03:34,550 --> 04:03:33,120
he is also a staunched atheist

6790
04:03:36,150 --> 04:03:34,560
materialist

6791
04:03:37,429 --> 04:03:36,160
but hasn't thought much about his own

6792
04:03:40,229 --> 04:03:37,439
philosophy

6793
04:03:41,269 --> 04:03:40,239
that's that's the key and he no no but

6794
04:03:49,670 --> 04:03:41,279
he

6795
04:03:51,590 --> 04:03:49,680
takes even larger doses and just views

6796
04:03:55,269 --> 04:03:51,600
it as oh i can see the walls changing

6797
04:03:59,269 --> 04:03:57,429
it's extremely easy to explain because

6798
04:04:01,750 --> 04:03:59,279
it's obvious that your mind actually

6799
04:04:03,750 --> 04:04:01,760
wants to understand the very fabric of

6800
04:04:06,229 --> 04:04:03,760
existence like this is your whole thing

6801
04:04:08,710 --> 04:04:06,239
you're you want the toe you want you

6802
04:04:10,150 --> 04:04:08,720
want the understanding whereas

6803
04:04:11,670 --> 04:04:10,160
you have to understand that most people

6804
04:04:14,309 --> 04:04:11,680
don't care about philosophical or

6805
04:04:15,910 --> 04:04:14,319
metaphysical topics at all like it

6806
04:04:17,269 --> 04:04:15,920
doesn't even interest them to most

6807
04:04:19,110 --> 04:04:17,279
people you take a guy off the street you

6808
04:04:20,790 --> 04:04:19,120
say hey do you want to know what the

6809
04:04:23,110 --> 04:04:20,800
why the universe exists and he'll be

6810
04:04:24,469 --> 04:04:23,120
like sure tell me and then you tell him

6811
04:04:26,630 --> 04:04:24,479
and he's like okay cool and he just goes

6812
04:04:28,070 --> 04:04:26,640
by about his day like he doesn't care he

6813
04:04:30,950 --> 04:04:28,080
doesn't it doesn't land on him he

6814
04:04:33,269 --> 04:04:30,960
doesn't realize the significance of this

6815
04:04:34,870 --> 04:04:33,279
and he's not thinking deeply about

6816
04:04:36,790 --> 04:04:34,880
mathematics and physics and trying to

6817
04:04:38,950 --> 04:04:36,800
connect everything together into some

6818
04:04:41,030 --> 04:04:38,960
larger thing and like no he's just going

6819
04:04:42,710 --> 04:04:41,040
about his life you know all he cares

6820
04:04:43,910 --> 04:04:42,720
about is like sex and food and simple

6821
04:04:46,070 --> 04:04:43,920
things like this

6822
04:04:48,309 --> 04:04:46,080
and survival

6823
04:04:50,870 --> 04:04:48,319
also he's not as open-minded as you

6824
04:04:52,309 --> 04:04:50,880
you're probably the one top

6825
04:04:54,389 --> 04:04:52,319
top one percent

6826
04:04:56,469 --> 04:04:54,399
of the world in terms of open-mindedness

6827
04:04:58,309 --> 04:04:56,479
whereas he may just be a close-minded

6828
04:05:00,309 --> 04:04:58,319
person by his you know five personality

6829
04:05:02,710 --> 04:05:00,319
type temperament or whatever

6830
04:05:05,110 --> 04:05:02,720
um furthermore another important aspect

6831
04:05:06,630 --> 04:05:05,120
there's layers to to why psychedelics

6832
04:05:08,309 --> 04:05:06,640
are so complex

6833
04:05:10,389 --> 04:05:08,319
is that you can't assume that

6834
04:05:12,309 --> 04:05:10,399
psychedelics affect everybody the same

6835
04:05:14,710 --> 04:05:12,319
at a physiological level right so we

6836
04:05:16,550 --> 04:05:14,720
tend to we tend to assume that like well

6837
04:05:18,070 --> 04:05:16,560
if i take one tab of lsd and my friend

6838
04:05:19,510 --> 04:05:18,080
takes a type of lsd we should have the

6839
04:05:22,229 --> 04:05:19,520
same experience

6840
04:05:24,150 --> 04:05:22,239
no not at all like i am extremely

6841
04:05:25,670 --> 04:05:24,160
sensitive to psychedelics if i take a

6842
04:05:27,910 --> 04:05:25,680
psychedelic it's going to be about three

6843
04:05:29,189 --> 04:05:27,920
times more potent than it will be for an

6844
04:05:31,670 --> 04:05:29,199
average person

6845
04:05:33,830 --> 04:05:31,680
i've tested this and figured it out with

6846
04:05:36,870 --> 04:05:33,840
you know looking at how other people do

6847
04:05:38,870 --> 04:05:36,880
it yeah so like it's a v

6848
04:05:40,710 --> 04:05:38,880
it's it's a very so some people are

6849
04:05:42,150 --> 04:05:40,720
extremely sensitive conversely other

6850
04:05:43,670 --> 04:05:42,160
people have extreme tolerances i know

6851
04:05:45,670 --> 04:05:43,680
some people like on my forum that will

6852
04:05:47,670 --> 04:05:45,680
say they do 500

6853
04:05:48,790 --> 04:05:47,680
micrograms of lsd and to them that's

6854
04:05:51,349 --> 04:05:48,800
like

6855
04:05:53,910 --> 04:05:51,359
an you know a pleasant trip if i took

6856
04:05:56,830 --> 04:05:53,920
500 milligrams of micrograms of lsd i

6857
04:05:59,510 --> 04:05:56,840
would be in outer space and probably you

6858
04:06:02,150 --> 04:05:59,520
know right because i couldn't even see

6859
04:06:04,710 --> 04:06:02,160
the walls of my house

6860
04:06:06,309 --> 04:06:04,720
so it's it varies enormously and it

6861
04:06:08,070 --> 04:06:06,319
doesn't just vary in terms of dosage you

6862
04:06:09,830 --> 04:06:08,080
have to understand furthermore it varies

6863
04:06:11,670 --> 04:06:09,840
in terms of just what is going on

6864
04:06:13,429 --> 04:06:11,680
because remember what i told you earlier

6865
04:06:15,510 --> 04:06:13,439
is that my theory is that we're sort of

6866
04:06:17,189 --> 04:06:15,520
living in our own bubble realities

6867
04:06:18,630 --> 04:06:17,199
and everyone's bubble reality is a

6868
04:06:21,510 --> 04:06:18,640
little bit different and so you're going

6869
04:06:24,630 --> 04:06:21,520
to see different things you know like

6870
04:06:29,110 --> 04:06:26,710
like for example when i do dmt just

6871
04:06:31,349 --> 04:06:29,120
regular dmt i people talk about

6872
04:06:33,110 --> 04:06:31,359
experiencing entities and a lot of

6873
04:06:35,189 --> 04:06:33,120
visuals i don't get any of that i just

6874
04:06:37,670 --> 04:06:35,199
go straight to infinity i don't get

6875
04:06:39,990 --> 04:06:37,680
aliens i don't get dmt entities i don't

6876
04:06:42,469 --> 04:06:40,000
get fractals and a bunch of colors and

6877
04:06:44,389 --> 04:06:42,479
stuff it's just like just

6878
04:06:45,910 --> 04:06:44,399
i'm in the same space but i just become

6879
04:06:48,070 --> 04:06:45,920
infinitely conscious

6880
04:06:49,349 --> 04:06:48,080
of the space so it's very it's very

6881
04:06:53,349 --> 04:06:49,359
different

6882
04:06:55,429 --> 04:06:53,359
oh yeah

6883
04:06:57,590 --> 04:06:55,439
well if if i took any higher dose i

6884
04:06:59,590 --> 04:06:57,600
would i would be dead right now

6885
04:07:02,550 --> 04:06:59,600
okay have you taken the lesser classes

6886
04:07:04,389 --> 04:07:02,560
of dna i've taken the highest tier

6887
04:07:06,469 --> 04:07:04,399
i've taken so much and by the way it's

6888
04:07:07,750 --> 04:07:06,479
not a lot i've take by normal standards

6889
04:07:09,510 --> 04:07:07,760
it would be little but since i'm so

6890
04:07:10,950 --> 04:07:09,520
sensitive you know i've taken so much

6891
04:07:12,469 --> 04:07:10,960
that it's like

6892
04:07:15,590 --> 04:07:12,479
literally to the point of suicide

6893
04:07:17,349 --> 04:07:15,600
suicidal levels of dose

6894
04:07:18,790 --> 04:07:17,359
um so i wouldn't be comfortable taking

6895
04:07:21,269 --> 04:07:18,800
more

6896
04:07:24,229 --> 04:07:21,279
and then lower doses yeah

6897
04:07:26,630 --> 04:07:24,239
of course but all even the lower doses

6898
04:07:29,429 --> 04:07:26,640
sent you to infinity none of them gave

6899
04:07:30,950 --> 04:07:29,439
you an encounter with a fractal geometry

6900
04:07:32,790 --> 04:07:30,960
or

6901
04:07:35,030 --> 04:07:32,800
aliens and so on

6902
04:07:36,950 --> 04:07:35,040
no demons and aliens i i i get a little

6903
04:07:39,510 --> 04:07:36,960
bit of fractals that just comes

6904
04:07:41,189 --> 04:07:39,520
naturally with most psychedelics um

6905
04:07:42,309 --> 04:07:41,199
especially if i focus in on it i can i

6906
04:07:43,990 --> 04:07:42,319
can sort of

6907
04:07:45,590 --> 04:07:44,000
almost kind of maneuver my way through

6908
04:07:46,950 --> 04:07:45,600
the space a little bit

6909
04:07:48,309 --> 04:07:46,960
and it kind of depends on what i want

6910
04:07:50,389 --> 04:07:48,319
usually i don't i don't care about the

6911
04:07:53,110 --> 04:07:50,399
visuals i i care about the insights and

6912
04:07:54,870 --> 04:07:53,120
i care about the ultimate understanding

6913
04:07:57,030 --> 04:07:54,880
so i just i just go straight basically

6914
04:07:58,550 --> 04:07:57,040
to infinity yeah even on even on like

6915
04:08:00,790 --> 04:07:58,560
normally any threshold dose of

6916
04:08:03,030 --> 04:08:00,800
psychedelic at this point will just send

6917
04:08:05,110 --> 04:08:03,040
me straight into infinity and then if i

6918
04:08:07,990 --> 04:08:05,120
take higher doses it'll be just like

6919
04:08:10,469 --> 04:08:08,000
almost suicidal levels of infinity

6920
04:08:12,389 --> 04:08:10,479
to the point where the i experience such

6921
04:08:14,790 --> 04:08:12,399
ecstatic uh bliss

6922
04:08:16,830 --> 04:08:14,800
and pleasure from the infinite love that

6923
04:08:19,269 --> 04:08:16,840
i experienced when i'm

6924
04:08:20,870 --> 04:08:19,279
um you know

6925
04:08:21,910 --> 04:08:20,880
going that high

6926
04:08:24,149 --> 04:08:21,920
that

6927
04:08:25,910 --> 04:08:24,159
it becomes it becomes impossible for

6928
04:08:28,070 --> 04:08:25,920
like the body to even contain it you

6929
04:08:29,590 --> 04:08:28,080
want to kill yourself because it's too

6930
04:08:31,269 --> 04:08:29,600
it's too pleasure

6931
04:08:33,750 --> 04:08:31,279
it's too much pleasure basically the

6932
04:08:37,189 --> 04:08:33,760
pleasure goes infinite imagine

6933
04:08:38,389 --> 04:08:37,199
experiencing infinite pleasure forever

6934
04:08:39,990 --> 04:08:38,399
you would think that would be that would

6935
04:08:41,510 --> 04:08:40,000
be like a dream come true but actually

6936
04:08:43,910 --> 04:08:41,520
what happens is that your body and ego

6937
04:08:45,269 --> 04:08:43,920
mind can only tolerate so much pleasure

6938
04:08:46,950 --> 04:08:45,279
after a certain while comes

6939
04:08:50,630 --> 04:08:46,960
unpleasurable it becomes yeah it

6940
04:08:53,269 --> 04:08:52,149
it's it's too pleasant you want it to

6941
04:08:54,950 --> 04:08:53,279
stop

6942
04:08:57,110 --> 04:08:54,960
so part of your spiritual practices is

6943
04:08:59,590 --> 04:08:57,120
actually to raise your ceiling on how

6944
04:09:02,790 --> 04:08:59,600
much spiritual bliss you can experience

6945
04:09:04,229 --> 04:09:02,800
because that is like your glass ceiling

6946
04:09:05,910 --> 04:09:04,239
and it prevents you from experiencing

6947
04:09:07,910 --> 04:09:05,920
more love really fundamentally what it

6948
04:09:10,790 --> 04:09:07,920
is it's a fear of love

6949
04:09:12,309 --> 04:09:10,800
you're fearing experiencing more and

6950
04:09:13,990 --> 04:09:12,319
more of your own consciousness because

6951
04:09:15,830 --> 04:09:14,000
what happens is at that at those levels

6952
04:09:18,309 --> 04:09:15,840
of consciousness you become so loving

6953
04:09:19,349 --> 04:09:18,319
imagine falling in love with

6954
04:09:21,189 --> 04:09:19,359
torture

6955
04:09:23,590 --> 04:09:21,199
rape um

6956
04:09:25,750 --> 04:09:23,600
you know hitler and like

6957
04:09:27,349 --> 04:09:25,760
these things become so loving like it's

6958
04:09:28,950 --> 04:09:27,359
scary it's frightening to love these

6959
04:09:31,030 --> 04:09:28,960
things

6960
04:09:32,630 --> 04:09:31,040
to such high degrees

6961
04:09:34,630 --> 04:09:32,640
and most people would would think

6962
04:09:38,309 --> 04:09:34,640
they're losing their mind and it does

6963
04:09:41,110 --> 04:09:39,910
and many many people don't have very

6964
04:09:43,189 --> 04:09:41,120
stable minds

6965
04:09:44,710 --> 04:09:43,199
so they can take a psychedelic and then

6966
04:09:46,389 --> 04:09:44,720
they will veer off into some sort of

6967
04:09:48,550 --> 04:09:46,399
twisted direction they'll have negative

6968
04:09:50,870 --> 04:09:48,560
thoughts and then you know they'll

6969
04:09:52,389 --> 04:09:50,880
believe that demons are real and demons

6970
04:09:55,670 --> 04:09:52,399
are chasing them it literally turns into

6971
04:09:55,680 --> 04:10:01,189
and that's the classic bad trip

6972
04:10:04,469 --> 04:10:03,349
what are some tips you have for people

6973
04:10:05,910 --> 04:10:04,479
to avoid

6974
04:10:07,189 --> 04:10:05,920
a negative trip

6975
04:10:08,830 --> 04:10:07,199
and

6976
04:10:10,710 --> 04:10:08,840
even

6977
04:10:14,070 --> 04:10:10,720
the

6978
04:10:14,870 --> 04:10:14,080
suicidal thoughts that come with

6979
04:10:16,870 --> 04:10:14,880
these

6980
04:10:19,030 --> 04:10:16,880
seemingly at least from one perspective

6981
04:10:21,349 --> 04:10:19,040
nihilistic

6982
04:10:23,110 --> 04:10:21,359
points of view

6983
04:10:25,189 --> 04:10:23,120
when i say nihilism and what i'm

6984
04:10:27,910 --> 04:10:25,199
referring to is the lack of morality

6985
04:10:30,710 --> 04:10:27,920
let's say a morality or relativeness

6986
04:10:32,710 --> 04:10:30,720
right okay um

6987
04:10:35,510 --> 04:10:32,720
yeah so the number one simplest thing

6988
04:10:38,389 --> 04:10:35,520
you can do is just lower your doses

6989
04:10:40,229 --> 04:10:38,399
people get cocky and take higher doses

6990
04:10:43,189 --> 04:10:40,239
as though it's a game like you you need

6991
04:10:46,149 --> 04:10:43,199
to treat the psychedelic like a loaded

6992
04:10:48,710 --> 04:10:46,159
gun basically or like a a bottle of

6993
04:10:50,229 --> 04:10:48,720
nitroglycerin i mean this is

6994
04:10:52,710 --> 04:10:50,239
is is so

6995
04:10:54,550 --> 04:10:52,720
powerful and so potentially dangerous if

6996
04:10:56,550 --> 04:10:54,560
you take too much

6997
04:10:58,469 --> 04:10:56,560
so i would just

6998
04:11:00,229 --> 04:10:58,479
stay in the moderate low to moderate

6999
04:11:02,309 --> 04:11:00,239
zone don't go for hideo don't go for

7000
04:11:03,510 --> 04:11:02,319
heroic doses there's this sort of stupid

7001
04:11:05,910 --> 04:11:03,520
idea within the psychedelic community of

7002
04:11:07,189 --> 04:11:05,920
like oh yeah man i took a heroic dose

7003
04:11:09,269 --> 04:11:07,199
and then someone else is like oh yeah i

7004
04:11:11,030 --> 04:11:09,279
took a double heroic dose

7005
04:11:12,070 --> 04:11:11,040
and um just the way that most

7006
04:11:13,990 --> 04:11:12,080
psychedelics are done are so

7007
04:11:16,790 --> 04:11:14,000
irresponsibly simply because people are

7008
04:11:17,670 --> 04:11:16,800
just popping stuff they're not measuring

7009
04:11:19,189 --> 04:11:17,680
it

7010
04:11:20,790 --> 04:11:19,199
they're eyeballing something and then

7011
04:11:21,750 --> 04:11:20,800
they end up taking twice as much as what

7012
04:11:23,750 --> 04:11:21,760
they should

7013
04:11:25,670 --> 04:11:23,760
and this is mostly what leads to bad

7014
04:11:27,110 --> 04:11:25,680
trips is you just you took too much more

7015
04:11:28,790 --> 04:11:27,120
than you can handle in the same way that

7016
04:11:30,790 --> 04:11:28,800
if you're going to go drinking you know

7017
04:11:32,550 --> 04:11:30,800
know your limit when you drink

7018
04:11:35,590 --> 04:11:32,560
don't drink an entire bottle of vodka

7019
04:11:38,309 --> 04:11:35,600
and then act surprised the next day

7020
04:11:40,229 --> 04:11:38,319
that you're in hell it's also oxymoronic

7021
04:11:42,070 --> 04:11:40,239
because they're saying look i took a

7022
04:11:43,990 --> 04:11:42,080
double heroic dose well truly if you

7023
04:11:45,830 --> 04:11:44,000
took a heroic dose you would have a

7024
04:11:48,070 --> 04:11:45,840
dissolution of your ego and you wouldn't

7025
04:11:49,030 --> 04:11:48,080
be boasting about taking a double heroic

7026
04:11:51,189 --> 04:11:49,040
dose

7027
04:11:53,510 --> 04:11:51,199
yeah well they may have lost the ego for

7028
04:11:56,229 --> 04:11:53,520
a while but the ego comes back after the

7029
04:11:58,389 --> 04:11:56,239
trip in most cases true true and it can

7030
04:11:59,590 --> 04:11:58,399
even come back stronger it can now feel

7031
04:12:01,510 --> 04:11:59,600
like oh yeah

7032
04:12:03,349 --> 04:12:01,520
i conquered i took the heroic dose and i

7033
04:12:04,630 --> 04:12:03,359
conquered my fear and that now becomes

7034
04:12:06,149 --> 04:12:04,640
the new ego

7035
04:12:08,389 --> 04:12:06,159
hmm

7036
04:12:11,110 --> 04:12:08,399
that's it that's interesting

7037
04:12:13,349 --> 04:12:11,120
okay so how does one avoid

7038
04:12:16,550 --> 04:12:13,359
the suicidal thoughts that come

7039
04:12:18,229 --> 04:12:16,560
along with with nihilism

7040
04:12:20,389 --> 04:12:18,239
uh it's it's hard for me to say because

7041
04:12:21,830 --> 04:12:20,399
because normally i don't i'm not i'm a

7042
04:12:23,510 --> 04:12:21,840
very

7043
04:12:25,590 --> 04:12:23,520
psychologically stable person i have

7044
04:12:27,750 --> 04:12:25,600
always been that way just

7045
04:12:29,110 --> 04:12:27,760
a strength of mine i'm a very grounded

7046
04:12:30,469 --> 04:12:29,120
person actually

7047
04:12:31,750 --> 04:12:30,479
um

7048
04:12:40,630 --> 04:12:31,760
and

7049
04:12:43,189 --> 04:12:40,640
people who like live in a constant state

7050
04:12:44,790 --> 04:12:43,199
of of negativity and depression and who

7051
04:12:46,550 --> 04:12:44,800
have like a miserable life they have a

7052
04:12:47,910 --> 04:12:46,560
shitty job they have a shitty family

7053
04:12:49,269 --> 04:12:47,920
life they've been abused they've been

7054
04:12:51,269 --> 04:12:49,279
traumatized i didn't have a lot of

7055
04:12:53,349 --> 04:12:51,279
trauma when i was young i was fortunate

7056
04:12:54,950 --> 04:12:53,359
to grow up in a nice

7057
04:12:55,910 --> 04:12:54,960
our family was dysfunctional in many

7058
04:12:57,910 --> 04:12:55,920
ways but

7059
04:13:00,149 --> 04:12:57,920
um you know i received love for my

7060
04:13:02,309 --> 04:13:00,159
mother and care for my dad and so forth

7061
04:13:03,670 --> 04:13:02,319
so

7062
04:13:05,830 --> 04:13:03,680
those of you who had difficult

7063
04:13:07,590 --> 04:13:05,840
childhoods lots of trauma

7064
04:13:10,389 --> 04:13:07,600
those of you who have lives that you

7065
04:13:12,950 --> 04:13:10,399
just don't like you're miserable at your

7066
04:13:14,870 --> 04:13:12,960
job and you feel stuck

7067
04:13:17,030 --> 04:13:14,880
or you have mental instability or mental

7068
04:13:18,550 --> 04:13:17,040
illness even

7069
04:13:19,750 --> 04:13:18,560
you have to really be careful with the

7070
04:13:22,710 --> 04:13:19,760
doses

7071
04:13:24,790 --> 04:13:22,720
and also you have to do a lot of the

7072
04:13:27,189 --> 04:13:24,800
basic self-help work you have to realize

7073
04:13:28,630 --> 04:13:27,199
before i got into psychedelics i was i

7074
04:13:30,710 --> 04:13:28,640
never took a single drug i didn't even

7075
04:13:32,950 --> 04:13:30,720
drink i didn't smoke weed

7076
04:13:33,910 --> 04:13:32,960
i didn't do anything

7077
04:13:35,429 --> 04:13:33,920
um

7078
04:13:38,229 --> 04:13:35,439
and i got into psychedelics only like

7079
04:13:40,790 --> 04:13:38,239
four or five years ago

7080
04:13:43,750 --> 04:13:40,800
and until that i did like

7081
04:13:46,710 --> 04:13:43,760
10 to 15 years of work on my life

7082
04:13:49,189 --> 04:13:46,720
i worked on my diet on my health on my

7083
04:13:51,269 --> 04:13:49,199
fitness on my relationships on my

7084
04:13:53,110 --> 04:13:51,279
sexuality i worked on my business i

7085
04:13:54,550 --> 04:13:53,120
worked on my career i got all those

7086
04:13:57,590 --> 04:13:54,560
things in order i got all my ducks in a

7087
04:13:59,910 --> 04:13:57,600
row i did introspection i worked out

7088
04:14:01,510 --> 04:13:59,920
various lingering traumas that i did

7089
04:14:04,469 --> 04:14:01,520
minor traumas that i had i worked those

7090
04:14:07,269 --> 04:14:04,479
out i so i worked out a lot of stuff

7091
04:14:09,349 --> 04:14:07,279
plus i did a lot of study of philosophy

7092
04:14:11,510 --> 04:14:09,359
and science and

7093
04:14:14,229 --> 04:14:11,520
metaphysics and epistemology and i had

7094
04:14:17,030 --> 04:14:14,239
those foundations in place so then when

7095
04:14:19,110 --> 04:14:17,040
i went into psychedelics

7096
04:14:21,750 --> 04:14:19,120
for the most part it was all very

7097
04:14:24,309 --> 04:14:21,760
beautiful and very

7098
04:14:26,229 --> 04:14:24,319
and very smooth and easy whereas most

7099
04:14:28,070 --> 04:14:26,239
people don't do any of that work and

7100
04:14:30,550 --> 04:14:28,080
then their friends give them a couple of

7101
04:14:33,110 --> 04:14:30,560
tabs of lsd at a party and then yeah

7102
04:14:35,429 --> 04:14:33,120
they freak out

7103
04:14:37,670 --> 04:14:35,439
how old are you now

7104
04:14:39,030 --> 04:14:37,680
36

7105
04:14:40,630 --> 04:14:39,040
yeah

7106
04:14:43,030 --> 04:14:40,640
i'm losing track of time with all this

7107
04:14:44,950 --> 04:14:43,040
covet nonsense

7108
04:14:46,710 --> 04:14:44,960
you're extremely wise extremely

7109
04:14:47,750 --> 04:14:46,720
extremely wise for someone who is so

7110
04:14:49,670 --> 04:14:47,760
young

7111
04:14:50,469 --> 04:14:49,680
and something that strikes me about your

7112
04:14:52,389 --> 04:14:50,479
character

7113
04:14:55,670 --> 04:14:52,399
is that i watch people

7114
04:14:58,950 --> 04:14:55,680
like uh like a hawk when i view videos

7115
04:15:03,030 --> 04:14:58,960
with them or when i'm interviewing them

7116
04:15:06,950 --> 04:15:04,550
if there's this is

7117
04:15:09,110 --> 04:15:06,960
if there's a skill that i have above all

7118
04:15:10,870 --> 04:15:09,120
else it's not math it's not physics it's

7119
04:15:12,710 --> 04:15:10,880
not

7120
04:15:14,870 --> 04:15:12,720
even

7121
04:15:17,750 --> 04:15:14,880
interviewing per se it's

7122
04:15:21,110 --> 04:15:17,760
it would be i can read people

7123
04:15:25,750 --> 04:15:21,120
i can i pick up on the slightest

7124
04:15:28,870 --> 04:15:25,760
hints of insecurity in body language or

7125
04:15:31,110 --> 04:15:28,880
dogmatism in so and so area partly

7126
04:15:33,830 --> 04:15:31,120
because i have so much of it myself and

7127
04:15:36,149 --> 04:15:33,840
i've observed so much and i constantly

7128
04:15:37,670 --> 04:15:36,159
observe it in myself so much of it is

7129
04:15:39,349 --> 04:15:37,680
being so self-conscious that i'm

7130
04:15:41,349 --> 04:15:39,359
conscious of other people because i can

7131
04:15:43,590 --> 04:15:41,359
now apply it

7132
04:15:45,269 --> 04:15:43,600
and i don't and i sense deception and i

7133
04:15:50,070 --> 04:15:45,279
can sense

7134
04:15:51,349 --> 04:15:50,080
sense deception in people and i don't

7135
04:15:55,349 --> 04:15:51,359
sense

7136
04:15:58,070 --> 04:15:57,110
for the sake of your own

7137
04:15:58,870 --> 04:15:58,080
ego

7138
04:16:01,429 --> 04:15:58,880
or

7139
04:16:03,590 --> 04:16:01,439
that you

7140
04:16:05,110 --> 04:16:03,600
don't believe what you're saying

7141
04:16:09,269 --> 04:16:05,120
so there's

7142
04:16:09,279 --> 04:16:12,149
that i commend

7143
04:16:17,189 --> 04:16:14,790
and i i have plenty of uh egoic

7144
04:16:18,630 --> 04:16:17,199
tendencies too so

7145
04:16:19,990 --> 04:16:18,640
um

7146
04:16:21,670 --> 04:16:20,000
there are many times where i want to

7147
04:16:23,349 --> 04:16:21,680
exaggerate something

7148
04:16:25,349 --> 04:16:23,359
or i want to paint it in a better light

7149
04:16:26,630 --> 04:16:25,359
than it really is or where i'm insecure

7150
04:16:28,229 --> 04:16:26,640
about sharing something or being

7151
04:16:30,469 --> 04:16:28,239
vulnerable about something there's a lot

7152
04:16:30,880 --> 04:16:30,479
of stuff that i don't share

7153
04:16:32,790 --> 04:16:30,890
um

7154
04:16:33,750 --> 04:16:32,800
[Music]

7155
04:16:35,110 --> 04:16:33,760
so

7156
04:16:36,389 --> 04:16:35,120
by no means

7157
04:16:38,309 --> 04:16:36,399
like

7158
04:16:40,469 --> 04:16:38,319
honestly i have so much

7159
04:16:41,910 --> 04:16:40,479
the the the tricky thing is that it's in

7160
04:16:42,950 --> 04:16:41,920
a certain sense it's actually easy to

7161
04:16:44,950 --> 04:16:42,960
access

7162
04:16:47,189 --> 04:16:44,960
infinity the hard part is how do you

7163
04:16:50,070 --> 04:16:47,199
bring it back down to earth and then

7164
04:16:51,990 --> 04:16:50,080
embody it and that is something that i

7165
04:16:53,590 --> 04:16:52,000
still have a lot of work left to do that

7166
04:16:57,189 --> 04:16:53,600
i'm sorting through

7167
04:16:59,110 --> 04:16:57,199
so it's it's really bringing the

7168
04:17:02,950 --> 04:16:59,120
absolute down into the relative domain

7169
04:17:07,030 --> 04:17:04,710
and in that sense i have a lot of

7170
04:17:09,349 --> 04:17:07,040
deficiencies

7171
04:17:11,750 --> 04:17:09,359
and uh

7172
04:17:13,269 --> 04:17:11,760
and honestly many spiritual teachers and

7173
04:17:14,550 --> 04:17:13,279
even masters do

7174
04:17:16,710 --> 04:17:14,560
because like it's it's a really

7175
04:17:19,110 --> 04:17:16,720
difficult challenge

7176
04:17:20,070 --> 04:17:19,120
this is why you see many gurus and so

7177
04:17:22,870 --> 04:17:20,080
forth

7178
04:17:26,630 --> 04:17:22,880
uh having all sorts of sex scandals

7179
04:17:31,830 --> 04:17:28,950
character problems or sometimes even

7180
04:17:34,389 --> 04:17:31,840
addictions and so forth just because you

7181
04:17:36,229 --> 04:17:34,399
have to really distinguish between

7182
04:17:37,670 --> 04:17:36,239
accessing the absolute

7183
04:17:39,349 --> 04:17:37,680
that's one thing

7184
04:17:41,110 --> 04:17:39,359
accessing the truth in a certain sense

7185
04:17:42,630 --> 04:17:41,120
that's easy

7186
04:17:44,309 --> 04:17:42,640
that does not mean your character is

7187
04:17:46,229 --> 04:17:44,319
going to be good it does not mean you're

7188
04:17:47,349 --> 04:17:46,239
going to be a moral person it does not

7189
04:17:49,429 --> 04:17:47,359
mean that you're going to please

7190
04:17:50,550 --> 04:17:49,439
everybody and also everybody who's

7191
04:17:52,309 --> 04:17:50,560
looking at you and judging you is

7192
04:17:54,229 --> 04:17:52,319
judging you through their ego so they

7193
04:17:55,990 --> 04:17:54,239
have their own expectations so it's

7194
04:17:58,389 --> 04:17:56,000
almost impossible to meet all of their

7195
04:18:01,110 --> 04:17:58,399
expectations because they just conflict

7196
04:18:04,469 --> 04:18:02,950
so

7197
04:18:06,710 --> 04:18:04,479
is that because accessing this

7198
04:18:08,389 --> 04:18:06,720
information this truth is different than

7199
04:18:10,389 --> 04:18:08,399
believing the truth or is that

7200
04:18:12,469 --> 04:18:10,399
independent of what you're saying

7201
04:18:14,630 --> 04:18:12,479
well truth is not a belief truth is what

7202
04:18:16,630 --> 04:18:14,640
is the case

7203
04:18:19,269 --> 04:18:16,640
so you can access truth it's not

7204
04:18:20,790 --> 04:18:19,279
information it is being

7205
04:18:21,910 --> 04:18:20,800
you can become conscious of like you can

7206
04:18:22,790 --> 04:18:21,920
look at your hands but the fact that

7207
04:18:24,630 --> 04:18:22,800
you're looking at your hands and you're

7208
04:18:26,229 --> 04:18:24,640
conscious of them that doesn't

7209
04:18:28,469 --> 04:18:26,239
you know if i have a porn addiction that

7210
04:18:30,630 --> 04:18:28,479
doesn't cure my porn addiction

7211
04:18:33,110 --> 04:18:30,640
if i have uh if i'm

7212
04:18:35,030 --> 04:18:33,120
if i'm in a fight with my parents that

7213
04:18:37,429 --> 04:18:35,040
doesn't cure you know my problems with

7214
04:18:39,110 --> 04:18:37,439
my parents if i'm addicted to greasy

7215
04:18:40,469 --> 04:18:39,120
food and bacon that's not going to

7216
04:18:42,630 --> 04:18:40,479
remove that because

7217
04:18:45,110 --> 04:18:42,640
the mind most of the structure of the

7218
04:18:48,469 --> 04:18:45,120
mind still remains and the mind

7219
04:18:49,750 --> 04:18:48,479
has attachments and biases and beliefs

7220
04:18:51,750 --> 04:18:49,760
still remain

7221
04:18:53,990 --> 04:18:51,760
and so you're not done deconstructing

7222
04:18:56,710 --> 04:18:54,000
the mind even after you've accessed

7223
04:18:56,720 --> 04:19:01,269
should i want to get rid of attachment

7224
04:19:05,189 --> 04:19:02,630
well it depends on what your goals are

7225
04:19:07,189 --> 04:19:05,199
there are no absolute shoulds you can

7226
04:19:09,269 --> 04:19:07,199
do whatever you want it just depends on

7227
04:19:10,630 --> 04:19:09,279
what you want out of your life so if you

7228
04:19:11,510 --> 04:19:10,640
have a certain goal i can tell you

7229
04:19:13,510 --> 04:19:11,520
whether

7230
04:19:15,030 --> 04:19:13,520
like for example if if your goal is to

7231
04:19:17,030 --> 04:19:15,040
become more loving

7232
04:19:18,149 --> 04:19:17,040
then yeah it helps to get rid of

7233
04:19:20,070 --> 04:19:18,159
attachments

7234
04:19:21,590 --> 04:19:20,080
because every attachment is a bias that

7235
04:19:22,950 --> 04:19:21,600
keeps you from experiencing higher

7236
04:19:26,950 --> 04:19:22,960
degrees of love

7237
04:19:28,389 --> 04:19:26,960
because love literally is a lack of bias

7238
04:19:30,630 --> 04:19:28,399
what about if your goal is to feel

7239
04:19:33,030 --> 04:19:30,640
happiness or pleasure should one get rid

7240
04:19:42,550 --> 04:19:33,040
of their attachments or get rid of

7241
04:19:46,469 --> 04:19:44,309
well every attachment is going to bring

7242
04:19:48,149 --> 04:19:46,479
with it suffering

7243
04:19:50,070 --> 04:19:48,159
because

7244
04:19:52,229 --> 04:19:50,080
one of the core principles

7245
04:19:55,269 --> 04:19:52,239
of buddhism which i agree with is

7246
04:19:57,269 --> 04:19:55,279
impermanence the idea that no form in

7247
04:19:59,750 --> 04:19:57,279
the universe can be permanent you can't

7248
04:20:01,429 --> 04:19:59,760
make any form permanent and everything

7249
04:20:02,229 --> 04:20:01,439
that you attach to is a form of some

7250
04:20:05,189 --> 04:20:02,239
kind

7251
04:20:08,149 --> 04:20:05,199
it's either an object a person a feeling

7252
04:20:09,189 --> 04:20:08,159
an emote by form i even mean things like

7253
04:20:11,030 --> 04:20:09,199
pleasure

7254
04:20:12,389 --> 04:20:11,040
that's a form

7255
04:20:14,790 --> 04:20:12,399
um

7256
04:20:16,550 --> 04:20:14,800
and even ideas are forms they're subtle

7257
04:20:18,630 --> 04:20:16,560
forms in your mind

7258
04:20:20,229 --> 04:20:18,640
so if you get attached to the idea of

7259
04:20:22,149 --> 04:20:20,239
materialism

7260
04:20:23,830 --> 04:20:22,159
that's a problem if you get attached

7261
04:20:25,910 --> 04:20:23,840
even if you get attached to the of god

7262
04:20:29,189 --> 04:20:25,920
that's also a problem because god is not

7263
04:20:32,389 --> 04:20:29,199
an idea god is not your idea of god

7264
04:20:33,910 --> 04:20:32,399
so that will create an obstacle

7265
04:20:35,750 --> 04:20:33,920
and suffering will come from that

7266
04:20:38,070 --> 04:20:35,760
because reality is fluid and it's always

7267
04:20:39,510 --> 04:20:38,080
changing so anything you attach to

7268
04:20:41,189 --> 04:20:39,520
since reality is always fluid and

7269
04:20:43,110 --> 04:20:41,199
changing at some point you're going to

7270
04:20:46,309 --> 04:20:43,120
lose it and when you lose it that's when

7271
04:20:52,870 --> 04:20:48,630
right so so any any person you love is

7272
04:20:56,790 --> 04:20:55,030
so any pleasure any pleasure you receive

7273
04:20:58,950 --> 04:20:56,800
from loving a person you're you're also

7274
04:21:00,630 --> 04:20:58,960
gonna pay for it on the back end it's

7275
04:21:03,349 --> 04:21:00,640
almost like you're taking out a loan you

7276
04:21:05,030 --> 04:21:03,359
take out a loan and you get love and sex

7277
04:21:05,990 --> 04:21:05,040
and and it's great and it's fine i'm not

7278
04:21:07,030 --> 04:21:06,000
saying there's anything wrong with that

7279
04:21:09,590 --> 04:21:07,040
but you have to understand that there's

7280
04:21:13,110 --> 04:21:09,600
going to be a cost that you pay

7281
04:21:17,990 --> 04:21:13,910
and

7282
04:21:20,389 --> 04:21:18,000
that's also fine

7283
04:21:21,670 --> 04:21:20,399
you can accept it but you could say yeah

7284
04:21:24,469 --> 04:21:21,680
this will cause me suffering and i'm

7285
04:21:27,110 --> 04:21:24,479
willing to go through it okay fine

7286
04:21:28,710 --> 04:21:27,120
there's nothing wrong with suffering

7287
04:21:30,790 --> 04:21:28,720
i like what you're saying which is

7288
04:21:32,790 --> 04:21:30,800
slightly different than most spiritual

7289
04:21:34,149 --> 04:21:32,800
gurus at least from the more eastern

7290
04:21:35,990 --> 04:21:34,159
tradition where they repudiate

7291
04:21:37,189 --> 04:21:36,000
attachment wholeheartedly because

7292
04:21:38,630 --> 04:21:37,199
attachment will bring about some

7293
04:21:41,110 --> 04:21:38,640
suffering

7294
04:21:42,870 --> 04:21:41,120
practice practically yeah go ahead

7295
04:21:44,630 --> 04:21:42,880
for me well with attachment you

7296
04:21:46,870 --> 04:21:44,640
mentioned comes some happiness you get

7297
04:21:49,510 --> 04:21:46,880
attached to a dog there's like let's say

7298
04:21:51,990 --> 04:21:49,520
five units of happiness per day

7299
04:21:53,990 --> 04:21:52,000
okay then you know that there's a

7300
04:21:56,149 --> 04:21:54,000
loss function or a cost function there's

7301
04:21:58,389 --> 04:21:56,159
a cost at some point it's going to die

7302
04:22:01,590 --> 04:21:58,399
because of well there's impermanence

7303
04:22:04,070 --> 04:22:01,600
so there's a guaranteed future loss

7304
04:22:06,469 --> 04:22:04,080
but then if one is to optimize unless

7305
04:22:11,429 --> 04:22:06,479
you die first yeah that's the key

7306
04:22:14,229 --> 04:22:13,510
right and you also i like that you use

7307
04:22:18,469 --> 04:22:14,239
the

7308
04:22:20,950 --> 04:22:18,479
analogy of alone on one's house because

7309
04:22:22,870 --> 04:22:20,960
the way that most people that i've heard

7310
04:22:24,790 --> 04:22:22,880
that are not you express this whole

7311
04:22:27,110 --> 04:22:24,800
attachment issue is yes you should

7312
04:22:28,950 --> 04:22:27,120
reject it outright because at some point

7313
04:22:30,790 --> 04:22:28,960
it will lead to because of the principle

7314
04:22:33,990 --> 04:22:30,800
of impermanence let's say it would lead

7315
04:22:36,149 --> 04:22:34,000
to huge loss later however they don't

7316
04:22:37,590 --> 04:22:36,159
account for the at least momentary

7317
04:22:39,750 --> 04:22:37,600
happiness and then you can do an

7318
04:22:41,750 --> 04:22:39,760
expectation and say well it's a plus

7319
04:22:43,189 --> 04:22:41,760
it's in the same way that a risk

7320
04:22:44,950 --> 04:22:43,199
analysis company would say it's still a

7321
04:22:46,149 --> 04:22:44,960
plus if i send you a loan you're going

7322
04:22:48,070 --> 04:22:46,159
to pay back when i'm going to get more

7323
04:22:49,910 --> 04:22:48,080
interest well you can perform the same

7324
04:22:52,389 --> 04:22:49,920
analysis and then there's that

7325
04:22:54,389 --> 04:22:52,399
tennesseen quote i think it's

7326
04:22:57,189 --> 04:22:54,399
it's better to have loved and lost than

7327
04:22:59,349 --> 04:22:57,199
to have never loved

7328
04:23:01,590 --> 04:22:59,359
yeah i see that missing like there's a

7329
04:23:02,950 --> 04:23:01,600
nuance that's missing in so much of the

7330
04:23:05,349 --> 04:23:02,960
new age circle

7331
04:23:07,349 --> 04:23:05,359
with regard to attachment with regard to

7332
04:23:09,269 --> 04:23:07,359
with regard to guilt sorry not with

7333
04:23:11,269 --> 04:23:09,279
regard to guilt but with regard to free

7334
04:23:12,389 --> 04:23:11,279
will i don't need to express my thoughts

7335
04:23:13,910 --> 04:23:12,399
on that so

7336
04:23:14,950 --> 04:23:13,920
how about i ask you about thomas

7337
04:23:18,149 --> 04:23:14,960
campbell

7338
04:23:19,590 --> 04:23:18,159
sure yeah so what are your views on top

7339
04:23:21,590 --> 04:23:19,600
where do you disagree with thomas

7340
04:23:24,229 --> 04:23:21,600
campbell

7341
04:23:26,830 --> 04:23:24,239
large we agree on a lot of stuff

7342
04:23:32,469 --> 04:23:30,550
maybe 80 of stuff we we might agree on

7343
04:23:34,790 --> 04:23:32,479
so for the most part i'm going to be

7344
04:23:39,030 --> 04:23:34,800
splitting hairs here on technical stuff

7345
04:23:40,469 --> 04:23:39,040
but um that's me that's me in a nutshell

7346
04:23:42,149 --> 04:23:40,479
but first let me say where we agree i

7347
04:23:43,750 --> 04:23:42,159
mean he basically i think says that

7348
04:23:45,750 --> 04:23:43,760
everything is mind or everything is

7349
04:23:47,990 --> 04:23:45,760
consciousness

7350
04:23:49,910 --> 04:23:48,000
so we're totally in agreement on that

7351
04:23:51,510 --> 04:23:49,920
toe to leave yeah

7352
04:23:53,349 --> 04:23:51,520
yeah and then um

7353
04:23:54,630 --> 04:23:53,359
he's he talks about love and he says

7354
04:23:56,389 --> 04:23:54,640
that love is fundamental to the

7355
04:23:58,870 --> 04:23:56,399
structure of how the universe works

7356
04:24:01,189 --> 04:23:58,880
and i would agree with him on that

7357
04:24:02,870 --> 04:24:01,199
um you know love as being opposed to

7358
04:24:04,710 --> 04:24:02,880
fear and how you know the universe is

7359
04:24:06,790 --> 04:24:04,720
trying to maximize love and so forth

7360
04:24:08,630 --> 04:24:06,800
basically we agree on that and that the

7361
04:24:10,070 --> 04:24:08,640
purpose of life is to love more to

7362
04:24:13,030 --> 04:24:10,080
become more loving to expand your

7363
04:24:14,950 --> 04:24:13,040
consciousness we agree on that

7364
04:24:16,790 --> 04:24:14,960
um

7365
04:24:19,189 --> 04:24:16,800
he talks about a lot of like astral

7366
04:24:20,710 --> 04:24:19,199
travel type of stuff

7367
04:24:22,790 --> 04:24:20,720
um

7368
04:24:24,070 --> 04:24:22,800
and his explorations of that i

7369
04:24:26,229 --> 04:24:24,080
personally haven't had much of that

7370
04:24:29,030 --> 04:24:26,239
experience myself uh

7371
04:24:31,269 --> 04:24:29,040
i don't dispute that what he says is how

7372
04:24:34,229 --> 04:24:31,279
he's experienced it and and my model

7373
04:24:36,229 --> 04:24:34,239
basically is able to accommodate that so

7374
04:24:37,910 --> 04:24:36,239
that's fine uh people can do astral

7375
04:24:40,630 --> 04:24:37,920
travel to me it's just like dreaming and

7376
04:24:43,110 --> 04:24:40,640
so forth yeah you can do that

7377
04:24:45,750 --> 04:24:43,120
and explore different different dreams

7378
04:24:47,269 --> 04:24:45,760
different realms okay fine it's just all

7379
04:24:49,990 --> 04:24:47,279
imagination anyways

7380
04:24:52,950 --> 04:24:50,000
it's all consciousness and then um

7381
04:24:54,870 --> 04:24:52,960
where we would disagree is that

7382
04:24:57,269 --> 04:24:54,880
is his physical stuff so i would say

7383
04:24:59,110 --> 04:24:57,279
he's still not fully god realized uh

7384
04:25:01,670 --> 04:24:59,120
because he doesn't he wouldn't tell you

7385
04:25:03,429 --> 04:25:01,680
that you're literally god i don't think

7386
04:25:04,550 --> 04:25:03,439
um he would say that you're something

7387
04:25:06,630 --> 04:25:04,560
less than god he would say you're an

7388
04:25:08,790 --> 04:25:06,640
individuated unit of consciousness he

7389
04:25:09,830 --> 04:25:08,800
says that i see you

7390
04:25:11,750 --> 04:25:09,840
um

7391
04:25:14,630 --> 04:25:11,760
great memory man

7392
04:25:17,429 --> 04:25:14,640
yeah and and so i would say

7393
04:25:19,830 --> 04:25:17,439
um yeah at a certain level

7394
04:25:21,510 --> 04:25:19,840
you are an icu an individual union of

7395
04:25:23,750 --> 04:25:21,520
consciousness but if you reach the

7396
04:25:25,189 --> 04:25:23,760
highest levels of infinity

7397
04:25:26,469 --> 04:25:25,199
which i don't think he's reached i think

7398
04:25:28,309 --> 04:25:26,479
that's the problem is that he's kind of

7399
04:25:30,630 --> 04:25:28,319
stuck in the astral realms

7400
04:25:32,710 --> 04:25:30,640
he's he's ver i consider him a very high

7401
04:25:34,870 --> 04:25:32,720
consciousness person he has amazing

7402
04:25:36,790 --> 04:25:34,880
advice to give you just to most to most

7403
04:25:38,630 --> 04:25:36,800
people he can give you amazing advice on

7404
04:25:40,550 --> 04:25:38,640
how to improve your life and how to

7405
04:25:42,710 --> 04:25:40,560
expand your consciousness

7406
04:25:45,830 --> 04:25:42,720
but he has not reached

7407
04:25:50,469 --> 04:25:47,510
and the reason that i can say that is

7408
04:25:51,910 --> 04:25:50,479
because his notion of

7409
04:25:54,550 --> 04:25:51,920
of physics

7410
04:25:56,469 --> 04:25:54,560
is still somewhat almost materialistic i

7411
04:25:57,910 --> 04:25:56,479
mean he talks about like it's a virtual

7412
04:25:59,189 --> 04:25:57,920
reality

7413
04:26:01,269 --> 04:25:59,199
um first of all a lot of people

7414
04:26:02,870 --> 04:26:01,279
misunderstand what he means by virtual

7415
04:26:04,389 --> 04:26:02,880
so a lot of materialists will latch onto

7416
04:26:06,149 --> 04:26:04,399
that and say ah so he's saying we're in

7417
04:26:08,149 --> 04:26:06,159
a computer simulation that's not what

7418
04:26:10,149 --> 04:26:08,159
he's saying though he's using the the

7419
04:26:12,229 --> 04:26:10,159
word virtual rather poetically and sort

7420
04:26:15,590 --> 04:26:12,239
of metaphorically not literally in the

7421
04:26:17,269 --> 04:26:15,600
sort of computer lingo sense

7422
04:26:19,110 --> 04:26:17,279
so reality's not really happening in a

7423
04:26:20,710 --> 04:26:19,120
computer and reality is also not a

7424
04:26:22,070 --> 04:26:20,720
simulation i think that would be our

7425
04:26:23,349 --> 04:26:22,080
biggest disagreement he says it's a

7426
04:26:25,030 --> 04:26:23,359
simulation

7427
04:26:27,830 --> 04:26:25,040
and he also says it's a finite

7428
04:26:30,149 --> 04:26:27,840
simulation he says reality is finite and

7429
04:26:32,630 --> 04:26:30,159
it's definitely not finite it's infinite

7430
04:26:35,590 --> 04:26:32,640
and um

7431
04:26:37,830 --> 04:26:35,600
he also says that time is fundamental

7432
04:26:39,030 --> 04:26:37,840
and time is definitely not sorry what

7433
04:26:41,189 --> 04:26:39,040
were you saying you're saying that your

7434
04:26:43,670 --> 04:26:41,199
disagreement is that he would classify

7435
04:26:45,189 --> 04:26:43,680
life or reality as finite

7436
04:26:47,830 --> 04:26:45,199
yeah he would say reality is a finite

7437
04:26:49,290 --> 04:26:47,840
simulation i would disagree with that

7438
04:26:51,349 --> 04:26:49,300
he says that um

7439
04:26:52,870 --> 04:26:51,359
[Music]

7440
04:26:54,550 --> 04:26:52,880
i don't know if he believes that reality

7441
04:26:57,189 --> 04:26:54,560
has like a lower limit and like it's

7442
04:26:58,389 --> 04:26:57,199
quantized can you refresh my memory does

7443
04:27:00,070 --> 04:26:58,399
he say that it's quantized and that

7444
04:27:01,429 --> 04:27:00,080
there's a bottom level like a plank

7445
04:27:03,590 --> 04:27:01,439
length or something yeah right so i

7446
04:27:04,950 --> 04:27:03,600
would i would disagree with it but yeah

7447
04:27:06,630 --> 04:27:04,960
yeah so i would disagree there's no

7448
04:27:08,229 --> 04:27:06,640
fundamental unit to reality basically it

7449
04:27:10,229 --> 04:27:08,239
goes on forever

7450
04:27:12,630 --> 04:27:10,239
up up and down in all dimensions so you

7451
04:27:13,990 --> 04:27:12,640
can zoom into reality forever so that's

7452
04:27:15,510 --> 04:27:14,000
that's actually a very important thing

7453
04:27:18,070 --> 04:27:15,520
to realize because without that you're

7454
04:27:18,870 --> 04:27:18,080
not realizing the scope of what reality

7455
04:27:20,710 --> 04:27:18,880
is

7456
04:27:23,990 --> 04:27:20,720
and um

7457
04:27:25,670 --> 04:27:24,000
and then what is what else does he say

7458
04:27:27,990 --> 04:27:25,680
hmm

7459
04:27:30,710 --> 04:27:28,000
oh he says time is fundamental yeah and

7460
04:27:31,670 --> 04:27:30,720
time is time is imaginary and you can

7461
04:27:33,990 --> 04:27:31,680
actually

7462
04:27:35,429 --> 04:27:34,000
have a reality without time

7463
04:27:38,070 --> 04:27:35,439
um

7464
04:27:39,189 --> 04:27:38,080
you can you can realize eternity and you

7465
04:27:41,030 --> 04:27:39,199
can realize that time is actually

7466
04:27:42,790 --> 04:27:41,040
something conscious is constructing you

7467
04:27:49,429 --> 04:27:42,800
can deconstruct time

7468
04:27:52,630 --> 04:27:50,790
but he's still he's still a great

7469
04:27:54,229 --> 04:27:52,640
teacher and i i've in fact learned from

7470
04:27:56,630 --> 04:27:54,239
him so what have you learned i'm

7471
04:27:59,510 --> 04:27:56,640
grateful i'm grateful for his work

7472
04:28:04,309 --> 04:28:01,670
actually when i started out his his book

7473
04:28:06,229 --> 04:28:04,319
you know what is his book called

7474
04:28:08,469 --> 04:28:06,239
yeah his book was

7475
04:28:09,510 --> 04:28:08,479
it's so funny you talk about materialism

7476
04:28:11,269 --> 04:28:09,520
and atheism

7477
04:28:13,670 --> 04:28:11,279
when i read that book

7478
04:28:14,870 --> 04:28:13,680
i was still like an atheist materialist

7479
04:28:16,149 --> 04:28:14,880
and i was into pickup and stuff i

7480
04:28:17,429 --> 04:28:16,159
actually learned that book from the

7481
04:28:18,469 --> 04:28:17,439
learned about that book from the pickup

7482
04:28:21,030 --> 04:28:18,479
community

7483
04:28:22,790 --> 04:28:21,040
on a forum somebody just in some random

7484
04:28:24,309 --> 04:28:22,800
offshoot forum an unrelated section of

7485
04:28:26,070 --> 04:28:24,319
the forum somebody posted that book like

7486
04:28:28,070 --> 04:28:26,080
in the philosophy section so i was

7487
04:28:29,910 --> 04:28:28,080
interested in philosophy so i

7488
04:28:31,670 --> 04:28:29,920
i scooped up that book and the person

7489
04:28:33,510 --> 04:28:31,680
there wrote something like you know this

7490
04:28:34,550 --> 04:28:33,520
book is very radical and it'll change

7491
04:28:35,750 --> 04:28:34,560
your whole understanding of reality i'm

7492
04:28:37,429 --> 04:28:35,760
like oh cool

7493
04:28:39,429 --> 04:28:37,439
so i pick up this book and i read the

7494
04:28:40,469 --> 04:28:39,439
first 10 pages of it and in the very

7495
04:28:42,469 --> 04:28:40,479
beginning he starts talking about his

7496
04:28:44,389 --> 04:28:42,479
astral travels and i thought it was so

7497
04:28:46,550 --> 04:28:44,399
ludicrous what he was talking

7498
04:28:49,110 --> 04:28:46,560
about that i put the book down in

7499
04:28:51,590 --> 04:28:49,120
frustration and i just

7500
04:28:53,429 --> 04:28:51,600
left it on my bookshelf for for like

7501
04:28:55,030 --> 04:28:53,439
four or five years

7502
04:28:55,990 --> 04:28:55,040
i thought it was stupid waste of

7503
04:28:56,790 --> 04:28:56,000
time

7504
04:28:58,309 --> 04:28:56,800
um

7505
04:28:59,349 --> 04:28:58,319
then later

7506
04:29:00,229 --> 04:28:59,359
once i

7507
04:29:01,830 --> 04:29:00,239
you know

7508
04:29:03,429 --> 04:29:01,840
did more of the spiritual work then i

7509
04:29:05,510 --> 04:29:03,439
came back to the book and i read read

7510
04:29:07,349 --> 04:29:05,520
most of it

7511
04:29:09,750 --> 04:29:07,359
and uh so

7512
04:29:11,830 --> 04:29:09,760
from him i learned i learned about like

7513
04:29:13,510 --> 04:29:11,840
for example dreaming

7514
04:29:14,790 --> 04:29:13,520
he i remember

7515
04:29:16,790 --> 04:29:14,800
i listened to one of his talks about

7516
04:29:19,110 --> 04:29:16,800
dreaming and he had a profound insight

7517
04:29:20,630 --> 04:29:19,120
about how you can use dreaming

7518
04:29:22,710 --> 04:29:20,640
as a way to

7519
04:29:25,269 --> 04:29:22,720
learn about your sort of trauma and

7520
04:29:27,269 --> 04:29:25,279
other psychic baggage for example if you

7521
04:29:29,110 --> 04:29:27,279
have a recurrent dream that you keep

7522
04:29:30,950 --> 04:29:29,120
having where you're fearful like for

7523
04:29:35,030 --> 04:29:30,960
example maybe you have a dream where you

7524
04:29:40,710 --> 04:29:36,950
after college

7525
04:29:42,309 --> 04:29:40,720
because

7526
04:29:44,389 --> 04:29:42,319
i was studying so hard for all the tests

7527
04:29:47,269 --> 04:29:44,399
and exams to be a good student

7528
04:29:49,510 --> 04:29:47,279
that um like i would have nightmares

7529
04:29:51,030 --> 04:29:49,520
about missing tests or failing classes

7530
04:29:53,429 --> 04:29:51,040
and those nightmares would would

7531
04:29:55,189 --> 04:29:53,439
continue years after i was out of

7532
04:29:57,030 --> 04:29:55,199
college and i wasn't even studying

7533
04:29:57,990 --> 04:29:57,040
anything anymore

7534
04:29:59,590 --> 04:29:58,000
um

7535
04:30:01,189 --> 04:29:59,600
and uh and so basically and i would have

7536
04:30:02,389 --> 04:30:01,199
those like consistently like every week

7537
04:30:03,990 --> 04:30:02,399
i would have them

7538
04:30:05,269 --> 04:30:04,000
for years

7539
04:30:06,550 --> 04:30:05,279
and and so what thomas campbell

7540
04:30:07,910 --> 04:30:06,560
basically said was something along the

7541
04:30:09,670 --> 04:30:07,920
lines of

7542
04:30:12,229 --> 04:30:09,680
if you're having a recurrent nightmare

7543
04:30:13,910 --> 04:30:12,239
scenario like this or just a bad dream

7544
04:30:15,429 --> 04:30:13,920
you got to ask yourself after you come

7545
04:30:17,349 --> 04:30:15,439
out of that dream like

7546
04:30:19,590 --> 04:30:17,359
what is the lesson here for my

7547
04:30:22,149 --> 04:30:19,600
consciousness what do i need to learn

7548
04:30:23,750 --> 04:30:22,159
about myself to expand my sense of self

7549
04:30:25,349 --> 04:30:23,760
and consciousness so that i can

7550
04:30:26,550 --> 04:30:25,359
integrate this so that this dream

7551
04:30:27,830 --> 04:30:26,560
doesn't need to keep happening again

7552
04:30:29,590 --> 04:30:27,840
because this dream is a sort of an

7553
04:30:31,269 --> 04:30:29,600
unconscious message

7554
04:30:33,590 --> 04:30:31,279
that there's something i haven't sorted

7555
04:30:36,790 --> 04:30:33,600
out yet in my psyche and when i sort it

7556
04:30:38,550 --> 04:30:37,510
so

7557
04:30:42,229 --> 04:30:38,560
that's

7558
04:30:43,830 --> 04:30:42,239
psychoanalysis in a nutshell or at least

7559
04:30:45,590 --> 04:30:43,840
the beginning of the beginnings of it

7560
04:30:46,790 --> 04:30:45,600
like freud and jung so it's not yeah but

7561
04:30:49,590 --> 04:30:46,800
what's cool about is you don't need a

7562
04:30:50,550 --> 04:30:49,600
therapist you can kind of do it yourself

7563
04:30:52,710 --> 04:30:50,560
yeah

7564
04:30:54,469 --> 04:30:52,720
what are your views on bernardo castro

7565
04:30:56,149 --> 04:30:54,479
like why are you where you agree you

7566
04:30:57,750 --> 04:30:56,159
disagree with them yeah we agree on a

7567
04:30:59,590 --> 04:30:57,760
lot probably 90 percent of stuff we

7568
04:31:00,080 --> 04:30:59,600
would agree on

7569
04:31:02,469 --> 04:31:00,090
um

7570
04:31:03,910 --> 04:31:02,479
[Music]

7571
04:31:05,750 --> 04:31:03,920
he's got very good arguments against

7572
04:31:07,750 --> 04:31:05,760
materialism all of which are basically

7573
04:31:09,590 --> 04:31:07,760
correct i would say

7574
04:31:11,510 --> 04:31:09,600
he does a brilliant job of kind of

7575
04:31:13,349 --> 04:31:11,520
dissecting and cutting it apart better

7576
04:31:16,149 --> 04:31:13,359
than i do um sometimes i kind of

7577
04:31:17,830 --> 04:31:16,159
struggle with with being very technical

7578
04:31:18,870 --> 04:31:17,840
about things but he's really good at

7579
04:31:20,630 --> 04:31:18,880
that

7580
04:31:23,030 --> 04:31:20,640
and um

7581
04:31:26,550 --> 04:31:23,040
where we would would disagree

7582
04:31:27,429 --> 04:31:26,560
is uh he i think he's still not first of

7583
04:31:29,110 --> 04:31:27,439
all

7584
04:31:30,870 --> 04:31:29,120
he's not infinitely conscious he hasn't

7585
04:31:32,710 --> 04:31:30,880
accessed infinity

7586
04:31:34,469 --> 04:31:32,720
um

7587
04:31:37,110 --> 04:31:34,479
i don't think he grasps the the

7588
04:31:39,429 --> 04:31:37,120
significance of his own ideas he's

7589
04:31:41,429 --> 04:31:39,439
intuiting it he understands

7590
04:31:43,590 --> 04:31:41,439
that he's kind of

7591
04:31:45,750 --> 04:31:43,600
moving in a very profound direction but

7592
04:31:46,710 --> 04:31:45,760
he actually he hasn't fully actualized

7593
04:31:51,990 --> 04:31:46,720
that

7594
04:31:53,830 --> 04:31:52,000
he's god imagining all other beings so

7595
04:31:55,110 --> 04:31:53,840
he still thinks that there are

7596
04:31:56,790 --> 04:31:55,120
you know you ask them a question about

7597
04:31:59,110 --> 04:31:56,800
like solipsism

7598
04:32:01,349 --> 04:31:59,120
and you ask them a question about

7599
04:32:03,590 --> 04:32:01,359
uh

7600
04:32:05,670 --> 04:32:03,600
are you a solipsist that he says very

7601
04:32:08,229 --> 04:32:05,680
confidently kind of like no as though

7602
04:32:09,110 --> 04:32:08,239
solipsism is like a bad bad thing in his

7603
04:32:10,630 --> 04:32:09,120
mind

7604
04:32:12,229 --> 04:32:10,640
i get the sense that he's kind of a

7605
04:32:15,990 --> 04:32:12,239
verse to solipsism

7606
04:32:19,910 --> 04:32:18,229
no yeah for whatever for no from what i

7607
04:32:21,269 --> 04:32:19,920
remember he said he's not a solipsist

7608
04:32:21,990 --> 04:32:21,279
and he was very kind of flippant about

7609
04:32:23,830 --> 04:32:22,000
it

7610
04:32:26,309 --> 04:32:23,840
um so his model is basically there's a

7611
04:32:27,990 --> 04:32:26,319
dissociative boundary between his

7612
04:32:29,110 --> 04:32:28,000
consciousness and other consciousnesses

7613
04:32:31,269 --> 04:32:29,120
that's right

7614
04:32:32,950 --> 04:32:31,279
um so what i would just say is that of

7615
04:32:35,030 --> 04:32:32,960
course that dissociative boundary itself

7616
04:32:37,030 --> 04:32:35,040
is imaginary and that if he goes deeper

7617
04:32:39,830 --> 04:32:37,040
in his conscious work eventually he'll

7618
04:32:43,189 --> 04:32:39,840
realize that he imagines all

7619
04:32:45,349 --> 04:32:43,199
uh all dissociative boundaries and all

7620
04:32:47,910 --> 04:32:45,359
other agents behind those boundaries

7621
04:32:49,349 --> 04:32:47,920
that he assumes are there they're all

7622
04:32:51,030 --> 04:32:49,359
imaginary

7623
04:32:53,510 --> 04:32:51,040
and they will all collapse

7624
04:32:55,429 --> 04:32:53,520
and then he'll realize he's god

7625
04:32:56,870 --> 04:32:55,439
dreaming the whole thing up

7626
04:32:59,189 --> 04:32:56,880
what would you say to some people who

7627
04:33:00,790 --> 04:32:59,199
say if you zoom in enough to an atom you

7628
04:33:03,110 --> 04:33:00,800
would get to another universe and if you

7629
04:33:05,029 --> 04:33:03,120
zoom out enough from ours where an atom

7630
04:33:06,949 --> 04:33:05,039
and someone else is

7631
04:33:09,029 --> 04:33:06,959
yeah that that's that's basically how it

7632
04:33:11,189 --> 04:33:09,039
works although what exactly you'll zoom

7633
04:33:12,869 --> 04:33:11,199
into or out to in terms of form you

7634
04:33:15,109 --> 04:33:12,879
could that'll be whatever you imagine it

7635
04:33:17,349 --> 04:33:15,119
to be in a certain sense um but yeah you

7636
04:33:18,949 --> 04:33:17,359
can you can zoom in forever

7637
04:33:21,429 --> 04:33:18,959
uh so

7638
04:33:23,750 --> 04:33:21,439
technically just to understand infinity

7639
04:33:25,670 --> 04:33:23,760
is that which can divide itself forever

7640
04:33:27,750 --> 04:33:25,680
so really what reality is is just

7641
04:33:29,670 --> 04:33:27,760
division it's self-division and every

7642
04:33:32,070 --> 04:33:29,680
division can divide itself again and

7643
04:33:34,070 --> 04:33:32,080
again and again in a fractal way

7644
04:33:35,750 --> 04:33:34,080
without any limit

7645
04:33:37,429 --> 04:33:35,760
so you can keep dividing consciousness

7646
04:33:38,629 --> 04:33:37,439
as much as you want it's just a question

7647
04:33:40,310 --> 04:33:38,639
of

7648
04:33:42,869 --> 04:33:40,320
how deep do you want to go for example

7649
04:33:44,709 --> 04:33:42,879
if consciousness wants to imagine that

7650
04:33:46,390 --> 04:33:44,719
consciousness ends at the plank plank

7651
04:33:48,230 --> 04:33:46,400
length

7652
04:33:49,590 --> 04:33:48,240
that will be its end

7653
04:33:51,510 --> 04:33:49,600
because that's what it's imagining the

7654
04:33:54,070 --> 04:33:51,520
end is but if conscious wants to go

7655
04:33:55,670 --> 04:33:54,080
deeper and probe deeper and real and it

7656
04:33:58,150 --> 04:33:55,680
realizes that the plank length is just a

7657
04:33:59,590 --> 04:33:58,160
conceptual fabrication it can go beyond

7658
04:34:01,429 --> 04:33:59,600
that forever

7659
04:34:03,109 --> 04:34:01,439
and yeah you can zoom out

7660
04:34:07,189 --> 04:34:03,119
forever as well

7661
04:34:10,070 --> 04:34:08,551
have you heard of someone named frank

7662
04:34:11,109 --> 04:34:10,080
yang

7663
04:34:13,269 --> 04:34:11,119
yes

7664
04:34:16,629 --> 04:34:13,279
okay i don't know

7665
04:34:19,189 --> 04:34:16,639
anything besides how frank yang looks

7666
04:34:20,789 --> 04:34:19,199
but what are your thoughts on whether or

7667
04:34:22,869 --> 04:34:20,799
where you agree with frank yang and

7668
04:34:26,470 --> 04:34:22,879
where you disagree i actually don't know

7669
04:34:27,750 --> 04:34:26,480
that much about his whole um world view

7670
04:34:29,590 --> 04:34:27,760
and so forth

7671
04:34:31,830 --> 04:34:29,600
so

7672
04:34:34,709 --> 04:34:31,840
it's a little difficult to comment um he

7673
04:34:35,830 --> 04:34:34,719
i know that he has criticisms of me

7674
04:34:39,590 --> 04:34:35,840
um

7675
04:34:40,949 --> 04:34:39,600
in that he he has this idea of

7676
04:34:42,310 --> 04:34:40,959
he's critical of psychedelic basically

7677
04:34:44,230 --> 04:34:42,320
his point is that

7678
04:34:46,551 --> 04:34:44,240
uh psychedelics don't produce a genuine

7679
04:34:48,230 --> 04:34:46,561
awakening or enlightenment

7680
04:34:49,750 --> 04:34:48,240
and that

7681
04:34:52,390 --> 04:34:49,760
through meditation you can reach a

7682
04:34:55,349 --> 04:34:52,400
deeper level of enlightenment the true

7683
04:34:56,949 --> 04:34:55,359
enlightenment is this the meditative one

7684
04:34:59,189 --> 04:34:56,959
and that he would say that that is all

7685
04:35:00,709 --> 04:34:59,199
beyond the psychedelic stuff

7686
04:35:01,990 --> 04:35:00,719
and that it transcends all of it and

7687
04:35:04,070 --> 04:35:02,000
basically he's sort of talking about the

7688
04:35:06,070 --> 04:35:04,080
buddhist notion of cessation

7689
04:35:08,150 --> 04:35:06,080
cessation is a

7690
04:35:11,510 --> 04:35:08,160
meditative

7691
04:35:12,310 --> 04:35:11,520
attainment or achievement you could say

7692
04:35:13,990 --> 04:35:12,320
um

7693
04:35:16,470 --> 04:35:14,000
for lack of any better word it's

7694
04:35:18,551 --> 04:35:16,480
basically it's it's sort of the pinnacle

7695
04:35:21,670 --> 04:35:18,561
of what a buddhist meditator would seek

7696
04:35:22,470 --> 04:35:21,680
to attain which is you reach

7697
04:35:42,551 --> 04:35:22,480
a

7698
04:35:45,349 --> 04:35:42,561
this

7699
04:35:47,429 --> 04:35:45,359
buddhism and then they would say that

7700
04:35:49,830 --> 04:35:47,439
that is sort of the ultimate thing that

7701
04:35:53,109 --> 04:35:49,840
the buddha taught and the ultimate the

7702
04:35:54,470 --> 04:35:53,119
true enlightenment so to speak

7703
04:35:57,990 --> 04:35:54,480
and that everything and that everything

7704
04:35:59,910 --> 04:35:58,000
else is just a distraction or uh not

7705
04:36:01,830 --> 04:35:59,920
the ultimate

7706
04:36:03,349 --> 04:36:01,840
that's what i think that that would be

7707
04:36:05,670 --> 04:36:03,359
his position

7708
04:36:08,230 --> 04:36:05,680
and um i'm curious what the process

7709
04:36:09,990 --> 04:36:08,240
looks like of going from this state of

7710
04:36:11,349 --> 04:36:10,000
inoperative

7711
04:36:14,070 --> 04:36:11,359
nullness

7712
04:36:15,590 --> 04:36:14,080
to now where precisely does some of the

7713
04:36:17,510 --> 04:36:15,600
perceptions come back if there's

7714
04:36:18,869 --> 04:36:17,520
absolutely nothing does it come back in

7715
04:36:20,230 --> 04:36:18,879
the center does it come back there does

7716
04:36:22,070 --> 04:36:20,240
it come back everywhere

7717
04:36:24,709 --> 04:36:22,080
little by little atom by atom i'm

7718
04:36:25,990 --> 04:36:24,719
curious about how that looks

7719
04:36:28,310 --> 04:36:26,000
uh i

7720
04:36:31,830 --> 04:36:28,320
yeah i would assume it would pop back in

7721
04:36:37,189 --> 04:36:34,949
not adam not adam by adam yeah

7722
04:36:39,429 --> 04:36:37,199
it it is the way that it's been

7723
04:36:42,150 --> 04:36:39,439
described from things that i've read is

7724
04:36:43,990 --> 04:36:42,160
that it's it's a it's a rather um abrupt

7725
04:36:45,670 --> 04:36:44,000
shift it's almost like imagine you're

7726
04:36:47,910 --> 04:36:45,680
sitting here and the entire universe

7727
04:36:50,070 --> 04:36:47,920
collapses and then reboots

7728
04:36:51,990 --> 04:36:50,080
from scratch

7729
04:36:54,230 --> 04:36:52,000
sort of like that like it's it's a very

7730
04:36:56,709 --> 04:36:54,240
very very radical mm-hmm like we're

7731
04:36:58,070 --> 04:36:56,719
starting a computer the screen goes yeah

7732
04:37:00,949 --> 04:36:58,080
yeah you're basically rebooting the

7733
04:37:02,551 --> 04:37:00,959
entire universe that's interesting

7734
04:37:04,070 --> 04:37:02,561
yeah or maybe you could you could almost

7735
04:37:05,349 --> 04:37:04,080
think of it like a glitch

7736
04:37:06,551 --> 04:37:05,359
like imagine like a glitch in your

7737
04:37:08,070 --> 04:37:06,561
consciousness

7738
04:37:09,349 --> 04:37:08,080
where you just like you you you're in

7739
04:37:10,629 --> 04:37:09,359
the universe and then you pop out of the

7740
04:37:11,750 --> 04:37:10,639
universe and then you pop right back

7741
04:37:13,910 --> 04:37:11,760
into it

7742
04:37:15,830 --> 04:37:13,920
and since you were since that place that

7743
04:37:17,670 --> 04:37:15,840
you popped out into you know the

7744
04:37:20,470 --> 04:37:17,680
nothingness zone since there's nothing

7745
04:37:22,470 --> 04:37:20,480
there there's no time there

7746
04:37:24,470 --> 04:37:22,480
it lasts for an eternity so imagine that

7747
04:37:26,230 --> 04:37:24,480
you pop out of your present experience

7748
04:37:28,070 --> 04:37:26,240
for an eternity into nothingness and

7749
04:37:29,429 --> 04:37:28,080
then you pop right back in and all of

7750
04:37:30,310 --> 04:37:29,439
that took just like a fraction of a

7751
04:37:33,510 --> 04:37:30,320
second

7752
04:37:34,390 --> 04:37:33,520
in real time in our human time but in

7753
04:37:36,629 --> 04:37:34,400
you know

7754
04:37:39,429 --> 04:37:36,639
in the cessation time it it lasted for

7755
04:37:43,910 --> 04:37:40,949
so it's a very sort of

7756
04:37:45,269 --> 04:37:43,920
very mind-melting idea

7757
04:37:46,949 --> 04:37:45,279
yeah because you have a temporal

7758
04:37:48,150 --> 04:37:46,959
juxtaposed with temporal and they are

7759
04:37:49,510 --> 04:37:48,160
not supposed to have a relationship

7760
04:37:51,590 --> 04:37:49,520
between yet they're related in some

7761
04:37:54,629 --> 04:37:51,600
manner right right

7762
04:37:56,629 --> 04:37:54,639
so what i uh continue

7763
04:37:57,670 --> 04:37:56,639
yeah so what i would say about cessation

7764
04:37:58,629 --> 04:37:57,680
is that

7765
04:38:00,230 --> 04:37:58,639
um

7766
04:38:01,349 --> 04:38:00,240
i mean

7767
04:38:03,029 --> 04:38:01,359
what i talk about doesn't really

7768
04:38:04,709 --> 04:38:03,039
contradict cessation

7769
04:38:07,349 --> 04:38:04,719
to me cessation is just one thing that

7770
04:38:09,189 --> 04:38:07,359
consciousness can do it can cease it can

7771
04:38:11,029 --> 04:38:09,199
sort of be totally formless

7772
04:38:12,949 --> 04:38:11,039
and that's fine it can do that but

7773
04:38:15,109 --> 04:38:12,959
there's nothing i give no special

7774
04:38:16,551 --> 04:38:15,119
privilege to that over any other state

7775
04:38:17,910 --> 04:38:16,561
of consciousness so to me all states of

7776
04:38:18,869 --> 04:38:17,920
consciousness are basically equal and

7777
04:38:20,390 --> 04:38:18,879
there's nothing but states of

7778
04:38:21,429 --> 04:38:20,400
consciousness and to me cessation is

7779
04:38:23,670 --> 04:38:21,439
just another

7780
04:38:26,070 --> 04:38:23,680
thing that consciousness does

7781
04:38:27,990 --> 04:38:26,080
no more special than any other thing and

7782
04:38:30,070 --> 04:38:28,000
that nothingness it's very important to

7783
04:38:32,150 --> 04:38:30,080
understand that it's not that the

7784
04:38:33,990 --> 04:38:32,160
universe came from nothing

7785
04:38:36,310 --> 04:38:34,000
that's not what i'm saying

7786
04:38:38,390 --> 04:38:36,320
there's an even more radical

7787
04:38:41,429 --> 04:38:38,400
understanding to be had here it's that

7788
04:38:43,750 --> 04:38:41,439
the universe is nothing and always was

7789
04:38:45,269 --> 04:38:43,760
nothing and it's nothing right now

7790
04:38:47,429 --> 04:38:45,279
this

7791
04:38:49,590 --> 04:38:47,439
everything you're seeing all qualia are

7792
04:38:52,310 --> 04:38:49,600
actually nothing because you cannot

7793
04:38:55,830 --> 04:38:52,320
distinguish something from nothing

7794
04:38:57,029 --> 04:38:55,840
and that is the ultimate non-duality

7795
04:38:58,390 --> 04:38:57,039
yeah

7796
04:39:00,551 --> 04:38:58,400
because if you're still distinguishing

7797
04:39:02,551 --> 04:39:00,561
and privileging nothing over something

7798
04:39:05,429 --> 04:39:02,561
formlessness over form you actually

7799
04:39:07,269 --> 04:39:05,439
haven't fully integrated so usually in

7800
04:39:10,150 --> 04:39:07,279
the classic awakening path what usually

7801
04:39:12,470 --> 04:39:10,160
happens that first you realize no self

7802
04:39:14,310 --> 04:39:12,480
then you realize that the self is

7803
04:39:17,029 --> 04:39:14,320
absolutely formless and you sort of get

7804
04:39:20,390 --> 04:39:17,039
attached to that formlessness then you

7805
04:39:21,750 --> 04:39:20,400
realize that form is also nothing

7806
04:39:24,230 --> 04:39:21,760
and then you reintegrate the

7807
04:39:26,629 --> 04:39:24,240
formlessness into the form and then you

7808
04:39:30,390 --> 04:39:26,639
are in such a state of non-duality

7809
04:39:32,230 --> 04:39:30,400
you're so awake that um

7810
04:39:34,629 --> 04:39:32,240
you don't need to be in a state of

7811
04:39:36,629 --> 04:39:34,639
cessation in order to be conscious of

7812
04:39:37,910 --> 04:39:36,639
the absolute the absolute is literally

7813
04:39:39,190 --> 04:39:37,920
everything

7814
04:39:43,110 --> 04:39:39,200
at all times

7815
04:39:46,788 --> 04:39:45,430
all states are the absolute but not all

7816
04:39:50,390 --> 04:39:46,798
states are aware

7817
04:39:52,390 --> 04:39:50,400
of themselves as being the absolute

7818
04:39:53,590 --> 04:39:52,400
have you seen there's the simpsons

7819
04:39:54,550 --> 04:39:53,600
episode where

7820
04:39:56,470 --> 04:39:54,560
bart

7821
04:39:57,990 --> 04:39:56,480
he needed a babysitter and then someone

7822
04:39:59,910 --> 04:39:58,000
was called and then she and then there's

7823
04:40:01,350 --> 04:39:59,920
a big someone who babysitted her bart

7824
04:40:05,670 --> 04:40:01,360
and she's just rocking on its hair she's

7825
04:40:07,430 --> 04:40:05,680
like bart put it down put it down bart

7826
04:40:09,030 --> 04:40:07,440
she's like traumatized that she's saying

7827
04:40:11,030 --> 04:40:09,040
this to console herself but almost like

7828
04:40:13,030 --> 04:40:11,040
she can't help it do you remember that

7829
04:40:14,708 --> 04:40:13,040
that's a really old one yeah

7830
04:40:16,788 --> 04:40:14,718
there's something that i sense in the

7831
04:40:19,110 --> 04:40:16,798
non-duelist community

7832
04:40:19,830 --> 04:40:19,120
a similar pattern noster where they'll

7833
04:40:21,910 --> 04:40:19,840
say

7834
04:40:23,750 --> 04:40:21,920
it's all one it's all infinity

7835
04:40:25,590 --> 04:40:23,760
everything and nothing are the same it's

7836
04:40:28,150 --> 04:40:25,600
all infinity it's all one almost

7837
04:40:29,670 --> 04:40:28,160
mindlessly like in an attempt to

7838
04:40:31,510 --> 04:40:29,680
it seems like in an

7839
04:40:33,830 --> 04:40:31,520
in an attempt to console and convince

7840
04:40:37,270 --> 04:40:33,840
themselves of something that they've

7841
04:40:39,110 --> 04:40:37,280
felt so sincerely at one point

7842
04:40:41,510 --> 04:40:39,120
but no longer do because they're in this

7843
04:40:42,948 --> 04:40:41,520
world supposedly rather than this other

7844
04:40:45,350 --> 04:40:42,958
world of

7845
04:40:46,948 --> 04:40:45,360
of bliss and their current life is so

7846
04:40:48,628 --> 04:40:46,958
desperate and so hard and they're

7847
04:40:49,670 --> 04:40:48,638
seeking to get back to that place of

7848
04:40:51,510 --> 04:40:49,680
comfort

7849
04:40:52,788 --> 04:40:51,520
and the only model they had in that

7850
04:40:55,190 --> 04:40:52,798
place was that

7851
04:40:57,430 --> 04:40:55,200
that of infinite unity

7852
04:40:59,750 --> 04:40:57,440
so they keep professing

7853
04:41:02,788 --> 04:40:59,760
and trying to get back to this place of

7854
04:41:04,230 --> 04:41:02,798
inner peace trying to find

7855
04:41:05,990 --> 04:41:04,240
they're trying to get to this

7856
04:41:07,990 --> 04:41:06,000
place of inner peace

7857
04:41:09,990 --> 04:41:08,000
associated with saying that all is

7858
04:41:12,470 --> 04:41:10,000
infinity all is unity all is nothing at

7859
04:41:14,150 --> 04:41:12,480
the same time infinity and zero are the

7860
04:41:16,070 --> 04:41:14,160
same

7861
04:41:18,070 --> 04:41:16,080
rather than trying to get to the truth

7862
04:41:20,310 --> 04:41:18,080
wherever the truth leads them even if

7863
04:41:23,430 --> 04:41:20,320
the truth leads them to non-unity or

7864
04:41:25,670 --> 04:41:23,440
materialism or pluralism do you sense

7865
04:41:28,550 --> 04:41:25,680
it's like a dogmatism in the non-dualist

7866
04:41:30,310 --> 04:41:28,560
community about non-dualism

7867
04:41:32,868 --> 04:41:30,320
i don't get that from

7868
04:41:35,030 --> 04:41:32,878
advanced non-dual masters

7869
04:41:37,030 --> 04:41:35,040
who i would consider advanced

7870
04:41:40,390 --> 04:41:37,040
but certainly those kind of wannabe

7871
04:41:43,030 --> 04:41:40,400
folks who are who are maybe students

7872
04:41:44,230 --> 04:41:43,040
and are early on the path

7873
04:41:46,550 --> 04:41:44,240
um

7874
04:41:49,830 --> 04:41:46,560
it's certainly very easy to

7875
04:41:52,150 --> 04:41:49,840
yourself with ideas about non-duality

7876
04:41:53,750 --> 04:41:52,160
and all those ideas are not nonduality

7877
04:41:56,310 --> 04:41:53,760
all ideas about infinity are not

7878
04:41:58,868 --> 04:41:56,320
infinity so you can easily

7879
04:42:00,230 --> 04:41:58,878
fool yourself with with ideas that you

7880
04:42:01,990 --> 04:42:00,240
you might even fool yourself that you've

7881
04:42:04,150 --> 04:42:02,000
awoken

7882
04:42:05,430 --> 04:42:04,160
when you actually haven't

7883
04:42:07,030 --> 04:42:05,440
you can fool yourself to think that

7884
04:42:09,590 --> 04:42:07,040
you've awoken to the highest level when

7885
04:42:12,628 --> 04:42:09,600
you actually are at a shallow level of

7886
04:42:14,628 --> 04:42:12,638
awakening just that's just because

7887
04:42:15,830 --> 04:42:14,638
awakening is so is so tricky because you

7888
04:42:17,270 --> 04:42:15,840
have a little bit of awakening and then

7889
04:42:19,270 --> 04:42:17,280
you kind of even a little bit of

7890
04:42:21,430 --> 04:42:19,280
awakening is so awesome and radical that

7891
04:42:22,788 --> 04:42:21,440
you say like well this is amazing

7892
04:42:24,948 --> 04:42:22,798
surely there can't be anything beyond

7893
04:42:27,030 --> 04:42:24,958
this and then then later you'll realize

7894
04:42:27,410 --> 04:42:27,040
there's something beyond it

7895
04:42:29,430 --> 04:42:27,420
um

7896
04:42:31,590 --> 04:42:29,440
[Music]

7897
04:42:33,750 --> 04:42:31,600
so i i think that

7898
04:42:35,910 --> 04:42:33,760
though of course those traps exist

7899
04:42:37,430 --> 04:42:35,920
and you have to be very careful about

7900
04:42:39,510 --> 04:42:37,440
not conceptualizing this stuff and

7901
04:42:41,590 --> 04:42:39,520
turning it into an ideology

7902
04:42:43,750 --> 04:42:41,600
i don't see that in you necessarily but

7903
04:42:45,910 --> 04:42:43,760
i see that in many people i won't name

7904
04:42:47,110 --> 04:42:45,920
names but i sense a fakeness about some

7905
04:42:49,270 --> 04:42:47,120
of them i don't want to use the word

7906
04:42:50,628 --> 04:42:49,280
dogmatism about their non-duality

7907
04:42:52,150 --> 04:42:50,638
because i don't like to use the word

7908
04:42:53,830 --> 04:42:52,160
dogmatism lightly

7909
04:42:54,948 --> 04:42:53,840
and i almost feel like people use the

7910
04:42:56,550 --> 04:42:54,958
word dogmatism when they're trying to

7911
04:42:58,470 --> 04:42:56,560
say that your ideas are false and you're

7912
04:43:01,190 --> 04:42:58,480
just too attached to them but i sense a

7913
04:43:03,510 --> 04:43:01,200
defensiveness about their spiritual

7914
04:43:05,750 --> 04:43:03,520
beliefs and what they perceive to be

7915
04:43:08,070 --> 04:43:05,760
these recalcitrant scientists who have

7916
04:43:09,590 --> 04:43:08,080
this emphasis on models and language and

7917
04:43:11,590 --> 04:43:09,600
they have compassion to virtually

7918
04:43:13,110 --> 04:43:11,600
everyone except them

7919
04:43:14,310 --> 04:43:13,120
i see this a bit with thomas campbell

7920
04:43:16,150 --> 04:43:14,320
too

7921
04:43:17,990 --> 04:43:16,160
well i mean i'm a little guilty of that

7922
04:43:20,310 --> 04:43:18,000
myself in terms of like lack of

7923
04:43:21,510 --> 04:43:20,320
compassion towards uh very dense

7924
04:43:22,708 --> 04:43:21,520
scientists

7925
04:43:24,230 --> 04:43:22,718
like you know

7926
04:43:26,550 --> 04:43:24,240
everyone except

7927
04:43:28,628 --> 04:43:26,560
like richard dawkins type of person like

7928
04:43:30,230 --> 04:43:28,638
yeah so so you can turn science into

7929
04:43:33,830 --> 04:43:30,240
your shadow

7930
04:43:36,310 --> 04:43:33,840
like yeah you can turn richard dawkins

7931
04:43:37,750 --> 04:43:36,320
or daniel dennett into your shadow and

7932
04:43:39,910 --> 04:43:37,760
and i've been guilty of that in the past

7933
04:43:42,470 --> 04:43:39,920
to some degree you know i have bad mouth

7934
04:43:43,910 --> 04:43:42,480
sam harris at times um when i could have

7935
04:43:46,948 --> 04:43:43,920
been more compassionate because

7936
04:43:48,628 --> 04:43:46,958
ultimately what you learn is that

7937
04:43:50,070 --> 04:43:48,638
everything is happening everything you

7938
04:43:52,070 --> 04:43:50,080
don't like about reality is happening

7939
04:43:53,270 --> 04:43:52,080
out of ignorance so those people who are

7940
04:43:54,390 --> 04:43:53,280
doing something you don't like they're

7941
04:43:55,910 --> 04:43:54,400
doing it out of ignorance that means

7942
04:43:57,030 --> 04:43:55,920
they don't know any better

7943
04:43:58,550 --> 04:43:57,040
so they're like a little child that

7944
04:44:00,310 --> 04:43:58,560
doesn't know any better

7945
04:44:03,270 --> 04:44:00,320
and so the more conscious you become the

7946
04:44:06,150 --> 04:44:03,280
more you realize that so anybody who has

7947
04:44:08,628 --> 04:44:06,160
some sort of ideology or a scientist or

7948
04:44:10,310 --> 04:44:08,638
a philosopher or an academic or a

7949
04:44:11,750 --> 04:44:10,320
religious fanatic

7950
04:44:13,110 --> 04:44:11,760
they're only doing it because they're

7951
04:44:15,350 --> 04:44:13,120
stuck in their paradigm and they don't

7952
04:44:17,030 --> 04:44:15,360
see a way out and so can you really

7953
04:44:18,390 --> 04:44:17,040
blame them for that i mean if they knew

7954
04:44:19,430 --> 04:44:18,400
better if they were more conscious then

7955
04:44:20,868 --> 04:44:19,440
they would

7956
04:44:22,708 --> 04:44:20,878
act better

7957
04:44:24,150 --> 04:44:22,718
but you can't you can't really blame

7958
04:44:26,390 --> 04:44:24,160
richard dawkins for being richard

7959
04:44:27,590 --> 04:44:26,400
dawkins he is that way he's never going

7960
04:44:30,070 --> 04:44:27,600
to change

7961
04:44:31,750 --> 04:44:30,080
and uh and you just gotta accept that

7962
04:44:34,390 --> 04:44:31,760
he's stuck there

7963
04:44:35,590 --> 04:44:34,400
and and honestly awakening is not for

7964
04:44:38,070 --> 04:44:35,600
most people

7965
04:44:40,150 --> 04:44:38,080
because it's so extremely radical

7966
04:44:41,910 --> 04:44:40,160
uh most people are not willing to handle

7967
04:44:43,590 --> 04:44:41,920
god realization and this goes back to

7968
04:44:45,270 --> 04:44:43,600
your earlier question about attachment

7969
04:44:47,510 --> 04:44:45,280
do i think that it's appropriate to tell

7970
04:44:48,390 --> 04:44:47,520
everybody to drop their attachments not

7971
04:44:51,030 --> 04:44:48,400
at all

7972
04:44:54,788 --> 04:44:53,990
the majority of people

7973
04:44:58,390 --> 04:44:54,798
are

7974
04:44:59,510 --> 04:44:58,400
never awaken no matter how well you

7975
04:45:01,590 --> 04:44:59,520
teach them

7976
04:45:03,270 --> 04:45:01,600
so you should not try to shove awakening

7977
04:45:04,470 --> 04:45:03,280
down their throat

7978
04:45:07,430 --> 04:45:04,480
and

7979
04:45:09,590 --> 04:45:07,440
attachments so they need to be taught

7980
04:45:11,430 --> 04:45:09,600
how to live with their attachments in a

7981
04:45:13,350 --> 04:45:11,440
responsible way

7982
04:45:15,350 --> 04:45:13,360
not too attached

7983
04:45:17,430 --> 04:45:15,360
um but also you shouldn't tell them to

7984
04:45:19,110 --> 04:45:17,440
remove all attachments because

7985
04:45:20,708 --> 04:45:19,120
it's just not practical

7986
04:45:22,230 --> 04:45:20,718
and also even if you're awake you're

7987
04:45:24,310 --> 04:45:22,240
gonna have attachments

7988
04:45:26,868 --> 04:45:24,320
like literally you can't survive for

7989
04:45:28,788 --> 04:45:26,878
more than three days without attachment

7990
04:45:32,470 --> 04:45:28,798
to water

7991
04:45:36,470 --> 04:45:34,788
so survival necessitates certain

7992
04:45:38,070 --> 04:45:36,480
attachments

7993
04:45:41,110 --> 04:45:38,080
it's just it's more about it's more

7994
04:45:42,868 --> 04:45:41,120
about a nuanced sort of view of like

7995
04:45:44,948 --> 04:45:42,878
don't worry so much about letting go of

7996
04:45:46,708 --> 04:45:44,958
the most

7997
04:45:47,830 --> 04:45:46,718
healthy attachments you have like you

7998
04:45:50,470 --> 04:45:47,840
don't need to worry about maybe letting

7999
04:45:52,390 --> 04:45:50,480
go of your wife or your need for food or

8000
04:45:53,830 --> 04:45:52,400
water or a house

8001
04:45:55,910 --> 04:45:53,840
but you can certainly let go of a lot of

8002
04:45:57,990 --> 04:45:55,920
stupid attachments you have

8003
04:46:00,948 --> 04:45:58,000
especially in the i in the realm of

8004
04:46:02,070 --> 04:46:00,958
ideas ideologies beliefs you can let go

8005
04:46:04,150 --> 04:46:02,080
a lot of those you can let go of

8006
04:46:06,948 --> 04:46:04,160
political beliefs you can let go of

8007
04:46:09,910 --> 04:46:06,958
religious dogma scientific dogmas

8008
04:46:12,788 --> 04:46:09,920
you can let go of other like even your

8009
04:46:15,750 --> 04:46:12,798
emotional attachments to needing to

8010
04:46:18,708 --> 04:46:15,760
hurt somebody or to get back at them

8011
04:46:20,390 --> 04:46:18,718
or to defend yourself against an attack

8012
04:46:20,780 --> 04:46:20,400
or to

8013
04:46:24,708 --> 04:46:20,790
um

8014
04:46:26,310 --> 04:46:24,718
[Music]

8015
04:46:28,230 --> 04:46:26,320
to experience a lot of pleasure you can

8016
04:46:29,910 --> 04:46:28,240
let go some of those

8017
04:46:43,030 --> 04:46:29,920
and your life will

8018
04:46:47,190 --> 04:46:45,270
what i notice and i don't know what to

8019
04:46:48,628 --> 04:46:47,200
call this community i don't even know if

8020
04:46:51,750 --> 04:46:48,638
it's a community but the non-dualist

8021
04:46:53,510 --> 04:46:51,760
community new age spiritual guru types

8022
04:46:55,350 --> 04:46:53,520
are not even gurus forget about that

8023
04:46:57,510 --> 04:46:55,360
let's say the followers of the gurus

8024
04:46:59,030 --> 04:46:57,520
what i noticed in them

8025
04:47:01,510 --> 04:46:59,040
there's quite a bit that i notice in

8026
04:47:03,430 --> 04:47:01,520
them that perhaps

8027
04:47:04,550 --> 04:47:03,440
my aversion

8028
04:47:10,948 --> 04:47:04,560
to

8029
04:47:14,550 --> 04:47:11,990
well

8030
04:47:16,150 --> 04:47:14,560
what i notice in them is

8031
04:47:17,590 --> 04:47:16,160
there is an affectivity about their

8032
04:47:19,590 --> 04:47:17,600
happiness

8033
04:47:21,750 --> 04:47:19,600
and i don't know if you sense it but

8034
04:47:23,590 --> 04:47:21,760
i'm i'm fairly certain you sense it and

8035
04:47:25,510 --> 04:47:23,600
others sense it too where they seem

8036
04:47:27,430 --> 04:47:25,520
compelled to chuckle and to smile at

8037
04:47:30,470 --> 04:47:27,440
everything i think sad guru has a bit of

8038
04:47:33,670 --> 04:47:30,480
this quality and maybe to demonstrate

8039
04:47:34,708 --> 04:47:33,680
because to not to be mad or to be

8040
04:47:37,030 --> 04:47:34,718
to not

8041
04:47:38,550 --> 04:47:37,040
find humor in every little bit every

8042
04:47:39,510 --> 04:47:38,560
little challenge would be to demonstrate

8043
04:47:41,350 --> 04:47:39,520
that they're

8044
04:47:42,150 --> 04:47:41,360
incongruous and false

8045
04:47:44,868 --> 04:47:42,160
and

8046
04:47:47,110 --> 04:47:44,878
i see it as similar to putting on this

8047
04:47:48,070 --> 04:47:47,120
persona that the self-development

8048
04:47:50,470 --> 04:47:48,080
community has you know the

8049
04:47:52,470 --> 04:47:50,480
self-development many people

8050
04:47:54,708 --> 04:47:52,480
when they record videos they're like

8051
04:47:57,110 --> 04:47:54,718
all right guys let's do and they sm and

8052
04:47:58,788 --> 04:47:57,120
they smile no one smiles like that when

8053
04:48:00,788 --> 04:47:58,798
they're speaking they're like yeah all

8054
04:48:03,110 --> 04:48:00,798
right guys and let's go

8055
04:48:05,110 --> 04:48:03,120
and then they change they cut the

8056
04:48:07,750 --> 04:48:05,120
standard youtuber does that like they're

8057
04:48:09,990 --> 04:48:07,760
adopting someone else and it's

8058
04:48:11,910 --> 04:48:10,000
pickup gurus have this feigning of

8059
04:48:13,190 --> 04:48:11,920
masculinity and they change their voice

8060
04:48:14,788 --> 04:48:13,200
and they have

8061
04:48:19,350 --> 04:48:14,798
they display their intemperance with

8062
04:48:23,430 --> 04:48:21,190
all right guys this is this is how you

8063
04:48:25,830 --> 04:48:23,440
dominate and they've put on this

8064
04:48:27,110 --> 04:48:25,840
feigning and i also sense that in that's

8065
04:48:30,868 --> 04:48:27,120
like

8066
04:48:33,510 --> 04:48:30,878
i sense that in some of the non-dualist

8067
04:48:35,590 --> 04:48:33,520
community followers let's say and i'm

8068
04:48:36,708 --> 04:48:35,600
i'm just curious if you sense it too

8069
04:48:38,550 --> 04:48:36,718
like for example i don't really see that

8070
04:48:40,868 --> 04:48:38,560
with saad guru with sagar i see i see

8071
04:48:42,788 --> 04:48:40,878
him just being playful and kind of

8072
04:48:45,350 --> 04:48:42,798
i mean the dude is so conscious what has

8073
04:48:46,868 --> 04:48:45,360
he got to be mad about

8074
04:48:48,628 --> 04:48:46,878
i think he's just being playful and

8075
04:48:50,310 --> 04:48:48,638
that's just his personality i see him as

8076
04:48:51,510 --> 04:48:50,320
being pretty authentic

8077
04:48:54,230 --> 04:48:51,520
um

8078
04:48:56,390 --> 04:48:54,240
i think most of the highest quality

8079
04:48:58,230 --> 04:48:56,400
non-dual teachers from for most part i

8080
04:48:59,830 --> 04:48:58,240
find them to be extremely authentic in

8081
04:49:01,510 --> 04:48:59,840
fact i find them to be the most

8082
04:49:02,868 --> 04:49:01,520
authentic humans and there's a good

8083
04:49:04,550 --> 04:49:02,878
reason for that is because the only way

8084
04:49:05,830 --> 04:49:04,560
you can be authentic is by discovering

8085
04:49:07,270 --> 04:49:05,840
truth

8086
04:49:10,390 --> 04:49:07,280
because that's what you authentically

8087
04:49:12,230 --> 04:49:10,400
are everything else is a construction

8088
04:49:13,750 --> 04:49:12,240
uh you know much of your character is

8089
04:49:15,190 --> 04:49:13,760
just a construction

8090
04:49:16,470 --> 04:49:15,200
um

8091
04:49:18,070 --> 04:49:16,480
but

8092
04:49:20,948 --> 04:49:18,080
uh i i think if you're sort of

8093
04:49:23,350 --> 04:49:20,958
conflating non-duality with also

8094
04:49:24,948 --> 04:49:23,360
a lot of the new age community and also

8095
04:49:27,030 --> 04:49:24,958
youtubers

8096
04:49:28,788 --> 04:49:27,040
and such and self-help

8097
04:49:30,470 --> 04:49:28,798
then then yeah you can in the new age

8098
04:49:32,070 --> 04:49:30,480
and stuff you can probably put you can

8099
04:49:34,550 --> 04:49:32,080
find people who are like overly

8100
04:49:37,270 --> 04:49:34,560
lovey-dovey types everything is like

8101
04:49:39,110 --> 04:49:37,280
super positive and optimistic like um

8102
04:49:40,628 --> 04:49:39,120
who's that guy um

8103
04:49:42,628 --> 04:49:40,638
ralph waters have you seen this guy

8104
04:49:44,150 --> 04:49:42,638
infinite waters never heard

8105
04:49:45,590 --> 04:49:44,160
yeah he would probably be the best

8106
04:49:47,910 --> 04:49:45,600
example of what you're talking about

8107
04:49:49,750 --> 04:49:47,920
like this sort of like hey guys it's all

8108
04:49:51,350 --> 04:49:49,760
peace and love like he literally starts

8109
04:49:53,830 --> 04:49:51,360
his videos like that

8110
04:49:56,070 --> 04:49:53,840
and you know i wonder how authentic that

8111
04:49:57,510 --> 04:49:56,080
is to him maybe he is that i don't know

8112
04:49:59,270 --> 04:49:57,520
maybe he is that way or maybe he's

8113
04:50:00,310 --> 04:49:59,280
putting on a bit of an act i mean

8114
04:50:01,910 --> 04:50:00,320
honestly

8115
04:50:03,910 --> 04:50:01,920
when i do my youtube videos i put on an

8116
04:50:05,030 --> 04:50:03,920
act too i almost treat it as though i'm

8117
04:50:07,670 --> 04:50:05,040
like a

8118
04:50:09,270 --> 04:50:07,680
an actor on a stage so i over dramatize

8119
04:50:10,150 --> 04:50:09,280
some stuff and you know to make it a

8120
04:50:11,670 --> 04:50:10,160
little exciting because otherwise it

8121
04:50:14,070 --> 04:50:11,680
would just be boring as can you

8122
04:50:16,390 --> 04:50:14,080
give me that example one example well a

8123
04:50:19,110 --> 04:50:16,400
lot of times i'm i'm sort of in this

8124
04:50:21,350 --> 04:50:19,120
imaginary debate with like with almost

8125
04:50:23,670 --> 04:50:21,360
like an idiot in my audience so it's

8126
04:50:25,190 --> 04:50:23,680
like but leo i thought you said this and

8127
04:50:27,190 --> 04:50:25,200
then so you know i almost had this

8128
04:50:28,550 --> 04:50:27,200
conversation with myself i kind of i do

8129
04:50:29,750 --> 04:50:28,560
it tonight and cheek

8130
04:50:34,310 --> 04:50:29,760
um

8131
04:50:36,470 --> 04:50:34,320
because it makes my audience

8132
04:50:37,590 --> 04:50:36,480
feel like i'm talking down to them

8133
04:50:40,070 --> 04:50:37,600
um

8134
04:50:41,430 --> 04:50:40,080
uh and so i could give them more credit

8135
04:50:42,948 --> 04:50:41,440
like you you actually do a good job of

8136
04:50:44,550 --> 04:50:42,958
sort of assuming that your audience is

8137
04:50:46,948 --> 04:50:44,560
very intelligent and

8138
04:50:48,070 --> 04:50:46,958
can handle the technical stuff

8139
04:50:49,750 --> 04:50:48,080
um

8140
04:50:52,230 --> 04:50:49,760
i don't see that sometimes

8141
04:50:53,590 --> 04:50:52,240
i think sometimes i assume the opposite

8142
04:50:56,868 --> 04:50:53,600
a lot of times i assume my audience is

8143
04:50:59,670 --> 04:50:56,878
just like stupid as a doorknob

8144
04:51:01,590 --> 04:50:59,680
no but well i i think you're being a bit

8145
04:51:05,030 --> 04:51:01,600
harsh on yourself and i see i see when

8146
04:51:06,708 --> 04:51:05,040
you do that when you give these debates

8147
04:51:08,390 --> 04:51:06,718
do you do these debates aloud between

8148
04:51:09,990 --> 04:51:08,400
different personalities at least i

8149
04:51:12,390 --> 04:51:10,000
haven't seen you say that this is what

8150
04:51:14,230 --> 04:51:12,400
you're likely thinking

8151
04:51:15,590 --> 04:51:14,240
or even when you say that maybe i'm not

8152
04:51:16,868 --> 04:51:15,600
thinking you're talking about me i'm

8153
04:51:18,550 --> 04:51:16,878
thinking you're talking about someone

8154
04:51:20,390 --> 04:51:18,560
else because i've listened to so many of

8155
04:51:22,708 --> 04:51:20,400
these that is the intention like when i

8156
04:51:24,788 --> 04:51:22,718
say hey you know but leo whatever blah

8157
04:51:26,868 --> 04:51:24,798
blah blah

8158
04:51:28,788 --> 04:51:26,878
i'm sort of intending in my mind it's

8159
04:51:30,948 --> 04:51:28,798
not that i'm talking to you

8160
04:51:32,708 --> 04:51:30,958
it's that i'm talking to one of the

8161
04:51:34,708 --> 04:51:32,718
trolls in the comments section it's

8162
04:51:35,990 --> 04:51:34,718
almost like that

8163
04:51:37,270 --> 04:51:36,000
yeah

8164
04:51:39,910 --> 04:51:37,280
and then and i'm trying to make it kind

8165
04:51:41,990 --> 04:51:39,920
of funny like um i will try i will try

8166
04:51:43,990 --> 04:51:42,000
to sometimes like actually think of like

8167
04:51:45,670 --> 04:51:44,000
a really ridiculous sounding objection

8168
04:51:46,868 --> 04:51:45,680
and frame it in a really ridiculous way

8169
04:51:50,230 --> 04:51:46,878
just so that it

8170
04:51:52,390 --> 04:51:50,240
it's funny um but in a certain sense

8171
04:51:54,230 --> 04:51:52,400
it's not the best because it would be it

8172
04:51:57,750 --> 04:51:54,240
would be better if i like really steel

8173
04:51:59,350 --> 04:51:57,760
man some of my objections um and not not

8174
04:52:00,948 --> 04:51:59,360
like ridicule them but i also try to be

8175
04:52:01,750 --> 04:52:00,958
humorous

8176
04:52:03,190 --> 04:52:01,760
so

8177
04:52:05,510 --> 04:52:03,200
speaking of giving the audience a bit

8178
04:52:08,070 --> 04:52:05,520
more credit and i was talking to you

8179
04:52:09,990 --> 04:52:08,080
earlier about being more precise and

8180
04:52:11,830 --> 04:52:10,000
when i'm being persnickety it's not just

8181
04:52:13,830 --> 04:52:11,840
because i'm trying to

8182
04:52:15,590 --> 04:52:13,840
pick apart it's

8183
04:52:17,830 --> 04:52:15,600
it's because i think that the truth can

8184
04:52:20,390 --> 04:52:17,840
be found when you

8185
04:52:21,910 --> 04:52:20,400
are as precise as you possibly can be

8186
04:52:24,070 --> 04:52:21,920
and you take in an hour some people say

8187
04:52:25,190 --> 04:52:24,080
you're taking that analogy too far but i

8188
04:52:26,150 --> 04:52:25,200
don't think there's such a thing as

8189
04:52:27,990 --> 04:52:26,160
taking an

8190
04:52:31,350 --> 04:52:28,000
analogy too far i think there's

8191
04:52:33,590 --> 04:52:31,360
something like elongating an analogy and

8192
04:52:35,110 --> 04:52:33,600
mutilating it because you've

8193
04:52:36,948 --> 04:52:35,120
pushed it past this domain of

8194
04:52:38,550 --> 04:52:36,958
applicability but in that it's not

8195
04:52:40,550 --> 04:52:38,560
taking it too far you're actually

8196
04:52:42,150 --> 04:52:40,560
demonstrating the limits of what you're

8197
04:52:43,350 --> 04:52:42,160
analogizing and you gain some more

8198
04:52:45,190 --> 04:52:43,360
insight

8199
04:52:46,788 --> 04:52:45,200
so speaking about that as well as

8200
04:52:48,310 --> 04:52:46,798
speaking about treating the audience

8201
04:52:50,310 --> 04:52:48,320
well

8202
04:52:52,948 --> 04:52:50,320
i think that they're so i think there's

8203
04:52:54,390 --> 04:52:52,958
so many your audience and

8204
04:52:57,430 --> 04:52:54,400
the audience people who are listening to

8205
04:52:59,190 --> 04:52:57,440
this are so much more bright than

8206
04:52:59,910 --> 04:52:59,200
traditional media has given them credit

8207
04:53:02,150 --> 04:52:59,920
for

8208
04:53:03,990 --> 04:53:02,160
like the neil degrasse tyson would say

8209
04:53:05,670 --> 04:53:04,000
this is what gravity is you take it's

8210
04:53:07,270 --> 04:53:05,680
like a sheet it's like a mattress you

8211
04:53:08,948 --> 04:53:07,280
put a bowling ball and then you're

8212
04:53:10,390 --> 04:53:08,958
wondering like the average audience

8213
04:53:11,670 --> 04:53:10,400
member is thinking first to think oh

8214
04:53:13,270 --> 04:53:11,680
okay i understand it then second they're

8215
04:53:14,948 --> 04:53:13,280
like well you're using gravity to

8216
04:53:17,590 --> 04:53:14,958
explain gravity because the way that the

8217
04:53:19,350 --> 04:53:17,600
marble falls is because of gravity

8218
04:53:21,670 --> 04:53:19,360
now because i i've always had that

8219
04:53:24,070 --> 04:53:21,680
problem with that visualization

8220
04:53:26,070 --> 04:53:24,080
let me read to you something leo about

8221
04:53:28,150 --> 04:53:26,080
this whole

8222
04:53:30,628 --> 04:53:28,160
about being specific because raymond

8223
04:53:32,788 --> 04:53:30,638
smalling who's a mathematician one of

8224
04:53:35,110 --> 04:53:32,798
a mathematician that

8225
04:53:36,390 --> 04:53:35,120
i look up to so much him and douglas

8226
04:53:38,390 --> 04:53:36,400
hofstede are the people that i would

8227
04:53:39,750 --> 04:53:38,400
interview except raymond smallian is no

8228
04:53:40,628 --> 04:53:39,760
no longer with us

8229
04:53:43,030 --> 04:53:40,638
but

8230
04:53:45,430 --> 04:53:43,040
raymond smalian had this great

8231
04:53:46,230 --> 04:53:45,440
conversation between a mortal between a

8232
04:53:48,150 --> 04:53:46,240
man

8233
04:53:50,390 --> 04:53:48,160
essentially and god and it's about free

8234
04:53:54,788 --> 04:53:50,400
will and it's such a brilliant

8235
04:53:56,150 --> 04:53:54,798
conversation it's so fun it's so

8236
04:53:57,270 --> 04:53:56,160
it's so clever

8237
04:53:59,350 --> 04:53:57,280
that

8238
04:54:01,030 --> 04:53:59,360
i may well i may just spend an hour at

8239
04:54:02,788 --> 04:54:01,040
some point on another video just reading

8240
04:54:04,470 --> 04:54:02,798
this conversation from my audience but i

8241
04:54:05,750 --> 04:54:04,480
want to read it to you because you say

8242
04:54:08,150 --> 04:54:05,760
when you've gotten to some state you

8243
04:54:09,670 --> 04:54:08,160
feel an identity with god

8244
04:54:11,270 --> 04:54:09,680
and raymond smalian would say would

8245
04:54:13,910 --> 04:54:11,280
agree with so much of what you have to

8246
04:54:15,670 --> 04:54:13,920
say but would say that look it's not so

8247
04:54:16,788 --> 04:54:15,680
you feeling identical to god is not the

8248
04:54:18,628 --> 04:54:16,798
same as being god because there are

8249
04:54:20,550 --> 04:54:18,638
other possibilities so let me give you

8250
04:54:22,948 --> 04:54:20,560
let me read this for you

8251
04:54:24,948 --> 04:54:22,958
sure so the mortal says oh come on now

8252
04:54:27,030 --> 04:54:24,958
if i'm only talking to myself then how

8253
04:54:28,788 --> 04:54:27,040
can i be talking to you god

8254
04:54:30,230 --> 04:54:28,798
god says

8255
04:54:32,230 --> 04:54:30,240
i'm just in the middle of the story just

8256
04:54:34,948 --> 04:54:32,240
so you know he says god says your use of

8257
04:54:37,190 --> 04:54:34,958
the word only is quite misleading i can

8258
04:54:38,230 --> 04:54:37,200
suggest several logical possibilities

8259
04:54:40,070 --> 04:54:38,240
under which

8260
04:54:41,910 --> 04:54:40,080
you talking to yourself does not imply

8261
04:54:44,550 --> 04:54:41,920
that you're talking to me

8262
04:54:46,550 --> 04:54:44,560
okay the mortal says suggest just one

8263
04:54:47,990 --> 04:54:46,560
god says well obviously one such

8264
04:54:49,750 --> 04:54:48,000
possibility is that you and i are

8265
04:54:51,750 --> 04:54:49,760
identical sorry the mortal says that's

8266
04:54:53,830 --> 04:54:51,760
such a blasphemous thought luckily i

8267
04:54:55,830 --> 04:54:53,840
didn't utter it you uttered it god god

8268
04:54:57,350 --> 04:54:55,840
says okay according to some religions

8269
04:54:58,948 --> 04:54:57,360
yes that's blasphemous according to

8270
04:55:01,270 --> 04:54:58,958
others it's plain it's simple it's

8271
04:55:02,948 --> 04:55:01,280
immediate it's the perceived truth

8272
04:55:04,948 --> 04:55:02,958
the mortal says

8273
04:55:07,270 --> 04:55:04,958
so the only way out of my dilemma is to

8274
04:55:09,590 --> 04:55:07,280
believe that you and i are identical god

8275
04:55:11,590 --> 04:55:09,600
says not at all that's only one way out

8276
04:55:13,670 --> 04:55:11,600
there are several others for example it

8277
04:55:15,030 --> 04:55:13,680
may be that you are a part of me in

8278
04:55:16,708 --> 04:55:15,040
which case

8279
04:55:19,270 --> 04:55:16,718
you may be talking to that part of me

8280
04:55:21,350 --> 04:55:19,280
which is you or i may be part of you in

8281
04:55:24,070 --> 04:55:21,360
which case you may be talking to the

8282
04:55:26,070 --> 04:55:24,080
part of you which is in me or again you

8283
04:55:27,670 --> 04:55:26,080
and i might partially overlap in which

8284
04:55:29,350 --> 04:55:27,680
case you may be talking to the

8285
04:55:31,590 --> 04:55:29,360
intersection and hence talking to both

8286
04:55:33,510 --> 04:55:31,600
you and me the only way you're talking

8287
04:55:35,910 --> 04:55:33,520
to yourself might seem to imply that you

8288
04:55:38,470 --> 04:55:35,920
are not talking to me is if you and i

8289
04:55:40,150 --> 04:55:38,480
were totally disjoint and even then you

8290
04:55:42,150 --> 04:55:40,160
could conceivably be talking to both of

8291
04:55:44,150 --> 04:55:42,160
us anyway it's a clever you can see this

8292
04:55:47,270 --> 04:55:44,160
was written by a mathematician just on

8293
04:55:48,708 --> 04:55:47,280
the word usage it's such a fun it goes

8294
04:55:50,230 --> 04:55:48,718
on for an hour it's a conversation

8295
04:55:53,190 --> 04:55:50,240
between a man who in the beginning says

8296
04:55:54,788 --> 04:55:53,200
to god please god take away my free will

8297
04:55:57,830 --> 04:55:54,798
because it's such an

8298
04:55:59,670 --> 04:55:57,840
up it's such a huge burden and god is

8299
04:56:01,350 --> 04:55:59,680
like well i can take away your free will

8300
04:56:03,110 --> 04:56:01,360
but then once you commit horrible acts

8301
04:56:05,030 --> 04:56:03,120
and then the important the man is like

8302
04:56:07,670 --> 04:56:05,040
shoot okay yes well

8303
04:56:09,590 --> 04:56:07,680
okay but i won't have i won't feel my

8304
04:56:10,788 --> 04:56:09,600
free will and so i won't be responsible

8305
04:56:12,470 --> 04:56:10,798
for it and then god's like well won't

8306
04:56:15,030 --> 04:56:12,480
you be responsible now for what you do

8307
04:56:16,868 --> 04:56:15,040
then because you take it's such a fun

8308
04:56:18,070 --> 04:56:16,878
dialogue man

8309
04:56:20,948 --> 04:56:18,080
yeah it sounds like he's sort of

8310
04:56:24,150 --> 04:56:20,958
exploring all the paradoxes of uh of

8311
04:56:26,390 --> 04:56:24,160
what god is and there and i mean

8312
04:56:28,550 --> 04:56:26,400
when the finite mind tries to wrap

8313
04:56:30,550 --> 04:56:28,560
itself around the infinite it's

8314
04:56:32,948 --> 04:56:30,560
absolutely impossible for that to happen

8315
04:56:34,788 --> 04:56:32,958
so paradoxes

8316
04:56:36,708 --> 04:56:34,798
are the result of that

8317
04:56:39,190 --> 04:56:36,718
um that's what all paradox basically

8318
04:56:41,670 --> 04:56:39,200
boils down to um

8319
04:56:43,430 --> 04:56:41,680
what i would say is yeah i mean as great

8320
04:56:45,590 --> 04:56:43,440
and as fun as interesting and even

8321
04:56:47,990 --> 04:56:45,600
important as it is to consider all those

8322
04:56:49,430 --> 04:56:48,000
possibilities and it's always important

8323
04:56:50,708 --> 04:56:49,440
to consider how you might be wrong about

8324
04:56:51,750 --> 04:56:50,718
something

8325
04:56:53,990 --> 04:56:51,760
but

8326
04:56:56,070 --> 04:56:54,000
when you reach infinite consciousness

8327
04:56:58,628 --> 04:56:56,080
every single distinction that that

8328
04:57:00,948 --> 04:56:58,638
mathematician made in his arguments and

8329
04:57:02,470 --> 04:57:00,958
in his logic they will all collapse and

8330
04:57:05,110 --> 04:57:02,480
finally the distinction will collapse

8331
04:57:07,430 --> 04:57:05,120
between self and other and the last

8332
04:57:09,670 --> 04:57:07,440
thing you will realize is that you are

8333
04:57:11,750 --> 04:57:09,680
absolutely god and that there is no

8334
04:57:14,150 --> 04:57:11,760
other but you

8335
04:57:16,628 --> 04:57:14,160
and it's really interesting you know

8336
04:57:18,310 --> 04:57:16,638
because you might think like oh well

8337
04:57:20,070 --> 04:57:18,320
that's just what leo that's just like

8338
04:57:21,990 --> 04:57:20,080
how leo wants it to be because you know

8339
04:57:25,430 --> 04:57:22,000
he's a narcissist or something

8340
04:57:27,190 --> 04:57:25,440
but actually the way that it happens in

8341
04:57:28,390 --> 04:57:27,200
in practice when it really happens to

8342
04:57:31,030 --> 04:57:28,400
you there's a really interesting

8343
04:57:33,190 --> 04:57:31,040
psychological sort of dynamic is that

8344
04:57:35,510 --> 04:57:33,200
when it's when

8345
04:57:37,750 --> 04:57:35,520
you become conscious of god first of all

8346
04:57:39,590 --> 04:57:37,760
you become conscious of it at least this

8347
04:57:41,670 --> 04:57:39,600
is how it happened for me you become

8348
04:57:43,750 --> 04:57:41,680
conscious of it as other than you

8349
04:57:46,230 --> 04:57:43,760
so when i first became conscious of god

8350
04:57:48,550 --> 04:57:46,240
the first thing i realized is that holy

8351
04:57:50,868 --> 04:57:48,560
god exists

8352
04:57:52,708 --> 04:57:50,878
and i was wrong that was my first

8353
04:57:58,230 --> 04:57:52,718
realization

8354
04:58:03,190 --> 04:58:00,868
that just to realize that god exists

8355
04:58:05,750 --> 04:58:03,200
this was absolutely mind-blowing it's a

8356
04:58:07,910 --> 04:58:05,760
complete like your whole life will never

8357
04:58:09,510 --> 04:58:07,920
be the same after that point

8358
04:58:10,868 --> 04:58:09,520
not as a belief

8359
04:58:12,628 --> 04:58:10,878
but

8360
04:58:14,948 --> 04:58:12,638
more real than

8361
04:58:16,310 --> 04:58:14,958
uh anything else that you consider real

8362
04:58:18,868 --> 04:58:16,320
in your life

8363
04:58:21,430 --> 04:58:18,878
so that happens and then it took me a

8364
04:58:24,708 --> 04:58:21,440
lot more awakenings to

8365
04:58:25,910 --> 04:58:24,718
finally realize that holy it's not

8366
04:58:27,190 --> 04:58:25,920
just that

8367
04:58:28,390 --> 04:58:27,200
god exists

8368
04:58:31,190 --> 04:58:28,400
it's that

8369
04:58:32,708 --> 04:58:31,200
what is god see first you you find god

8370
04:58:34,310 --> 04:58:32,718
then you start to wonder but what is god

8371
04:58:36,470 --> 04:58:34,320
you still don't understand it then you

8372
04:58:36,470 --> 04:58:37,430
go you probe deeper and you realize

8373
04:58:41,750 --> 04:58:40,150
of course it's all one if it's all one

8374
04:58:43,350 --> 04:58:41,760
that means

8375
04:58:45,190 --> 04:58:43,360
i am god

8376
04:58:47,350 --> 04:58:45,200
i've been separated i've separated

8377
04:58:49,110 --> 04:58:47,360
myself from what i am because i feared

8378
04:58:50,708 --> 04:58:49,120
what i am because i was attached to a

8379
04:58:53,670 --> 04:58:50,718
finite identity of

8380
04:58:56,390 --> 04:58:53,680
a finite idea of myself

8381
04:58:58,310 --> 04:58:56,400
and so then you realize that but that's

8382
04:59:00,868 --> 04:58:58,320
still not where it ends then it goes

8383
04:59:02,470 --> 04:59:00,878
even deeper you realize god even deeper

8384
04:59:03,750 --> 04:59:02,480
what you are even deeper because you

8385
04:59:05,030 --> 04:59:03,760
still don't really understand what it is

8386
04:59:06,708 --> 04:59:05,040
you question deeper you have further

8387
04:59:08,788 --> 04:59:06,718
awakenings into what is really gone what

8388
04:59:11,270 --> 04:59:08,798
am i really

8389
04:59:15,590 --> 04:59:11,280
and then you realize that god is

8390
04:59:17,430 --> 04:59:15,600
infinite love and when you realize that

8391
04:59:20,150 --> 04:59:17,440
then you don't feel you don't feel

8392
04:59:22,550 --> 04:59:20,160
worthy you don't feel worthy to to to

8393
04:59:24,150 --> 04:59:22,560
accept yourself as that because it's too

8394
04:59:27,190 --> 04:59:24,160
good it's literally so good it's

8395
04:59:30,070 --> 04:59:27,200
impossible for it to be so good and your

8396
04:59:32,070 --> 04:59:30,080
your ego cannot cannot accept it i mean

8397
04:59:35,350 --> 04:59:32,080
i'm a i'm a rather arrogant and prideful

8398
04:59:37,750 --> 04:59:35,360
person but even when i realize that it's

8399
04:59:39,030 --> 04:59:37,760
too good to just latch on to it with

8400
04:59:41,350 --> 04:59:39,040
your ego

8401
04:59:43,750 --> 04:59:41,360
it it it humbles you

8402
04:59:46,868 --> 04:59:43,760
it humbles you so deeply that you say

8403
04:59:48,628 --> 04:59:46,878
uh you actually you almost do enter and

8404
04:59:51,190 --> 04:59:48,638
i did sort of enter into a conversation

8405
04:59:52,390 --> 04:59:51,200
with god sort of like in that dialogue

8406
04:59:54,150 --> 04:59:52,400
where it's like

8407
04:59:55,830 --> 04:59:54,160
you see god and you say oh my god you're

8408
04:59:57,830 --> 04:59:55,840
you're so beautiful you're infinite love

8409
04:59:59,590 --> 04:59:57,840
you're infinite everything

8410
05:00:02,390 --> 04:59:59,600
you created me

8411
05:00:06,230 --> 05:00:03,750
you're penetrating into the heart of

8412
05:00:07,990 --> 05:00:06,240
what god is and and and then as that's

8413
05:00:11,110 --> 05:00:08,000
happening you're being showered god is

8414
05:00:12,788 --> 05:00:11,120
sort of like radiating love upon you

8415
05:00:14,708 --> 05:00:12,798
literally like um

8416
05:00:17,430 --> 05:00:14,718
it's almost like coming closer to the

8417
05:00:19,350 --> 05:00:17,440
sun the sun just radiates you with its

8418
05:00:20,550 --> 05:00:19,360
heat

8419
05:00:22,868 --> 05:00:20,560
uh

8420
05:00:24,708 --> 05:00:22,878
and you don't feel worthy to be in the

8421
05:00:25,510 --> 05:00:24,718
presence of the sun

8422
05:00:27,590 --> 05:00:25,520
and

8423
05:00:29,990 --> 05:00:27,600
you just feel so humbled like i mean

8424
05:00:32,708 --> 05:00:30,000
you're in tears you're bawling

8425
05:00:34,070 --> 05:00:32,718
in tears you're writhing in ecstasy on

8426
05:00:36,310 --> 05:00:34,080
the floor

8427
05:00:39,830 --> 05:00:36,320
this is like a profound life-changing

8428
05:00:41,350 --> 05:00:39,840
experience as this is happening to you

8429
05:00:43,430 --> 05:00:41,360
uh and

8430
05:00:45,750 --> 05:00:43,440
and what what brings you to tears is to

8431
05:00:49,350 --> 05:00:45,760
realize how selfless god is how

8432
05:00:50,150 --> 05:00:49,360
beautiful how good la god is

8433
05:00:54,150 --> 05:00:50,160
but

8434
05:00:54,160 --> 05:00:58,230
is

8435
05:01:01,670 --> 05:01:00,070
because see there's still a duality

8436
05:01:03,670 --> 05:01:01,680
there because you're treating it as

8437
05:01:06,070 --> 05:01:03,680
separate from you it's like oh my god

8438
05:01:07,590 --> 05:01:06,080
it's amazing i'm not worthy of it and

8439
05:01:09,350 --> 05:01:07,600
then

8440
05:01:10,788 --> 05:01:09,360
and you're like god how can you be so

8441
05:01:11,990 --> 05:01:10,798
good

8442
05:01:15,190 --> 05:01:12,000
and then

8443
05:01:17,590 --> 05:01:15,200
the final coup de gras that god

8444
05:01:19,830 --> 05:01:17,600
bestows upon you is that god says

8445
05:01:21,030 --> 05:01:19,840
here

8446
05:01:24,868 --> 05:01:21,040
i'm you

8447
05:01:30,070 --> 05:01:28,150
you see so it's not that i'm above you

8448
05:01:31,990 --> 05:01:30,080
and that you're some part of me and that

8449
05:01:33,910 --> 05:01:32,000
i'm infinitely good and you're just a

8450
05:01:35,990 --> 05:01:33,920
little little human down there on the

8451
05:01:37,750 --> 05:01:36,000
earth and you you're trying to you know

8452
05:01:39,030 --> 05:01:37,760
uh pray to me and all this

8453
05:01:41,750 --> 05:01:39,040
it's not like that

8454
05:01:44,550 --> 05:01:41,760
the final gift the ultimate thing god

8455
05:01:46,628 --> 05:01:44,560
wants for everybody is only one thing

8456
05:01:49,990 --> 05:01:46,638
which is to realize that you're god

8457
05:01:51,990 --> 05:01:50,000
you're not a part of god you're not

8458
05:01:54,230 --> 05:01:52,000
a little figment of god

8459
05:01:55,590 --> 05:01:54,240
you're

8460
05:01:58,708 --> 05:01:55,600
god

8461
05:02:00,470 --> 05:01:58,718
and it's when you get that that it kills

8462
05:02:03,110 --> 05:02:00,480
you like literally what you experience

8463
05:02:05,110 --> 05:02:03,120
when if if you are

8464
05:02:06,470 --> 05:02:05,120
if you are willing to actually surrender

8465
05:02:07,990 --> 05:02:06,480
your ego

8466
05:02:10,070 --> 05:02:08,000
and here you require complete

8467
05:02:11,990 --> 05:02:10,080
self-surrender because the only way you

8468
05:02:14,310 --> 05:02:12,000
can accept the gift of infinite

8469
05:02:16,708 --> 05:02:14,320
selflessness and love is to completely

8470
05:02:18,230 --> 05:02:16,718
annihilate any attachment to any

8471
05:02:20,948 --> 05:02:18,240
physical identity you ever thought you

8472
05:02:22,868 --> 05:02:20,958
had when you are completely willing to

8473
05:02:24,788 --> 05:02:22,878
let go of absolutely everything the

8474
05:02:27,750 --> 05:02:24,798
final gift that is given to you is that

8475
05:02:31,830 --> 05:02:27,760
you simply become god and at that point

8476
05:02:35,670 --> 05:02:34,310
and you just are a pure singularity of

8477
05:02:37,830 --> 05:02:35,680
love

8478
05:02:40,390 --> 05:02:37,840
and at that point you realize

8479
05:02:42,150 --> 05:02:40,400
why everything exists and why it must

8480
05:02:44,310 --> 05:02:42,160
exist and why it can't be anything other

8481
05:02:46,708 --> 05:02:44,320
than what it is because if you think

8482
05:02:48,708 --> 05:02:46,718
about it just think about it if you had

8483
05:02:50,868 --> 05:02:48,718
the ability the power to create

8484
05:02:52,948 --> 05:02:50,878
absolutely anything

8485
05:02:54,948 --> 05:02:52,958
what would you create

8486
05:02:57,030 --> 05:02:54,958
and the answer is so simple you would

8487
05:03:02,150 --> 05:02:57,040
create nothing but infinite love you

8488
05:03:06,310 --> 05:03:04,470
showering it upon every possible being

8489
05:03:08,470 --> 05:03:06,320
that you could imagine

8490
05:03:11,350 --> 05:03:08,480
this is the only worthy thing for an

8491
05:03:13,510 --> 05:03:11,360
infinite intellect to do and god is pure

8492
05:03:15,670 --> 05:03:13,520
formless infinite intellect

8493
05:03:20,230 --> 05:03:15,680
it is an intelligence that figured out

8494
05:03:22,948 --> 05:03:20,240
how to create itself and to radiate love

8495
05:03:24,550 --> 05:03:22,958
to the maximum number of possible beings

8496
05:03:26,470 --> 05:03:24,560
that could ever be

8497
05:03:28,150 --> 05:03:26,480
conceived of

8498
05:03:30,230 --> 05:03:28,160
and that's what god is it's an infinite

8499
05:03:34,390 --> 05:03:30,240
radiation of love forever

8500
05:03:34,400 --> 05:03:37,990
and when you get that

8501
05:03:41,910 --> 05:03:40,310
you're done you've answered every

8502
05:03:44,230 --> 05:03:41,920
possible question that you could have

8503
05:03:46,390 --> 05:03:44,240
about yourself and

8504
05:03:47,990 --> 05:03:46,400
the universe

8505
05:03:49,750 --> 05:03:48,000
and it doesn't matter to you what the

8506
05:03:52,150 --> 05:03:49,760
details are science doesn't matter to

8507
05:03:53,910 --> 05:03:52,160
you math doesn't matter to you

8508
05:03:57,350 --> 05:03:53,920
non-duality doesn't matter to you you're

8509
05:03:59,670 --> 05:03:57,360
just love you're just pure love

8510
05:04:02,070 --> 05:03:59,680
imagine what what the universe was

8511
05:04:03,670 --> 05:04:02,080
before the big bang

8512
05:04:05,910 --> 05:04:03,680
right it feels kind of like that it's

8513
05:04:08,550 --> 05:04:05,920
like you become that

8514
05:04:11,510 --> 05:04:08,560
but not in a neutral way it's it's love

8515
05:04:13,510 --> 05:04:11,520
i'm so i'm wondering and i wonder this

8516
05:04:16,550 --> 05:04:13,520
i'm sure you've wondered this too

8517
05:04:18,868 --> 05:04:16,560
this quest that i have for a toe

8518
05:04:21,270 --> 05:04:18,878
i imagine it it's much more of a journey

8519
05:04:23,430 --> 05:04:21,280
than it is a goal and the reason is

8520
05:04:25,270 --> 05:04:23,440
because i don't want it to be a goal

8521
05:04:27,670 --> 05:04:25,280
imagine if i did get the theory of

8522
05:04:29,350 --> 05:04:27,680
everything what would i have left to do

8523
05:04:30,628 --> 05:04:29,360
would there be fun would there be

8524
05:04:32,150 --> 05:04:30,638
excitement

8525
05:04:34,868 --> 05:04:32,160
now you're saying you would just

8526
05:04:36,310 --> 05:04:34,878
dissolve in the pool of love

8527
05:04:38,788 --> 05:04:36,320
yeah well i'm saying that's why i say

8528
05:04:41,590 --> 05:04:38,798
radical too selfish i'm too selfish to

8529
05:04:45,190 --> 05:04:43,750
well you're yeah it's beyond a toe

8530
05:04:47,110 --> 05:04:45,200
because a toe is a theory and it's

8531
05:04:49,750 --> 05:04:47,120
beyond a theory but i know what you what

8532
05:04:53,110 --> 05:04:49,760
you mean um but yeah so what i'm saying

8533
05:04:54,788 --> 05:04:53,120
is so radical that if you

8534
05:04:56,230 --> 05:04:54,798
there's many degrees of this so it

8535
05:04:57,990 --> 05:04:56,240
depends how far you want to take it if

8536
05:05:00,390 --> 05:04:58,000
you take it to its penultima i mean not

8537
05:05:02,628 --> 05:05:00,400
penelope but just to the ultimate

8538
05:05:06,390 --> 05:05:02,638
if you take it to the ultimate

8539
05:05:09,590 --> 05:05:08,390
if you accept infinite love you're

8540
05:05:11,430 --> 05:05:09,600
actually going to destroy the entire

8541
05:05:13,670 --> 05:05:11,440
physical universe it's going to stop to

8542
05:05:15,430 --> 05:05:13,680
it's going to cease to exist

8543
05:05:16,868 --> 05:05:15,440
right okay let me get let me get

8544
05:05:19,030 --> 05:05:16,878
something straight here

8545
05:05:21,910 --> 05:05:19,040
for the audience as well as myself when

8546
05:05:24,470 --> 05:05:21,920
you say the universe will cease to exist

8547
05:05:26,948 --> 05:05:24,480
you are meaning your

8548
05:05:30,948 --> 05:05:26,958
from your perspective but somehow your

8549
05:05:34,390 --> 05:05:33,030
no at that point it's so absolute that

8550
05:05:35,750 --> 05:05:34,400
you realize that there are no other

8551
05:05:38,390 --> 05:05:35,760
perspectives but your own because you're

8552
05:05:40,708 --> 05:05:38,400
imagining all perspectives and so all

8553
05:05:42,788 --> 05:05:40,718
you will you will basically

8554
05:05:44,230 --> 05:05:42,798
destroy the universe for everything for

8555
05:05:47,750 --> 05:05:44,240
everybody

8556
05:05:47,760 --> 05:05:51,990
you'll become absolutely nothing forever

8557
05:05:57,030 --> 05:05:53,510
and

8558
05:05:58,470 --> 05:05:57,040
this has never happened before then

8559
05:06:00,628 --> 05:05:58,480
what has never happened

8560
05:06:02,628 --> 05:06:00,638
that someone or something has realized

8561
05:06:03,990 --> 05:06:02,638
this infinite truth and destroyed well

8562
05:06:06,310 --> 05:06:04,000
no

8563
05:06:08,708 --> 05:06:06,320
well that's where it gets tricky

8564
05:06:10,390 --> 05:06:08,718
it can only happen to you

8565
05:06:14,550 --> 05:06:10,400
there's not anybody else to whom it

8566
05:06:18,788 --> 05:06:16,708
yeah okay and then what happens from

8567
05:06:20,868 --> 05:06:18,798
other people's perspectives

8568
05:06:24,470 --> 05:06:20,878
they don't exist

8569
05:06:27,190 --> 05:06:24,480
so no one else's perspective exists

8570
05:06:28,708 --> 05:06:27,200
in the ultimate sense yes

8571
05:06:30,150 --> 05:06:28,718
help me understand this you understand

8572
05:06:31,590 --> 05:06:30,160
where i'm getting it

8573
05:06:32,948 --> 05:06:31,600
it's extremely apparent it's extremely

8574
05:06:35,030 --> 05:06:32,958
paradoxical because it's not that they

8575
05:06:37,510 --> 05:06:35,040
don't exist per se

8576
05:06:39,190 --> 05:06:37,520
um it it's much more radical than solid

8577
05:06:41,670 --> 05:06:39,200
so some people say that solipsism is

8578
05:06:43,830 --> 05:06:41,680
kind of ugly and uh

8579
05:06:46,470 --> 05:06:43,840
unpalatable and it's like oh you know i

8580
05:06:48,310 --> 05:06:46,480
don't like solipsism

8581
05:06:49,670 --> 05:06:48,320
or it's too crazy to be true you know

8582
05:06:52,628 --> 05:06:49,680
something like solacism is just too

8583
05:06:54,390 --> 05:06:52,638
wacky it shouldn't be true um

8584
05:06:56,550 --> 05:06:54,400
it's too radical and actually what i'm

8585
05:06:57,670 --> 05:06:56,560
saying is that solipsism is not radical

8586
05:06:59,510 --> 05:06:57,680
enough

8587
05:07:01,990 --> 05:06:59,520
to be true so

8588
05:07:05,030 --> 05:07:02,000
what actually happens is that it's not

8589
05:07:07,110 --> 05:07:05,040
just that you're alone in the universe

8590
05:07:09,830 --> 05:07:07,120
the reason you're alone is because

8591
05:07:11,190 --> 05:07:09,840
you're so together so look what happens

8592
05:07:12,150 --> 05:07:11,200
right now we're sitting here and you're

8593
05:07:14,550 --> 05:07:12,160
imagining that there's all these

8594
05:07:16,550 --> 05:07:14,560
different perspectives and people you me

8595
05:07:18,868 --> 05:07:16,560
dogs and cats and so forth

8596
05:07:21,110 --> 05:07:18,878
but as you become more conscious

8597
05:07:23,430 --> 05:07:21,120
all those divisions

8598
05:07:25,590 --> 05:07:23,440
they are merging towards each other look

8599
05:07:27,750 --> 05:07:25,600
like this they're coming together coming

8600
05:07:29,510 --> 05:07:27,760
closer together and closer together and

8601
05:07:31,190 --> 05:07:29,520
it's all a convergence imagine like a

8602
05:07:32,708 --> 05:07:31,200
cone like this

8603
05:07:34,230 --> 05:07:32,718
right it's an infinite cone it goes

8604
05:07:36,708 --> 05:07:34,240
infinitely far down but eventually it

8605
05:07:38,470 --> 05:07:36,718
all converges and moves upward and all

8606
05:07:39,270 --> 05:07:38,480
the divisions are dissolving

8607
05:07:40,550 --> 05:07:39,280
and

8608
05:07:41,990 --> 05:07:40,560
all

8609
05:07:44,470 --> 05:07:42,000
differences between perspectives are

8610
05:07:48,070 --> 05:07:44,480
dissolving until finally you reach the

8611
05:07:50,390 --> 05:07:48,080
top of the cone at the top of the cone

8612
05:07:53,270 --> 05:07:50,400
there's just you

8613
05:07:55,750 --> 05:07:53,280
because you've literally fused yourself

8614
05:07:57,510 --> 05:07:55,760
into every other thing so

8615
05:07:59,510 --> 05:07:57,520
it might uh you can interpret it as like

8616
05:08:01,190 --> 05:07:59,520
oh well that's kind of bleak because i'm

8617
05:08:02,550 --> 05:08:01,200
just by myself

8618
05:08:04,150 --> 05:08:02,560
but that's not quite the right way to

8619
05:08:06,230 --> 05:08:04,160
think about it the other way to

8620
05:08:09,510 --> 05:08:06,240
interpret is that the reason i'm by

8621
05:08:11,910 --> 05:08:09,520
myself is because i'm so together so

8622
05:08:14,788 --> 05:08:11,920
imagine if we took you and your wife and

8623
05:08:17,590 --> 05:08:14,798
we merged you together in love

8624
05:08:19,990 --> 05:08:17,600
so deeply that you weren't just having

8625
05:08:22,150 --> 05:08:20,000
intercourse with each other but you were

8626
05:08:23,910 --> 05:08:22,160
physically fusing your bodies and

8627
05:08:26,628 --> 05:08:23,920
consciousnesses and minds into each

8628
05:08:29,110 --> 05:08:26,638
other so completely that by the end of

8629
05:08:31,670 --> 05:08:29,120
that process there was no more

8630
05:08:34,470 --> 05:08:31,680
separation at all between

8631
05:08:35,910 --> 05:08:34,480
kurt and your wife and you were just

8632
05:08:37,110 --> 05:08:35,920
one

8633
05:08:39,270 --> 05:08:37,120
in love

8634
05:08:40,868 --> 05:08:39,280
forever

8635
05:08:44,150 --> 05:08:40,878
and you would never separate again you

8636
05:08:46,390 --> 05:08:44,160
would be in love forever eternally

8637
05:08:48,868 --> 05:08:46,400
but you and her no longer would exist

8638
05:08:51,270 --> 05:08:48,878
you would just be complete

8639
05:08:53,990 --> 05:08:51,280
undifferentiated oneness and now imagine

8640
05:08:55,990 --> 05:08:54,000
that that happens with every single

8641
05:08:59,430 --> 05:08:56,000
human and living being who could ever

8642
05:09:02,230 --> 05:08:59,440
exist ever in any possible multiverse

8643
05:09:04,230 --> 05:09:02,240
all of it merged absolutely into one you

8644
05:09:06,948 --> 05:09:04,240
not only merge with humans and cats and

8645
05:09:09,910 --> 05:09:06,958
dogs you you literally make physical

8646
05:09:13,510 --> 05:09:09,920
love to couches chairs tables

8647
05:09:17,110 --> 05:09:13,520
mathematics numbers science computers

8648
05:09:20,628 --> 05:09:17,120
simulations aliens psychedelics uh

8649
05:09:23,510 --> 05:09:20,638
rocks trees all of it merged into one

8650
05:09:24,788 --> 05:09:23,520
and you have

8651
05:09:30,628 --> 05:09:24,798
love

8652
05:09:34,470 --> 05:09:33,430
let's imagine sam harris encountered

8653
05:09:35,910 --> 05:09:34,480
god

8654
05:09:38,150 --> 05:09:35,920
but he would just say well you're saying

8655
05:09:39,110 --> 05:09:38,160
god is ultimate reality something like

8656
05:09:43,350 --> 05:09:39,120
that

8657
05:09:45,190 --> 05:09:43,360
encountered ultimate reality i agree i

8658
05:09:46,550 --> 05:09:45,200
wouldn't call it god i don't know why

8659
05:09:48,628 --> 05:09:46,560
you have to attach a religious

8660
05:09:52,070 --> 05:09:48,638
connotation to it so what do you say to

8661
05:09:55,430 --> 05:09:52,080
that like why are you using the term god

8662
05:09:57,030 --> 05:09:55,440
so uh there's a very specific

8663
05:09:59,110 --> 05:09:57,040
state of consciousness that you reach

8664
05:10:00,788 --> 05:09:59,120
that i call god realization it's a very

8665
05:10:02,628 --> 05:10:00,798
distinctive shift where you actually

8666
05:10:05,590 --> 05:10:02,638
realize that you're god

8667
05:10:08,390 --> 05:10:05,600
and um it's not just nothingness it's

8668
05:10:10,070 --> 05:10:08,400
not just emptiness it's not just a some

8669
05:10:13,750 --> 05:10:10,080
sort of like

8670
05:10:16,230 --> 05:10:13,760
object like a table or or or a chair

8671
05:10:22,150 --> 05:10:16,240
it's it's not a person and it's not like

8672
05:10:27,190 --> 05:10:25,430
god is technically speaking is it is

8673
05:10:29,590 --> 05:10:27,200
self-creation

8674
05:10:31,830 --> 05:10:29,600
so what it means when i say that you are

8675
05:10:34,230 --> 05:10:31,840
god it is to realize that you are

8676
05:10:37,190 --> 05:10:34,240
literally imagining your own body and

8677
05:10:39,510 --> 05:10:37,200
hands into existence you're so conscious

8678
05:10:41,590 --> 05:10:39,520
that you know how you're doing it you're

8679
05:10:43,670 --> 05:10:41,600
so conscious that you you are literally

8680
05:10:45,110 --> 05:10:43,680
conscious of how you're constructing all

8681
05:10:47,590 --> 05:10:45,120
of reality

8682
05:10:49,430 --> 05:10:47,600
so what would you call a infinitely

8683
05:10:50,390 --> 05:10:49,440
conscious agent that is infinitely

8684
05:10:53,430 --> 05:10:50,400
intelligent

8685
05:10:54,948 --> 05:10:53,440
infinitely good infinitely powerful

8686
05:10:58,470 --> 05:10:54,958
infinitely loving

8687
05:11:01,110 --> 05:10:58,480
and self-created that means god

8688
05:11:02,868 --> 05:11:01,120
is so is so free of limitation and even

8689
05:11:05,910 --> 05:11:02,878
logical

8690
05:11:07,910 --> 05:11:05,920
uh constraint that it is able to create

8691
05:11:09,270 --> 05:11:07,920
itself out of nothing and it's

8692
05:11:11,910 --> 05:11:09,280
constantly creating itself and it's

8693
05:11:16,708 --> 05:11:11,920
endlessly creative it is creativity

8694
05:11:23,670 --> 05:11:18,708
you'd call it god

8695
05:11:23,680 --> 05:11:27,510
that's what it is that's what you are

8696
05:11:32,150 --> 05:11:29,510
let's get to some of these audience

8697
05:11:35,750 --> 05:11:32,160
questions man

8698
05:11:40,150 --> 05:11:35,760
let's do it this has been so fun

8699
05:11:44,948 --> 05:11:42,550
actually one of my notes here before i

8700
05:11:47,110 --> 05:11:44,958
get to them i have a note on i have a

8701
05:11:49,270 --> 05:11:47,120
note that says one one wouldn't have the

8702
05:11:51,350 --> 05:11:49,280
levels of spiral dynamics if one truly

8703
05:11:53,430 --> 05:11:51,360
believed in spiral dynamics and the

8704
05:11:55,270 --> 05:11:53,440
reason is because at the highest stage

8705
05:11:57,830 --> 05:11:55,280
of spiral dynamics is indigo and one

8706
05:11:59,270 --> 05:11:57,840
realizes there's no rank there's not one

8707
05:12:01,110 --> 05:11:59,280
position that's privileged over the

8708
05:12:03,110 --> 05:12:01,120
other and thus you can't say that

8709
05:12:05,750 --> 05:12:03,120
there's a development because to say

8710
05:12:07,350 --> 05:12:05,760
develop implies a direction even to say

8711
05:12:08,868 --> 05:12:07,360
incorporation

8712
05:12:11,030 --> 05:12:08,878
implies

8713
05:12:12,868 --> 05:12:11,040
that you privilege inclusiveness over

8714
05:12:15,110 --> 05:12:12,878
exclusiveness

8715
05:12:17,190 --> 05:12:15,120
and so to me the developers of spyro

8716
05:12:18,948 --> 05:12:17,200
spiral dynamics to even write it as a

8717
05:12:21,830 --> 05:12:18,958
hierarchy means they weren't at the

8718
05:12:23,270 --> 05:12:21,840
stage where hierarchies were meaningless

8719
05:12:24,628 --> 05:12:23,280
well certainly

8720
05:12:26,390 --> 05:12:24,638
certainly the developers of spiral

8721
05:12:28,390 --> 05:12:26,400
dynamics they themselves rated

8722
05:12:29,590 --> 05:12:28,400
themselves at like stage

8723
05:12:33,510 --> 05:12:29,600
blue

8724
05:12:35,510 --> 05:12:33,520
not indigo there was no first of all

8725
05:12:37,990 --> 05:12:35,520
indigo is a is an idea from ken wilbur's

8726
05:12:39,990 --> 05:12:38,000
model so it's a little bit more advanced

8727
05:12:41,350 --> 05:12:40,000
um but but yeah it's just a model spot

8728
05:12:42,788 --> 05:12:41,360
name is just a model it's basically a

8729
05:12:44,230 --> 05:12:42,798
scientific model so it has all the

8730
05:12:45,430 --> 05:12:44,240
limits that scientific models tend to

8731
05:12:46,470 --> 05:12:45,440
have

8732
05:12:48,868 --> 05:12:46,480
and so

8733
05:12:51,670 --> 05:12:48,878
it it it only works in a sort of

8734
05:12:53,750 --> 05:12:51,680
relative pragmatic sense you shouldn't

8735
05:12:55,190 --> 05:12:53,760
attribute it as an absolute you

8736
05:12:57,110 --> 05:12:55,200
shouldn't think that these levels are

8737
05:13:00,070 --> 05:12:57,120
somehow baked into the actual fabric of

8738
05:13:01,590 --> 05:13:00,080
existence it's just uh it's just a handy

8739
05:13:03,990 --> 05:13:01,600
way of categorizing people in the same

8740
05:13:06,470 --> 05:13:04,000
way that like we can categorize

8741
05:13:08,150 --> 05:13:06,480
um you know animals according to like

8742
05:13:11,030 --> 05:13:08,160
reptiles

8743
05:13:12,070 --> 05:13:11,040
birds mammals etc but like i mean these

8744
05:13:13,910 --> 05:13:12,080
are not these are not absolute

8745
05:13:15,350 --> 05:13:13,920
categories that there are plenty of

8746
05:13:17,510 --> 05:13:15,360
animals that kind of have

8747
05:13:20,390 --> 05:13:17,520
features that are in between and we

8748
05:13:22,150 --> 05:13:20,400
could change how we categorize animals

8749
05:13:24,708 --> 05:13:22,160
we don't need the reptile category per

8750
05:13:26,628 --> 05:13:24,718
se

8751
05:13:31,750 --> 05:13:26,638
it's the principle of impermanence not

8752
05:13:35,990 --> 05:13:34,230
yeah so sometimes it's said that um

8753
05:13:38,550 --> 05:13:36,000
the only thing that's permanent is

8754
05:13:40,550 --> 05:13:38,560
impermanence yeah so why is that that

8755
05:13:41,990 --> 05:13:40,560
kind of paradox

8756
05:13:45,510 --> 05:13:42,000
how does that happen

8757
05:13:55,990 --> 05:13:47,110
how is it that you can say everything is

8758
05:13:58,628 --> 05:13:57,430
it sort of depends on what perspective

8759
05:14:01,110 --> 05:13:58,638
you look at it from again it's

8760
05:14:03,270 --> 05:14:01,120
relativistic um i would say that that

8761
05:14:06,550 --> 05:14:03,280
principle mostly is applied at the sort

8762
05:14:07,670 --> 05:14:06,560
of more basic level of human life

8763
05:14:08,948 --> 05:14:07,680
um

8764
05:14:10,390 --> 05:14:08,958
if you're going to the very highest

8765
05:14:12,470 --> 05:14:10,400
absolute levels you might even just say

8766
05:14:13,910 --> 05:14:12,480
that everything is permanent

8767
05:14:15,990 --> 05:14:13,920
um

8768
05:14:17,590 --> 05:14:16,000
like permanent love or something whereas

8769
05:14:18,830 --> 05:14:17,600
if you're at the at the lower levels of

8770
05:14:20,788 --> 05:14:18,840
consciousness

8771
05:14:23,830 --> 05:14:20,798
um

8772
05:14:25,430 --> 05:14:23,840
just your experience of of life

8773
05:14:27,510 --> 05:14:25,440
it's almost like a scientific statement

8774
05:14:29,990 --> 05:14:27,520
i mean we're all scientifically speaking

8775
05:14:31,830 --> 05:14:30,000
we're always experiencing consciousness

8776
05:14:32,948 --> 05:14:31,840
as fluid and changing

8777
05:14:34,948 --> 05:14:32,958
it's never

8778
05:14:36,868 --> 05:14:34,958
stuck

8779
05:14:38,150 --> 05:14:36,878
as far as we know empirically speaking

8780
05:14:40,230 --> 05:14:38,160
right have you ever experienced a

8781
05:14:42,230 --> 05:14:40,240
permanent state of consciousness where

8782
05:14:43,590 --> 05:14:42,240
it's stuck forever

8783
05:14:45,830 --> 05:14:43,600
no right

8784
05:14:49,030 --> 05:14:45,840
and so and and really i don't know of

8785
05:14:50,708 --> 05:14:49,040
any human who has described such a state

8786
05:14:53,110 --> 05:14:50,718
otherwise how could they even talk about

8787
05:14:53,990 --> 05:14:53,120
it because they would be stuck in it you

8788
05:14:56,150 --> 05:14:54,000
basically have to freeze the whole

8789
05:14:57,430 --> 05:14:56,160
universe so it's almost like you could

8790
05:14:59,030 --> 05:14:57,440
think of it scientifically like the

8791
05:15:00,310 --> 05:14:59,040
whole universe is moving you could

8792
05:15:02,550 --> 05:15:00,320
almost say like the whole universe is

8793
05:15:04,708 --> 05:15:02,560
expanding just that right there the big

8794
05:15:06,150 --> 05:15:04,718
bang alone tells you that you can't have

8795
05:15:07,510 --> 05:15:06,160
permanence

8796
05:15:08,868 --> 05:15:07,520
what do you make of this argument from

8797
05:15:09,750 --> 05:15:08,878
chris langan

8798
05:15:11,910 --> 05:15:09,760
which

8799
05:15:13,590 --> 05:15:11,920
says that you have free will the reason

8800
05:15:16,788 --> 05:15:13,600
you have free will is because you are

8801
05:15:20,070 --> 05:15:16,798
god and god is ultimate reality there is

8802
05:15:23,590 --> 05:15:20,080
no limitation set on the universe except

8803
05:15:25,350 --> 05:15:23,600
from the universe because that's correct

8804
05:15:28,390 --> 05:15:25,360
so there is no

8805
05:15:30,230 --> 05:15:28,400
so the universe is self-determining

8806
05:15:32,310 --> 05:15:30,240
and there's no yeah it is definition of

8807
05:15:34,550 --> 05:15:32,320
free will then self-determination

8808
05:15:35,590 --> 05:15:34,560
so yeah the universe you inherit free

8809
05:15:36,788 --> 05:15:35,600
will

8810
05:15:37,910 --> 05:15:36,798
yeah god is

8811
05:15:40,070 --> 05:15:37,920
god is

8812
05:15:41,430 --> 05:15:40,080
god creates everything using infinite

8813
05:15:42,708 --> 05:15:41,440
will

8814
05:15:45,110 --> 05:15:42,718
um

8815
05:15:47,350 --> 05:15:45,120
and uh and

8816
05:15:49,270 --> 05:15:47,360
god could give you a a portion of its

8817
05:15:51,110 --> 05:15:49,280
will right so in the same way that you

8818
05:15:52,310 --> 05:15:51,120
have as a human you have a portion of

8819
05:15:54,070 --> 05:15:52,320
god's

8820
05:15:56,948 --> 05:15:54,080
intellect

8821
05:16:00,470 --> 05:15:56,958
right now to make sense of the words i'm

8822
05:16:03,510 --> 05:16:00,480
saying your iq that's god's intellect

8823
05:16:05,270 --> 05:16:03,520
filtered down to a very low level

8824
05:16:07,430 --> 05:16:05,280
right so god has like an infinite iq you

8825
05:16:09,190 --> 05:16:07,440
could say a human has a portion of that

8826
05:16:11,350 --> 05:16:09,200
likewise you could say that you have a

8827
05:16:14,628 --> 05:16:11,360
portion of god's will but a very small

8828
05:16:17,110 --> 05:16:14,638
portion so you can for example

8829
05:16:18,948 --> 05:16:17,120
imagine some thought

8830
05:16:20,550 --> 05:16:18,958
and then go into the real world and try

8831
05:16:21,350 --> 05:16:20,560
to build that like you have an idea for

8832
05:16:32,708 --> 05:16:21,360
a

8833
05:16:34,550 --> 05:16:32,718
like

8834
05:16:36,788 --> 05:16:34,560
you as an artist as a filmmaker and so

8835
05:16:38,788 --> 05:16:36,798
forth as a rapper and whatever like you

8836
05:16:41,350 --> 05:16:38,798
you understand and you probably get joy

8837
05:16:43,830 --> 05:16:41,360
out of being creative right

8838
05:16:46,628 --> 05:16:43,840
why does that give you joy because

8839
05:16:48,150 --> 05:16:46,638
inherently that is god's business

8840
05:16:50,310 --> 05:16:48,160
if god has no other business but to

8841
05:16:52,150 --> 05:16:50,320
create that that is the highest joy is

8842
05:16:54,788 --> 05:16:52,160
to be creative and to be sharing your

8843
05:16:56,230 --> 05:16:54,798
creative gifts with with others that's

8844
05:16:58,470 --> 05:16:56,240
what creativity is about and then as a

8845
05:17:00,150 --> 05:16:58,480
human you do it in a limited finite way

8846
05:17:01,990 --> 05:17:00,160
you know you don't have all the creative

8847
05:17:03,990 --> 05:17:02,000
capacities of god you can't literally

8848
05:17:06,070 --> 05:17:04,000
imagine a house into existence

8849
05:17:08,310 --> 05:17:06,080
so you have to first imagine it in your

8850
05:17:09,830 --> 05:17:08,320
mind it's a little faint image and then

8851
05:17:11,110 --> 05:17:09,840
you have to go and actually buy the

8852
05:17:12,310 --> 05:17:11,120
lumber at home depot and build the

8853
05:17:13,270 --> 05:17:12,320
thing

8854
05:17:14,708 --> 05:17:13,280
um

8855
05:17:15,830 --> 05:17:14,718
and so in that sense you have a little

8856
05:17:17,990 --> 05:17:15,840
bit of free will and you could

8857
05:17:20,788 --> 05:17:18,000
participate a little bit in the activity

8858
05:17:22,390 --> 05:17:20,798
of of being like god being a creator

8859
05:17:25,430 --> 05:17:22,400
being a little god

8860
05:17:26,788 --> 05:17:25,440
so see god is delegating its godhood to

8861
05:17:27,590 --> 05:17:26,798
all the little agents out there in the

8862
05:17:29,190 --> 05:17:27,600
world

8863
05:17:31,350 --> 05:17:29,200
and giving them a little bit of a taste

8864
05:17:32,868 --> 05:17:31,360
of what it's like to be god and then if

8865
05:17:34,550 --> 05:17:32,878
you like that you can

8866
05:17:36,150 --> 05:17:34,560
do more of that

8867
05:17:37,670 --> 05:17:36,160
and that's why people become artists and

8868
05:17:38,948 --> 05:17:37,680
creatives

8869
05:17:41,830 --> 05:17:38,958
and those people are usually more

8870
05:17:45,270 --> 05:17:43,270
in the same way that

8871
05:17:48,390 --> 05:17:45,280
you say that god is in the business of

8872
05:17:51,110 --> 05:17:48,400
creation can one also say by duality god

8873
05:17:53,110 --> 05:17:51,120
is in the business of destruction

8874
05:17:55,270 --> 05:17:53,120
yeah i'm in creation in an absolute

8875
05:17:56,470 --> 05:17:55,280
sense um but yeah yeah destruction is a

8876
05:17:58,708 --> 05:17:56,480
part of creation because you can't have

8877
05:18:00,868 --> 05:17:58,718
creation without destruction

8878
05:18:02,868 --> 05:18:00,878
so in the same way like why is it that

8879
05:18:04,390 --> 05:18:02,878
when you talked about

8880
05:18:06,390 --> 05:18:04,400
why is it that when you said it you said

8881
05:18:08,390 --> 05:18:06,400
the word creation now imagine it's

8882
05:18:10,868 --> 05:18:08,400
cultural well one could say it's

8883
05:18:13,350 --> 05:18:10,878
cultural we think of creation as a

8884
05:18:15,030 --> 05:18:13,360
positive and so if i want to attribute

8885
05:18:17,750 --> 05:18:15,040
positive qualities to god i'm going to

8886
05:18:19,190 --> 05:18:17,760
prioritize creation but i equally could

8887
05:18:21,270 --> 05:18:19,200
have said destruction now is that the

8888
05:18:23,110 --> 05:18:21,280
case or no

8889
05:18:27,350 --> 05:18:23,120
could you equally have sudden

8890
05:18:30,628 --> 05:18:29,350
again it is very relativistic it depends

8891
05:18:32,310 --> 05:18:30,638
on how you define these terms in your

8892
05:18:34,550 --> 05:18:32,320
mind the way i define these terms in my

8893
05:18:36,788 --> 05:18:34,560
mind is that i have a lowercase c

8894
05:18:38,708 --> 05:18:36,798
creation and a lowercase c destruct a

8895
05:18:39,990 --> 05:18:38,718
lowercase d destruction and then i have

8896
05:18:42,390 --> 05:18:40,000
an uppercase

8897
05:18:44,550 --> 05:18:42,400
c absolute creation which encompasses

8898
05:18:46,788 --> 05:18:44,560
both of those ah

8899
05:18:47,910 --> 05:18:46,798
um i don't do that with the word

8900
05:18:50,470 --> 05:18:47,920
destruction

8901
05:18:51,670 --> 05:18:50,480
um and the reason is is because um

8902
05:18:53,350 --> 05:18:51,680
i don't know it just kind of feels

8903
05:18:55,350 --> 05:18:53,360
intuitively wrong to do that i mean i

8904
05:18:56,948 --> 05:18:55,360
you probably could do that

8905
05:18:58,788 --> 05:18:56,958
nothing is stopping you you can

8906
05:19:00,788 --> 05:18:58,798
formulate your worldview or models of

8907
05:19:01,990 --> 05:19:00,798
god however you want no one's going to

8908
05:19:04,070 --> 05:19:02,000
stop you

8909
05:19:06,150 --> 05:19:04,080
um but

8910
05:19:07,750 --> 05:19:06,160
it just like

8911
05:19:09,990 --> 05:19:07,760
it feels more intuitive to me to think

8912
05:19:11,510 --> 05:19:10,000
of god as creator rather than destructor

8913
05:19:13,830 --> 05:19:11,520
although of course

8914
05:19:17,350 --> 05:19:13,840
you you have destruction is is a part of

8915
05:19:20,708 --> 05:19:19,190
but like for example look if you're an

8916
05:19:22,150 --> 05:19:20,718
artist let's put it like this let's say

8917
05:19:26,230 --> 05:19:22,160
you're an artist do you consider

8918
05:19:27,510 --> 05:19:26,240
yourself a creator or a destroyer

8919
05:19:28,470 --> 05:19:27,520
for some reason you call yourself a

8920
05:19:32,070 --> 05:19:28,480
creator

8921
05:19:33,830 --> 05:19:32,080
youtube destroyer

8922
05:19:35,350 --> 05:19:33,840
right even though you might destroy some

8923
05:19:37,110 --> 05:19:35,360
of your old youtube videos you don't

8924
05:19:38,628 --> 05:19:37,120
like but you don't think of yourself

8925
05:19:40,788 --> 05:19:38,638
that that's not sort of your purpose

8926
05:19:42,708 --> 05:19:40,798
that's not like why you're

8927
05:19:44,788 --> 05:19:42,718
the destruction is is serving the

8928
05:19:47,830 --> 05:19:44,798
creation you're not making destruction

8929
05:19:53,030 --> 05:19:50,708
so in that same way death serves life

8930
05:19:55,350 --> 05:19:53,040
but life doesn't serve death death's

8931
05:19:57,670 --> 05:19:55,360
point is to serve life

8932
05:20:00,788 --> 05:19:57,680
but life's point isn't to serve death is

8933
05:20:04,230 --> 05:20:02,628
yeah you could put it that way i mean

8934
05:20:05,910 --> 05:20:04,240
there's no absolute correct statement as

8935
05:20:08,628 --> 05:20:05,920
far as things like this go it's like it

8936
05:20:10,628 --> 05:20:08,638
depends on how you want to frame it

8937
05:20:12,150 --> 05:20:10,638
it's relativistic

8938
05:20:13,910 --> 05:20:12,160
you have a video which i didn't take a

8939
05:20:15,830 --> 05:20:13,920
look at about good intentions and why

8940
05:20:17,990 --> 05:20:15,840
everyone acts with good intentions now i

8941
05:20:20,230 --> 05:20:18,000
don't believe that and i haven't watched

8942
05:20:22,390 --> 05:20:20,240
your video so i don't know the exact

8943
05:20:24,310 --> 05:20:22,400
line of argumentation i imagine it goes

8944
05:20:27,510 --> 05:20:24,320
like this everyone has a world view

8945
05:20:29,670 --> 05:20:27,520
everyone has a model everyone is aiming

8946
05:20:31,910 --> 05:20:29,680
with respect to that model so even if

8947
05:20:33,910 --> 05:20:31,920
they're killing someone they believe in

8948
05:20:35,670 --> 05:20:33,920
that moment killing is the best thing to

8949
05:20:37,830 --> 05:20:35,680
do and because they're aiming at what's

8950
05:20:38,948 --> 05:20:37,840
best they have good intentions is that

8951
05:20:40,948 --> 05:20:38,958
something

8952
05:20:42,390 --> 05:20:40,958
along the lines of you yeah but it's

8953
05:20:43,990 --> 05:20:42,400
more it's more it's more radical than

8954
05:20:45,590 --> 05:20:44,000
that what i'm saying is that literally

8955
05:20:48,070 --> 05:20:45,600
everything every action that happens in

8956
05:20:49,990 --> 05:20:48,080
the universe is good it's not just from

8957
05:20:52,310 --> 05:20:50,000
good intention but it actually literally

8958
05:20:54,390 --> 05:20:52,320
is good so even when a terrorist blows

8959
05:20:56,150 --> 05:20:54,400
up civilians

8960
05:20:58,470 --> 05:20:56,160
um which like happened today in

8961
05:21:00,548 --> 05:20:58,480
afghanistan in the latest news there was

8962
05:21:02,868 --> 05:21:00,558
a suicide bombing in the airport in

8963
05:21:04,070 --> 05:21:02,878
afghanistan so see first of all what

8964
05:21:06,628 --> 05:21:04,080
needs to be understood is that that

8965
05:21:08,310 --> 05:21:06,638
person who did that explosion thought he

8966
05:21:09,910 --> 05:21:08,320
was doing good

8967
05:21:11,430 --> 05:21:09,920
in his own mind

8968
05:21:13,430 --> 05:21:11,440
but never mind that you could say well

8969
05:21:15,030 --> 05:21:13,440
he was just deluded he you know he he

8970
05:21:16,708 --> 05:21:15,040
was indoctrinated in some sort of

8971
05:21:18,708 --> 05:21:16,718
terrorist cult and therefore they

8972
05:21:19,990 --> 05:21:18,718
brainwashed him okay fine

8973
05:21:21,990 --> 05:21:20,000
but that's not what i'm saying what i'm

8974
05:21:25,190 --> 05:21:22,000
saying is that he was literally doing

8975
05:21:28,230 --> 05:21:26,470
the only thing that happens in the

8976
05:21:30,788 --> 05:21:28,240
universe is good

8977
05:21:33,510 --> 05:21:30,798
but the good is always filtered through

8978
05:21:34,868 --> 05:21:33,520
some sort of finite form or ego mind

8979
05:21:35,910 --> 05:21:34,878
when we're talking about humans for

8980
05:21:38,628 --> 05:21:35,920
example

8981
05:21:44,470 --> 05:21:38,638
so when a human behaves the human is

8982
05:21:47,990 --> 05:21:46,628
as what is good from his state of

8983
05:21:49,590 --> 05:21:48,000
consciousness so it really depends on

8984
05:21:51,110 --> 05:21:49,600
what your state of conscience is the

8985
05:21:54,788 --> 05:21:51,120
lower your state of consciousness the

8986
05:21:56,070 --> 05:21:54,798
more twisted your idea of good is

8987
05:21:58,230 --> 05:21:56,080
the higher state of consciousness the

8988
05:22:01,510 --> 05:21:58,240
more pure and less corrupted more

8989
05:22:04,150 --> 05:22:01,520
selfless your idea of good is

8990
05:22:05,270 --> 05:22:04,160
so for example like hitler

8991
05:22:06,788 --> 05:22:05,280
hitler

8992
05:22:08,230 --> 05:22:06,798
did the holocaust

8993
05:22:10,548 --> 05:22:08,240
and most people would say well that's

8994
05:22:11,430 --> 05:22:10,558
bad obviously

8995
05:22:13,030 --> 05:22:11,440
um

8996
05:22:14,470 --> 05:22:13,040
well that's bad from

8997
05:22:16,470 --> 05:22:14,480
one point of view

8998
05:22:17,910 --> 05:22:16,480
but from god's point of view it wasn't

8999
05:22:19,350 --> 05:22:17,920
bad

9000
05:22:20,310 --> 05:22:19,360
because

9001
05:22:21,430 --> 05:22:20,320
um

9002
05:22:24,230 --> 05:22:21,440
if you actually take a look at what

9003
05:22:26,150 --> 05:22:24,240
hitler was doing what he was doing is

9004
05:22:28,948 --> 05:22:26,160
from his point of view from his

9005
05:22:31,910 --> 05:22:28,958
perspective he was doing what he thought

9006
05:22:34,070 --> 05:22:31,920
was the greatest good for his people and

9007
05:22:38,150 --> 05:22:34,080
given his identity when you're

9008
05:22:41,110 --> 05:22:38,160
identified as being an aryan german

9009
05:22:43,430 --> 05:22:41,120
not a jew then from that point of view

9010
05:22:45,990 --> 05:22:43,440
you start to see jews as something

9011
05:22:47,510 --> 05:22:46,000
sub-human and

9012
05:22:48,948 --> 05:22:47,520
something that needs to be purged from

9013
05:22:52,230 --> 05:22:48,958
reality

9014
05:22:55,990 --> 05:22:52,240
and so it's good from that point of view

9015
05:22:57,430 --> 05:22:56,000
to destroy that which you consider

9016
05:23:01,670 --> 05:22:57,440
bad

9017
05:23:03,830 --> 05:23:01,680
from his point of view which is good

9018
05:23:06,708 --> 05:23:03,840
from his point of view so he was acting

9019
05:23:08,948 --> 05:23:06,718
from the intention to destroy evil which

9020
05:23:10,708 --> 05:23:08,958
of course because he was corrupted his

9021
05:23:12,708 --> 05:23:10,718
mind was corrupted and very finite

9022
05:23:14,150 --> 05:23:12,718
turned out to itself actually be a

9023
05:23:16,310 --> 05:23:14,160
source of evil

9024
05:23:18,788 --> 05:23:16,320
and that's how all evil is created most

9025
05:23:22,628 --> 05:23:18,798
of the evil in the world is created by

9026
05:23:29,030 --> 05:23:22,638
attempts of limited ego minds to destroy

9027
05:23:33,350 --> 05:23:31,350
i would say that that's a naive point of

9028
05:23:35,590 --> 05:23:33,360
view but i'm saying that and i'm not as

9029
05:23:37,990 --> 05:23:35,600
wise as you so that means that you can

9030
05:23:40,070 --> 05:23:38,000
correct me so let me no it means

9031
05:23:41,990 --> 05:23:40,080
let me give you my justification yeah

9032
05:23:44,310 --> 05:23:42,000
sure

9033
05:23:46,070 --> 05:23:44,320
i see

9034
05:23:48,628 --> 05:23:46,080
i don't think that everyone is aimed at

9035
05:23:50,150 --> 05:23:48,638
what's good i don't think that

9036
05:23:51,830 --> 05:23:50,160
people do

9037
05:23:53,430 --> 05:23:51,840
only what's aiming at what they think is

9038
05:23:56,070 --> 05:23:53,440
love only aiming at what they think is

9039
05:23:59,270 --> 05:23:56,080
good i think they do what they do often

9040
05:24:01,030 --> 05:23:59,280
to spite love and even though they have

9041
05:24:02,948 --> 05:24:01,040
enough strength to do otherwise they

9042
05:24:04,708 --> 05:24:02,958
knowingly go against it i see this in

9043
05:24:05,750 --> 05:24:04,718
myself at times

9044
05:24:07,830 --> 05:24:05,760
and

9045
05:24:09,750 --> 05:24:07,840
there's even quotes many quotes from

9046
05:24:12,470 --> 05:24:09,760
dostoyevsky about this there's a great

9047
05:24:14,150 --> 05:24:12,480
one from moby dick from hell's

9048
05:24:16,310 --> 05:24:14,160
heart i stab at the

9049
05:24:18,390 --> 05:24:16,320
for hate's sake i spit my last breath at

9050
05:24:20,830 --> 05:24:18,400
thee

9051
05:24:23,110 --> 05:24:20,840
yeah well hate is just a twisted form of

9052
05:24:24,628 --> 05:24:23,120
love the reason you hate something ask

9053
05:24:27,830 --> 05:24:24,638
yourself this why do you hate anything

9054
05:24:30,788 --> 05:24:29,190
what's the point

9055
05:24:34,548 --> 05:24:30,798
because there's an evil part of you

9056
05:24:37,750 --> 05:24:35,750
there's something deeper you need to

9057
05:24:39,590 --> 05:24:37,760
realize the reason the only reason you

9058
05:24:45,430 --> 05:24:39,600
hate anything is because you love

9059
05:24:49,430 --> 05:24:47,110
yeah so like for example

9060
05:24:52,150 --> 05:24:49,440
for example the reason why did this i

9061
05:24:53,990 --> 05:24:52,160
mean this is we can actually like

9062
05:24:56,788 --> 05:24:54,000
empirically sort of look at this why did

9063
05:24:58,708 --> 05:24:56,798
hitler hate the jews

9064
05:25:00,230 --> 05:24:58,718
because he loved the german people so

9065
05:25:03,430 --> 05:25:00,240
much

9066
05:25:05,510 --> 05:25:03,440
his idea and love for germany

9067
05:25:07,990 --> 05:25:05,520
the purity of germany

9068
05:25:10,310 --> 05:25:08,000
he was so in love with being german and

9069
05:25:12,868 --> 05:25:10,320
that whole identity

9070
05:25:16,628 --> 05:25:12,878
that therefore he hated

9071
05:25:21,750 --> 05:25:19,350
because he saw them as an impurity onto

9072
05:25:23,270 --> 05:25:21,760
the goodness he was trying to protect

9073
05:25:24,708 --> 05:25:23,280
but his notion of goodness was very

9074
05:25:26,868 --> 05:25:24,718
finite

9075
05:25:31,510 --> 05:25:26,878
it sounds to me like what you're saying

9076
05:25:33,270 --> 05:25:31,520
boils down to you're aimed at something

9077
05:25:34,548 --> 05:25:33,280
and that's it

9078
05:25:35,830 --> 05:25:34,558
like look what you're saying if you're

9079
05:25:36,628 --> 05:25:35,840
saying

9080
05:25:38,548 --> 05:25:36,638
he

9081
05:25:40,548 --> 05:25:38,558
you don't like you hate something

9082
05:25:41,910 --> 05:25:40,558
because you love something else that's

9083
05:25:43,430 --> 05:25:41,920
essentially saying you're aimed at

9084
05:25:46,070 --> 05:25:43,440
something else

9085
05:25:47,990 --> 05:25:46,080
so at least you're aimed at something

9086
05:25:49,350 --> 05:25:48,000
well well the hatred is helping you to

9087
05:25:51,190 --> 05:25:49,360
get the love

9088
05:25:52,868 --> 05:25:51,200
you see the only reason you hate is

9089
05:25:54,868 --> 05:25:52,878
because you weren't given enough love if

9090
05:25:56,310 --> 05:25:54,878
you were given more love

9091
05:25:57,830 --> 05:25:56,320
the people who are the most hateful

9092
05:25:59,830 --> 05:25:57,840
people in the world that you can

9093
05:26:02,070 --> 05:25:59,840
demonstrate this

9094
05:26:03,750 --> 05:26:02,080
just within psychology you know clinical

9095
05:26:06,150 --> 05:26:03,760
psychology the people who are the most

9096
05:26:08,070 --> 05:26:06,160
hateful

9097
05:26:10,868 --> 05:26:08,080
are the people who receive the least

9098
05:26:12,548 --> 05:26:10,878
love or some sort of twisted form of

9099
05:26:14,150 --> 05:26:12,558
love from their parents

9100
05:26:15,670 --> 05:26:14,160
if your mother didn't love you and your

9101
05:26:16,948 --> 05:26:15,680
father beated you

9102
05:26:19,430 --> 05:26:16,958
then you're going to grow up to be a

9103
05:26:22,070 --> 05:26:19,440
hateful person and all of that is just a

9104
05:26:23,990 --> 05:26:22,080
coping mechanism to get the love that

9105
05:26:25,510 --> 05:26:24,000
you were denied see if you're denied

9106
05:26:27,270 --> 05:26:25,520
love you're going to want to deny love

9107
05:26:29,510 --> 05:26:27,280
to others because you have nothing else

9108
05:26:31,110 --> 05:26:29,520
to live for the only joy you will get in

9109
05:26:33,030 --> 05:26:31,120
life is to deny love to others because

9110
05:26:34,868 --> 05:26:33,040
it was denied to you

9111
05:26:36,628 --> 05:26:34,878
so if i take that back

9112
05:26:38,788 --> 05:26:36,638
then at some point god denied himself

9113
05:26:40,150 --> 05:26:38,798
love

9114
05:26:42,310 --> 05:26:40,160
because why is that

9115
05:26:43,750 --> 05:26:42,320
if if i'm saying if i'm evil because my

9116
05:26:45,670 --> 05:26:43,760
parents deny me love then why did they

9117
05:26:46,868 --> 05:26:45,680
deny me love because they were denied

9118
05:26:47,670 --> 05:26:46,878
love and you just keep going back and

9119
05:26:49,670 --> 05:26:47,680
back

9120
05:26:51,590 --> 05:26:49,680
what was denied love initially

9121
05:26:53,910 --> 05:26:51,600
while there was only god initially which

9122
05:26:55,270 --> 05:26:53,920
it itself is synonymized with god i mean

9123
05:26:57,670 --> 05:26:55,280
sorry with love

9124
05:26:58,628 --> 05:26:57,680
right so so we could say originally

9125
05:27:00,070 --> 05:26:58,638
there was

9126
05:27:03,430 --> 05:27:00,080
infinite love

9127
05:27:08,070 --> 05:27:06,470
share itself with others it had to it

9128
05:27:10,470 --> 05:27:08,080
had to divide itself

9129
05:27:12,310 --> 05:27:10,480
and so that division of infinite love is

9130
05:27:14,390 --> 05:27:12,320
you might say the original

9131
05:27:17,750 --> 05:27:14,400
form of evil

9132
05:27:20,470 --> 05:27:17,760
because when something infinite has to

9133
05:27:22,390 --> 05:27:20,480
take on finite form it automatically

9134
05:27:23,510 --> 05:27:22,400
becomes less than

9135
05:27:25,110 --> 05:27:23,520
everything

9136
05:27:27,190 --> 05:27:25,120
and so as soon as god started to

9137
05:27:29,670 --> 05:27:27,200
partition itself

9138
05:27:31,030 --> 05:27:29,680
that is what led to what we would call

9139
05:27:35,670 --> 05:27:31,040
evil

9140
05:27:37,910 --> 05:27:35,680
if if you think of it that way you can i

9141
05:27:39,430 --> 05:27:37,920
mean it depends on how you define what

9142
05:27:43,430 --> 05:27:39,440
evil is

9143
05:27:44,708 --> 05:27:43,440
partition or division then yeah you

9144
05:27:46,708 --> 05:27:44,718
could say that

9145
05:27:48,708 --> 05:27:46,718
but that becomes very different from

9146
05:27:50,470 --> 05:27:48,718
what we normally mean by evil

9147
05:27:51,990 --> 05:27:50,480
because people attach moral judgment to

9148
05:27:53,750 --> 05:27:52,000
evil

9149
05:27:55,190 --> 05:27:53,760
right so in this case you have to remove

9150
05:27:57,830 --> 05:27:55,200
all moral judgment

9151
05:27:59,350 --> 05:27:57,840
well i imagine so the reason you're

9152
05:28:00,470 --> 05:27:59,360
removing the moral judgment is also

9153
05:28:02,948 --> 05:28:00,480
because

9154
05:28:04,548 --> 05:28:02,958
there's no free will in this

9155
05:28:04,948 --> 05:28:04,558
model it's just cause and effect there

9156
05:28:06,548 --> 05:28:04,958
was a bit of yeah that got passed down

9157
05:28:08,470 --> 05:28:06,558
yeah

9158
05:28:09,830 --> 05:28:08,480
so then in that same way when someone

9159
05:28:11,590 --> 05:28:09,840
says hey they're just doing the best

9160
05:28:13,030 --> 05:28:11,600
that they could then because there's no

9161
05:28:20,708 --> 05:28:13,040
free will you can also say they're doing

9162
05:28:26,070 --> 05:28:23,190
you can only do one thing

9163
05:28:29,270 --> 05:28:26,080
so it's like a set just one point

9164
05:28:30,948 --> 05:28:29,280
so that one point is its greatest point

9165
05:28:33,190 --> 05:28:30,958
so the grid

9166
05:28:34,868 --> 05:28:33,200
but it's okay

9167
05:28:36,390 --> 05:28:34,878
i understand what you're saying

9168
05:28:38,788 --> 05:28:36,400
you could say that but the problem is

9169
05:28:40,310 --> 05:28:38,798
that there's no such thing as worst

9170
05:28:41,910 --> 05:28:40,320
and there's no such thing as bad and

9171
05:28:43,510 --> 05:28:41,920
there's no such thing as evil at all

9172
05:28:45,270 --> 05:28:43,520
because the only thing that exists is

9173
05:28:46,708 --> 05:28:45,280
absolute perfection so everything is

9174
05:28:48,390 --> 05:28:46,718
absolute perfection including all the

9175
05:28:49,590 --> 05:28:48,400
divisions so you're still suddenly

9176
05:28:51,750 --> 05:28:49,600
judging the divisions as something

9177
05:28:53,910 --> 05:28:51,760
that's bad that shouldn't have happened

9178
05:28:55,670 --> 05:28:53,920
but the way that infinity or love works

9179
05:28:58,150 --> 05:28:55,680
is that infinity must include all

9180
05:29:00,310 --> 05:28:58,160
possible finitudes so

9181
05:29:03,670 --> 05:29:00,320
the lack of the total unity must include

9182
05:29:06,150 --> 05:29:03,680
all possible divisions within itself so

9183
05:29:08,150 --> 05:29:06,160
so the way that god resolves the evil

9184
05:29:12,070 --> 05:29:08,160
problem is that god just simply absorbs

9185
05:29:15,990 --> 05:29:14,470
until nothing until no evil remains let

9186
05:29:17,350 --> 05:29:16,000
me explain it a bit differently let's

9187
05:29:19,750 --> 05:29:17,360
imagine you have a spectrum and then

9188
05:29:21,510 --> 05:29:19,760
plus one is like good and then zero or

9189
05:29:22,470 --> 05:29:21,520
sorry minus one is like

9190
05:29:24,310 --> 05:29:22,480
evil

9191
05:29:26,070 --> 05:29:24,320
so plus one is good minus one is equal

9192
05:29:27,590 --> 05:29:26,080
the closer you are to plus one the more

9193
05:29:29,430 --> 05:29:27,600
good you are

9194
05:29:31,190 --> 05:29:29,440
okay so the closer you are to minus one

9195
05:29:33,430 --> 05:29:31,200
the less good you the less good you are

9196
05:29:36,070 --> 05:29:33,440
the more evil you are okay right and and

9197
05:29:37,750 --> 05:29:36,080
then what happens if we keep compressing

9198
05:29:39,670 --> 05:29:37,760
this because there is no free will you

9199
05:29:41,830 --> 05:29:39,680
can't choose between these so you get

9200
05:29:44,230 --> 05:29:41,840
down to just zero which means that

9201
05:29:45,670 --> 05:29:44,240
you're simultaneously doing your best

9202
05:29:46,708 --> 05:29:45,680
and you're simultaneously doing your

9203
05:29:48,788 --> 05:29:46,718
worst

9204
05:29:50,230 --> 05:29:48,798
yeah and that's called absolute love

9205
05:29:52,070 --> 05:29:50,240
absolute good that's what absolute

9206
05:29:53,270 --> 05:29:52,080
perfection and goodness is and actually

9207
05:29:55,270 --> 05:29:53,280
you don't need to compress them you can

9208
05:29:56,230 --> 05:29:55,280
take this and turn it into a loop right

9209
05:29:57,430 --> 05:29:56,240
it's going to loop around and they're

9210
05:29:59,670 --> 05:29:57,440
going to touch and you're gonna have a

9211
05:30:03,030 --> 05:29:59,680
perfect loop of infinite love and unity

9212
05:30:05,190 --> 05:30:03,040
and oneness and absolute good

9213
05:30:09,030 --> 05:30:05,200
so absolute good includes hitler

9214
05:30:10,868 --> 05:30:09,040
yeah okay see okay let me let me let me

9215
05:30:13,990 --> 05:30:10,878
let me play around it's it's extremely

9216
05:30:15,190 --> 05:30:14,000
radical it's it it's also tautological

9217
05:30:17,110 --> 05:30:15,200
so there's no way there's nothing you

9218
05:30:19,190 --> 05:30:17,120
can say that will break it

9219
05:30:21,830 --> 05:30:19,200
but you can try it feel feel free i'm

9220
05:30:23,830 --> 05:30:21,840
not gonna break it off have fun with it

9221
05:30:25,590 --> 05:30:23,840
right the video is titled something like

9222
05:30:28,230 --> 05:30:25,600
why everyone has good intentions i don't

9223
05:30:31,030 --> 05:30:28,240
know the exact video but then when i

9224
05:30:32,868 --> 05:30:31,040
said you're also passing down evil in

9225
05:30:34,788 --> 05:30:32,878
about two or three minutes ago when we

9226
05:30:37,510 --> 05:30:34,798
spoke we're speaking about it you said

9227
05:30:38,948 --> 05:30:37,520
well i mean evil has some connotations

9228
05:30:41,110 --> 05:30:38,958
so i don't know if i would attach that

9229
05:30:43,190 --> 05:30:41,120
word to it because this isn't precise

9230
05:30:45,270 --> 05:30:43,200
well i could say the same about good and

9231
05:30:48,070 --> 05:30:45,280
how you just described good it has

9232
05:30:49,830 --> 05:30:48,080
connotations so should you use the word

9233
05:30:51,830 --> 05:30:49,840
good intentions if you're not willing to

9234
05:30:54,548 --> 05:30:51,840
use the word worst intentions or bad

9235
05:30:55,990 --> 05:30:54,558
intentions or evil intentions why are

9236
05:30:59,190 --> 05:30:56,000
you willing to use the word good

9237
05:31:01,110 --> 05:30:59,200
intentions when good in your model

9238
05:31:03,190 --> 05:31:01,120
doesn't bear or bears a little

9239
05:31:04,708 --> 05:31:03,200
resemblance to what people ordinarily

9240
05:31:06,548 --> 05:31:04,718
think of as good

9241
05:31:08,628 --> 05:31:06,558
because when you fully awaken you will

9242
05:31:09,430 --> 05:31:08,638
realize that everyone acts from absolute

9243
05:31:10,470 --> 05:31:09,440
good

9244
05:31:11,350 --> 05:31:10,480
so that's just something that will

9245
05:31:12,948 --> 05:31:11,360
happen

9246
05:31:14,150 --> 05:31:12,958
within your consciousness

9247
05:31:16,230 --> 05:31:14,160
and then you'll understand that of

9248
05:31:18,628 --> 05:31:16,240
course everybody acts from good and evil

9249
05:31:19,990 --> 05:31:18,638
has never existed it was never possible

9250
05:31:21,670 --> 05:31:20,000
so that's just something you'll realize

9251
05:31:23,270 --> 05:31:21,680
when you fully awaken

9252
05:31:24,788 --> 05:31:23,280
and and you'll just call everything good

9253
05:31:26,310 --> 05:31:24,798
so imagine literally walking down the

9254
05:31:28,948 --> 05:31:26,320
street and everything you said you see

9255
05:31:30,230 --> 05:31:28,958
you're just like good good good good

9256
05:31:32,070 --> 05:31:30,240
good and then you ask yourself where's

9257
05:31:34,150 --> 05:31:32,080
the bad and then you realize there isn't

9258
05:31:38,470 --> 05:31:34,160
any and then you're just happy and

9259
05:31:43,270 --> 05:31:41,510
i i i i i i i mean it this is this is

9260
05:31:45,030 --> 05:31:43,280
the nature of talking about absolutes is

9261
05:31:47,030 --> 05:31:45,040
that

9262
05:31:48,948 --> 05:31:47,040
we want to have a kind of a logic to

9263
05:31:50,390 --> 05:31:48,958
explain the absolute but actually you

9264
05:31:52,070 --> 05:31:50,400
can't have a logic to get to the

9265
05:31:54,070 --> 05:31:52,080
absolute you first need to get to the

9266
05:31:56,788 --> 05:31:54,080
absolute and then you can do logic on it

9267
05:31:58,150 --> 05:31:56,798
logic comes afterwards

9268
05:32:00,390 --> 05:31:58,160
you can't actually reach it through a

9269
05:32:02,868 --> 05:32:00,400
logical process

9270
05:32:08,628 --> 05:32:02,878
because logic is finite so it can't be

9271
05:32:14,230 --> 05:32:11,270
i have so you know with you i have i got

9272
05:32:15,830 --> 05:32:14,240
i gotta i gotta pee first okay okay

9273
05:32:20,150 --> 05:32:15,840
we'll go to the washroom and then we'll

9274
05:32:24,470 --> 05:32:22,150
in approximately one or two weeks i'll

9275
05:32:27,030 --> 05:32:24,480
post a part two with leo gura this time

9276
05:32:28,788 --> 05:32:27,040
focused on him rather than his ideas it

9277
05:32:30,548 --> 05:32:28,798
will primarily consist of audience

9278
05:32:32,708 --> 05:32:30,558
questions so if you have any questions

9279
05:32:34,390 --> 05:32:32,718
for leo leave them down below for now

9280
05:32:36,070 --> 05:32:34,400
i'm appending a snippet of matthew

9281
05:32:38,628 --> 05:32:36,080
phillips the creator of the app

9282
05:32:40,948 --> 05:32:38,638
transcend as hearing the story about why

9283
05:32:43,990 --> 05:32:40,958
he created it and how it's used is far

9284
05:32:45,910 --> 05:32:44,000
more powerful than reading any message

9285
05:32:47,430 --> 05:32:45,920
i'm here with matthew phillips matthew

9286
05:32:48,230 --> 05:32:47,440
phillips reached out to me a few weeks

9287
05:32:50,868 --> 05:32:48,240
ago

9288
05:32:53,510 --> 05:32:50,878
telling me that he has this app and when

9289
05:32:55,990 --> 05:32:53,520
i say app it's almost an understatement

9290
05:32:58,628 --> 05:32:56,000
he has a project that he wants to run by

9291
05:32:59,510 --> 05:32:58,638
me and also run by the viewers of this

9292
05:33:00,548 --> 05:32:59,520
channel

9293
05:33:01,830 --> 05:33:00,558
it's about

9294
05:33:03,910 --> 05:33:01,840
well i'll let

9295
05:33:06,310 --> 05:33:03,920
matthew speak about it mainly why i

9296
05:33:07,990 --> 05:33:06,320
decided to speak to matthew on air and

9297
05:33:10,070 --> 05:33:08,000
have you all listened is because i found

9298
05:33:12,070 --> 05:33:10,080
the story to be

9299
05:33:14,150 --> 05:33:12,080
inspirational so inspirational i had to

9300
05:33:16,548 --> 05:33:14,160
stop him he said save this this is great

9301
05:33:17,990 --> 05:33:16,558
we're going to speak on camera because

9302
05:33:19,510 --> 05:33:18,000
most of the time for ads you'll just

9303
05:33:21,350 --> 05:33:19,520
hear someone read an ad and then you

9304
05:33:24,708 --> 05:33:21,360
have no connection to

9305
05:33:27,670 --> 05:33:24,718
who created it and why they created it

9306
05:33:29,670 --> 05:33:27,680
so who are you and why did you create it

9307
05:33:31,270 --> 05:33:29,680
well uh well who am i that's a deep

9308
05:33:32,548 --> 05:33:31,280
question but thank you kurt i'm excited

9309
05:33:34,310 --> 05:33:32,558
to be here and i

9310
05:33:35,350 --> 05:33:34,320
please the audience excuse me i am so

9311
05:33:36,390 --> 05:33:35,360
nervous

9312
05:33:37,510 --> 05:33:36,400
but

9313
05:33:39,190 --> 05:33:37,520
you know

9314
05:33:40,628 --> 05:33:39,200
my life about five years ago was was

9315
05:33:42,628 --> 05:33:40,638
going swimmingly

9316
05:33:44,390 --> 05:33:42,638
i was an enterprise technologist leading

9317
05:33:46,390 --> 05:33:44,400
a really large scale

9318
05:33:47,830 --> 05:33:46,400
organization uh on the emerging

9319
05:33:50,150 --> 05:33:47,840
technology side so all things that are

9320
05:33:53,030 --> 05:33:50,160
kind of cool in future and emerging but

9321
05:33:54,470 --> 05:33:53,040
more on the enterprise side

9322
05:33:57,670 --> 05:33:54,480
but in my personal life i've always

9323
05:33:59,190 --> 05:33:57,680
struggled with um

9324
05:34:01,590 --> 05:33:59,200
something that's always had me down and

9325
05:34:03,590 --> 05:34:01,600
that's that along the way i've lost

9326
05:34:05,590 --> 05:34:03,600
really everyone that i've ever loved you

9327
05:34:07,430 --> 05:34:05,600
know my mentors my family the people

9328
05:34:08,628 --> 05:34:07,440
that raised me the people that really

9329
05:34:10,708 --> 05:34:08,638
define me

9330
05:34:12,708 --> 05:34:10,718
and as a father now

9331
05:34:14,230 --> 05:34:12,718
i've constantly thought about what's the

9332
05:34:16,470 --> 05:34:14,240
impact of that and how could i kind of

9333
05:34:18,470 --> 05:34:16,480
change that in the future

9334
05:34:19,830 --> 05:34:18,480
but it was really about three years ago

9335
05:34:22,230 --> 05:34:19,840
where an incident happened and this is

9336
05:34:24,150 --> 05:34:22,240
what i shared with you

9337
05:34:25,430 --> 05:34:24,160
where i was at home one day and i had an

9338
05:34:27,110 --> 05:34:25,440
incident where i didn't think i was

9339
05:34:28,548 --> 05:34:27,120
going to make it

9340
05:34:30,708 --> 05:34:28,558
and that was one of the scariest

9341
05:34:33,190 --> 05:34:30,718
incidents of of my life but not so much

9342
05:34:35,110 --> 05:34:33,200
because i feared death it was more

9343
05:34:38,070 --> 05:34:35,120
because in that moment i had this great

9344
05:34:40,628 --> 05:34:38,080
deep realization that i had utterly

9345
05:34:42,548 --> 05:34:40,638
failed in my singular life purpose

9346
05:34:44,628 --> 05:34:42,558
that upstairs in my home i had two

9347
05:34:46,310 --> 05:34:44,638
children you know my son is now six my

9348
05:34:48,310 --> 05:34:46,320
daughter's now four

9349
05:34:50,548 --> 05:34:48,320
um that if i didn't make it through the

9350
05:34:52,788 --> 05:34:50,558
day i felt like i was abandoning them

9351
05:34:54,708 --> 05:34:52,798
for the rest of their life that sure i

9352
05:34:56,470 --> 05:34:54,718
may be living in a good house and have

9353
05:34:58,788 --> 05:34:56,480
college paid for

9354
05:35:00,868 --> 05:34:58,798
but that's not really what life is about

9355
05:35:03,110 --> 05:35:00,878
and in that realization i

9356
05:35:05,590 --> 05:35:03,120
i felt like an utter failure

9357
05:35:07,270 --> 05:35:05,600
that i hadn't taken the time to foster

9358
05:35:09,030 --> 05:35:07,280
the one thing that i thought meant more

9359
05:35:10,948 --> 05:35:09,040
than anything in that moment and that

9360
05:35:12,470 --> 05:35:10,958
was my legacy

9361
05:35:14,070 --> 05:35:12,480
and it kind of begs the question what

9362
05:35:15,030 --> 05:35:14,080
what is legacy

9363
05:35:17,270 --> 05:35:15,040
um

9364
05:35:19,670 --> 05:35:17,280
lucky luckily ended up pulling through

9365
05:35:21,030 --> 05:35:19,680
and everything's good um

9366
05:35:23,350 --> 05:35:21,040
but i never lost sight of that

9367
05:35:24,628 --> 05:35:23,360
experience and it deeply touched me in a

9368
05:35:26,708 --> 05:35:24,638
way to where

9369
05:35:28,788 --> 05:35:26,718
you know going to do the standard nine

9370
05:35:30,230 --> 05:35:28,798
to five just didn't cut it anymore i

9371
05:35:32,628 --> 05:35:30,240
knew that this was a problem that i had

9372
05:35:34,708 --> 05:35:32,638
to solve for people if something like

9373
05:35:36,310 --> 05:35:34,718
what i'm creating it had existed when i

9374
05:35:38,150 --> 05:35:36,320
was growing up maybe i would still have

9375
05:35:39,830 --> 05:35:38,160
access to these people that you know

9376
05:35:41,430 --> 05:35:39,840
hung the moon for me

9377
05:35:42,868 --> 05:35:41,440
so i thought of a way

9378
05:35:45,750 --> 05:35:42,878
you know how could i be there for my

9379
05:35:47,590 --> 05:35:45,760
children forever is there a way that we

9380
05:35:48,708 --> 05:35:47,600
could create to capture kind of all that

9381
05:35:50,788 --> 05:35:48,718
we are

9382
05:35:52,230 --> 05:35:50,798
all that we wish to share and all the

9383
05:35:53,750 --> 05:35:52,240
important things that we wish to pass

9384
05:35:54,708 --> 05:35:53,760
along to the people that mean the most

9385
05:35:57,270 --> 05:35:54,718
to us

9386
05:35:59,030 --> 05:35:57,280
in a way that could transcend time and

9387
05:36:00,788 --> 05:35:59,040
space right and that was really the

9388
05:36:02,470 --> 05:36:00,798
genesis of the uh

9389
05:36:03,830 --> 05:36:02,480
of the company i started

9390
05:36:06,390 --> 05:36:03,840
how often do you think about that

9391
05:36:07,590 --> 05:36:06,400
experience that near-death experience

9392
05:36:08,708 --> 05:36:07,600
whether or not it's technically a

9393
05:36:10,948 --> 05:36:08,718
near-death experience you know what i

9394
05:36:13,510 --> 05:36:10,958
mean sure yeah it was life-changing i

9395
05:36:15,030 --> 05:36:13,520
think about it every day you know uh

9396
05:36:16,548 --> 05:36:15,040
listen the happiest moments are when i

9397
05:36:17,910 --> 05:36:16,558
wake up and i hug my kids good morning

9398
05:36:19,510 --> 05:36:17,920
when i pick them up from school when i

9399
05:36:20,788 --> 05:36:19,520
tuck them in at nighttime they define my

9400
05:36:21,750 --> 05:36:20,798
purpose if i

9401
05:36:23,110 --> 05:36:21,760
you know

9402
05:36:24,470 --> 05:36:23,120
i would have told you that i was waiting

9403
05:36:26,150 --> 05:36:24,480
my whole life to figure out what my

9404
05:36:27,990 --> 05:36:26,160
purpose was but in that moment i figured

9405
05:36:29,830 --> 05:36:28,000
it out i knew it and it was the the best

9406
05:36:32,548 --> 05:36:29,840
moment of my life you know scariest but

9407
05:36:34,070 --> 05:36:32,558
the best because i understood that you

9408
05:36:35,430 --> 05:36:34,080
know maybe this life experience

9409
05:36:37,910 --> 05:36:35,440
everything that i've learned everything

9410
05:36:39,510 --> 05:36:37,920
that i've been through um you know we go

9411
05:36:41,270 --> 05:36:39,520
through life and we have things happen

9412
05:36:42,948 --> 05:36:41,280
and we experience life or we gain

9413
05:36:45,110 --> 05:36:42,958
knowledge it's like you add

9414
05:36:47,430 --> 05:36:45,120
time and perspective in that equation

9415
05:36:48,230 --> 05:36:47,440
and hopefully it shakes out his wisdom

9416
05:36:49,350 --> 05:36:48,240
right

9417
05:36:51,430 --> 05:36:49,360
and it's like what do you do with that

9418
05:36:53,110 --> 05:36:51,440
wisdom you kind of shape your value

9419
05:36:54,788 --> 05:36:53,120
systems how do i go throughout this

9420
05:36:57,110 --> 05:36:54,798
world and interact with people and

9421
05:36:58,788 --> 05:36:57,120
others you know how do i love how do i

9422
05:37:00,948 --> 05:36:58,798
change it for the better

9423
05:37:04,310 --> 05:37:00,958
and um

9424
05:37:10,150 --> 05:37:05,030
it

9425
05:37:11,750 --> 05:37:10,160
those things and pass them along to

9426
05:37:13,670 --> 05:37:11,760
stand on the shoulders of how far i've

9427
05:37:15,510 --> 05:37:13,680
carried the torch right take it even

9428
05:37:16,310 --> 05:37:15,520
better i looked at my one sole purpose

9429
05:37:20,150 --> 05:37:16,320
as

9430
05:37:21,190 --> 05:37:20,160
you know to create two happy um more

9431
05:37:23,510 --> 05:37:21,200
conscious

9432
05:37:24,390 --> 05:37:23,520
uh better human beings than i am

9433
05:37:26,070 --> 05:37:24,400
and

9434
05:37:27,510 --> 05:37:26,080
in those moments i thought have i really

9435
05:37:29,190 --> 05:37:27,520
achieved that goal

9436
05:37:30,470 --> 05:37:29,200
you know in a few years when they grow

9437
05:37:32,150 --> 05:37:30,480
up they're not going to remember a thing

9438
05:37:35,430 --> 05:37:32,160
about me i don't remember anything about

9439
05:37:37,910 --> 05:37:35,440
my father i lost him too young

9440
05:37:39,990 --> 05:37:37,920
but man that it took me to the core so i

9441
05:37:42,310 --> 05:37:40,000
looked at this as this panic and i

9442
05:37:44,230 --> 05:37:42,320
started out with journaling you know let

9443
05:37:46,230 --> 05:37:44,240
me just express myself let me dump it

9444
05:37:47,990 --> 05:37:46,240
all into a notepad everything that i

9445
05:37:50,708 --> 05:37:48,000
deemed important about life and love and

9446
05:37:53,270 --> 05:37:50,718
success and failure but the reality is

9447
05:37:55,430 --> 05:37:53,280
kurt they're two and four

9448
05:37:56,948 --> 05:37:55,440
you know like these are heavy topics

9449
05:37:59,030 --> 05:37:56,958
right what do you mean they're two and

9450
05:38:00,470 --> 05:37:59,040
four oh i mean they're at the time

9451
05:38:02,948 --> 05:38:00,480
they're ages

9452
05:38:04,390 --> 05:38:02,958
right so it was like

9453
05:38:06,230 --> 05:38:04,400
what are they gonna do with this is this

9454
05:38:07,750 --> 05:38:06,240
appropriate when are they even gonna

9455
05:38:09,030 --> 05:38:07,760
think that this is relevant for them to

9456
05:38:10,868 --> 05:38:09,040
interact with where is this going to

9457
05:38:12,390 --> 05:38:10,878
live so then i switched over to email

9458
05:38:14,230 --> 05:38:12,400
addresses right i created gmail

9459
05:38:16,868 --> 05:38:14,240
addresses which i don't think is

9460
05:38:18,470 --> 05:38:16,878
uncommon for the new parent and i gave

9461
05:38:19,990 --> 05:38:18,480
my best friend the password and i said

9462
05:38:21,590 --> 05:38:20,000
hey listen i'm going to write these

9463
05:38:23,990 --> 05:38:21,600
gmail addresses every time there's a

9464
05:38:26,708 --> 05:38:24,000
significant choice or a moment or a

9465
05:38:28,230 --> 05:38:26,718
discovery or a lesson i've learned or a

9466
05:38:30,310 --> 05:38:28,240
hardship i've gone through and i want to

9467
05:38:32,230 --> 05:38:30,320
give my kids the meaning behind it or

9468
05:38:33,990 --> 05:38:32,240
the context we'll talk about that later

9469
05:38:37,110 --> 05:38:34,000
because that's a big part of transcend

9470
05:38:38,628 --> 05:38:37,120
and how we tell stories but

9471
05:38:40,150 --> 05:38:38,638
i wanted to give those to him so if

9472
05:38:41,350 --> 05:38:40,160
anything ever happened to me again he

9473
05:38:43,030 --> 05:38:41,360
would be able to give these email

9474
05:38:44,708 --> 05:38:43,040
addresses my son and my daughter would

9475
05:38:47,190 --> 05:38:44,718
be able to understand who i was where

9476
05:38:49,110 --> 05:38:47,200
they came from what i had hoped for the

9477
05:38:51,910 --> 05:38:49,120
the advice for them to live the happiest

9478
05:38:53,030 --> 05:38:51,920
most fulfilling most conscious uh lives

9479
05:38:54,948 --> 05:38:53,040
possible

9480
05:38:57,030 --> 05:38:54,958
and that gave me some peace of mind but

9481
05:38:58,948 --> 05:38:57,040
it was cumbersome it was a pain in the

9482
05:39:01,430 --> 05:38:58,958
ass it's not easy to do and like where

9483
05:39:03,350 --> 05:39:01,440
do you start right like i i was

9484
05:39:04,868 --> 05:39:03,360
listening to leo's uh thank you so much

9485
05:39:07,590 --> 05:39:04,878
for turning me on to

9486
05:39:09,350 --> 05:39:07,600
leo's content i think it's uh amazing

9487
05:39:10,070 --> 05:39:09,360
but i was watching a video of his that

9488
05:39:12,310 --> 05:39:10,080
said

9489
05:39:14,628 --> 05:39:12,320
it was life advice for young people and

9490
05:39:16,948 --> 05:39:14,638
it was a multiple hour you know i think

9491
05:39:18,548 --> 05:39:16,958
broken up into two videos

9492
05:39:20,628 --> 05:39:18,558
where he said

9493
05:39:23,190 --> 05:39:20,638
you know i imagine that this is the

9494
05:39:24,230 --> 05:39:23,200
culmination of my entire you know life

9495
05:39:26,310 --> 05:39:24,240
and all the best things that i've

9496
05:39:27,590 --> 05:39:26,320
learned my wisdom my experiences and he

9497
05:39:29,750 --> 05:39:27,600
said i imagine

9498
05:39:31,750 --> 05:39:29,760
as if i had a son in the future and

9499
05:39:33,750 --> 05:39:31,760
maybe i'm dying and he's going to sit

9500
05:39:35,190 --> 05:39:33,760
down and watch one video

9501
05:39:36,548 --> 05:39:35,200
and how can he

9502
05:39:38,548 --> 05:39:36,558
you know uh

9503
05:39:39,910 --> 05:39:38,558
best absorb that information what's the

9504
05:39:41,590 --> 05:39:39,920
most important things that i could tell

9505
05:39:44,310 --> 05:39:41,600
them about traps to avoid and how to be

9506
05:39:46,150 --> 05:39:44,320
happy and successful

9507
05:39:47,910 --> 05:39:46,160
but not everybody's leo gura we all

9508
05:39:50,470 --> 05:39:47,920
can't sit down and riff that for four

9509
05:39:51,910 --> 05:39:50,480
hours and even doing it over gmail for

9510
05:39:53,830 --> 05:39:51,920
me was tough it's like where do you

9511
05:39:56,470 --> 05:39:53,840
start and i heard leo say that like this

9512
05:39:58,150 --> 05:39:56,480
is so enormous of an undertaking it's so

9513
05:40:00,470 --> 05:39:58,160
it's overwhelming

9514
05:40:03,110 --> 05:40:00,480
so that was really the the start of the

9515
05:40:05,430 --> 05:40:03,120
idea if there has to be a better way if

9516
05:40:06,470 --> 05:40:05,440
i was going to try to figure out a way

9517
05:40:09,030 --> 05:40:06,480
to take

9518
05:40:11,510 --> 05:40:09,040
everything that is uh curt

9519
05:40:13,750 --> 05:40:11,520
and make that consumable for people in a

9520
05:40:15,670 --> 05:40:13,760
way that wasn't disposable and was

9521
05:40:17,350 --> 05:40:15,680
private and you owned it what would that

9522
05:40:19,910 --> 05:40:17,360
look like how would i even go about that

9523
05:40:21,510 --> 05:40:19,920
methodology of dissecting what is curt

9524
05:40:23,510 --> 05:40:21,520
that's a tough question

9525
05:40:26,548 --> 05:40:23,520
so we uh you know i worked with a lot of

9526
05:40:29,190 --> 05:40:26,558
professionals and uh we've

9527
05:40:31,030 --> 05:40:29,200
figured out a software application that

9528
05:40:32,390 --> 05:40:31,040
we think is our best effort of how to do

9529
05:40:34,788 --> 05:40:32,400
this and we think we've done a good job

9530
05:40:36,390 --> 05:40:34,798
and we're so excited to give it to folks

9531
05:40:38,868 --> 05:40:36,400
great in that example you said what is

9532
05:40:40,470 --> 05:40:38,878
curt now are you creating for other

9533
05:40:42,628 --> 05:40:40,480
people or is it for you to create for

9534
05:40:44,788 --> 05:40:42,638
yourself no this is for you to create

9535
05:40:46,548 --> 05:40:44,798
for yourself yeah so think of it as

9536
05:40:47,830 --> 05:40:46,558
tools to document

9537
05:40:50,390 --> 05:40:47,840
you know if i had to distill it down

9538
05:40:52,868 --> 05:40:50,400
into one sentence i would say

9539
05:40:55,270 --> 05:40:52,878
transcend is an easy to use mobile

9540
05:40:56,628 --> 05:40:55,280
application that enables you to document

9541
05:40:58,948 --> 05:40:56,638
and preserve

9542
05:41:00,948 --> 05:40:58,958
your legacy is the word i'll use

9543
05:41:01,830 --> 05:41:00,958
for those that you care about

9544
05:41:03,030 --> 05:41:01,840
um

9545
05:41:04,548 --> 05:41:03,040
that's really

9546
05:41:06,628 --> 05:41:04,558
kind of what i think it is right and

9547
05:41:08,310 --> 05:41:06,638
when you think about legacy

9548
05:41:09,430 --> 05:41:08,320
you know if your users google this it's

9549
05:41:11,430 --> 05:41:09,440
gonna say

9550
05:41:13,510 --> 05:41:11,440
you know an amount of money or property

9551
05:41:15,590 --> 05:41:13,520
gifted to a descendant but i think on a

9552
05:41:18,310 --> 05:41:15,600
human being level we all know a legacy

9553
05:41:21,590 --> 05:41:18,320
is so much more deep than that right

9554
05:41:24,390 --> 05:41:21,600
so we've given people the tools uh

9555
05:41:26,310 --> 05:41:24,400
we call them uh starters for example

9556
05:41:28,230 --> 05:41:26,320
to start documenting this stuff right so

9557
05:41:29,830 --> 05:41:28,240
we've got thousands of prompts of every

9558
05:41:31,670 --> 05:41:29,840
vector of who you are to help you kind

9559
05:41:33,590 --> 05:41:31,680
of dive in and pull this info out of you

9560
05:41:35,110 --> 05:41:33,600
and prompt you and then allow you to

9561
05:41:37,270 --> 05:41:35,120
import that information in some really

9562
05:41:39,590 --> 05:41:37,280
creative ways and tell the stories

9563
05:41:42,390 --> 05:41:39,600
behind these moments and save them but

9564
05:41:44,708 --> 05:41:42,400
most importantly it's safe it's private

9565
05:41:45,990 --> 05:41:44,718
it's secure and you own the rights to

9566
05:41:47,750 --> 05:41:46,000
everything

9567
05:41:49,510 --> 05:41:47,760
and that's a big part of this i mean as

9568
05:41:51,510 --> 05:41:49,520
a parent and when i was looking at

9569
05:41:53,190 --> 05:41:51,520
creating the software i looked at social

9570
05:41:55,030 --> 05:41:53,200
media like a few that have come before

9571
05:41:55,910 --> 05:41:55,040
me have tried and failed

9572
05:41:57,750 --> 05:41:55,920
um

9573
05:42:00,470 --> 05:41:57,760
as a data source and i looked at it like

9574
05:42:01,350 --> 05:42:00,480
i'm repulsed by that social media to me

9575
05:42:03,030 --> 05:42:01,360
is the

9576
05:42:04,708 --> 05:42:03,040
the worst place that you could ever look

9577
05:42:07,030 --> 05:42:04,718
for an authentic look at who a human

9578
05:42:08,628 --> 05:42:07,040
being is so using that as a data source

9579
05:42:10,390 --> 05:42:08,638
went right out the window

9580
05:42:12,230 --> 05:42:10,400
so i didn't

9581
05:42:13,190 --> 05:42:12,240
social media app

9582
05:42:14,788 --> 05:42:13,200
um

9583
05:42:17,190 --> 05:42:14,798
but

9584
05:42:19,590 --> 05:42:17,200
it it's i had to build something from

9585
05:42:21,430 --> 05:42:19,600
scratch that was purpose built for this

9586
05:42:23,670 --> 05:42:21,440
and really built on a foundation of

9587
05:42:25,590 --> 05:42:23,680
privacy we had to go write the terms of

9588
05:42:27,190 --> 05:42:25,600
service the privacy policy i mean we

9589
05:42:28,788 --> 05:42:27,200
started from scratch and i don't know if

9590
05:42:31,430 --> 05:42:28,798
i can say this but we have the same

9591
05:42:34,230 --> 05:42:31,440
lawyers as google and i mean as apple

9592
05:42:35,750 --> 05:42:34,240
and facebook they represent us too but

9593
05:42:36,948 --> 05:42:35,760
we had to start from scratch and fund

9594
05:42:39,190 --> 05:42:36,958
these docu because it's almost the

9595
05:42:41,030 --> 05:42:39,200
antithesis it's you own everything i

9596
05:42:42,948 --> 05:42:41,040
don't want it i want to be the steward

9597
05:42:44,708 --> 05:42:42,958
and protector of your data i want to

9598
05:42:46,708 --> 05:42:44,718
help you tell your story and i want to

9599
05:42:48,868 --> 05:42:46,718
safeguard it but i want nothing to do

9600
05:42:51,430 --> 05:42:48,878
with it just like my memories aren't for

9601
05:42:53,510 --> 05:42:51,440
sale my kids aren't for sale my thoughts

9602
05:42:55,110 --> 05:42:53,520
feelings ideas they're not for sale they

9603
05:42:56,948 --> 05:42:55,120
belong to me they belong to my family

9604
05:42:58,868 --> 05:42:56,958
and the people i care about and so

9605
05:43:01,270 --> 05:42:58,878
transcends really built as a platform

9606
05:43:03,510 --> 05:43:01,280
for you to articulate these things save

9607
05:43:05,430 --> 05:43:03,520
them organize them and then transcend

9608
05:43:07,670 --> 05:43:05,440
helps you intelligently present them to

9609
05:43:10,070 --> 05:43:07,680
the right person at the right time ah

9610
05:43:11,910 --> 05:43:10,080
are there export options

9611
05:43:13,990 --> 05:43:11,920
uh not yet so yes we have them on the

9612
05:43:16,548 --> 05:43:14,000
roadmap but we haven't built them in yet

9613
05:43:18,150 --> 05:43:16,558
um but yeah the idea is if you want to

9614
05:43:21,830 --> 05:43:18,160
take all your data off my servers it

9615
05:43:24,070 --> 05:43:21,840
belongs to you do it take it right

9616
05:43:25,990 --> 05:43:24,080
i want to hear firstly

9617
05:43:27,190 --> 05:43:26,000
can i remove it okay great and then

9618
05:43:29,590 --> 05:43:27,200
second

9619
05:43:31,510 --> 05:43:29,600
do you have access to it within your

9620
05:43:33,190 --> 05:43:31,520
servers i'm sure

9621
05:43:35,190 --> 05:43:33,200
there is some way of you accessing it

9622
05:43:37,430 --> 05:43:35,200
but i'm not well i'm not 100 sure so how

9623
05:43:39,910 --> 05:43:37,440
do you overcome that

9624
05:43:41,590 --> 05:43:39,920
sure uh of course in order to service an

9625
05:43:42,948 --> 05:43:41,600
account we have to have the ability to

9626
05:43:44,548 --> 05:43:42,958
help people out right if kurt if you

9627
05:43:46,230 --> 05:43:44,558
created a memory and said hey my memory

9628
05:43:47,430 --> 05:43:46,240
is not functioning correctly i need help

9629
05:43:48,708 --> 05:43:47,440
we have to be able to go in there and

9630
05:43:50,390 --> 05:43:48,718
help you right

9631
05:43:53,110 --> 05:43:50,400
but we've structured this company in a

9632
05:43:55,590 --> 05:43:53,120
way that um your privacy can never be

9633
05:43:57,750 --> 05:43:55,600
compromised right it's it's there's no

9634
05:43:58,948 --> 05:43:57,760
data sharing it's a closed it's a closed

9635
05:44:00,868 --> 05:43:58,958
loop

9636
05:44:02,470 --> 05:44:00,878
and we did that very very intentionally

9637
05:44:04,708 --> 05:44:02,480
and we don't want to be in the business

9638
05:44:06,708 --> 05:44:04,718
of looking at your data at all right

9639
05:44:07,910 --> 05:44:06,718
this is a service and that's why it's a

9640
05:44:09,670 --> 05:44:07,920
paid service right this is a

9641
05:44:11,670 --> 05:44:09,680
subscription-based app i should say that

9642
05:44:13,190 --> 05:44:11,680
upfront because nothing's free you know

9643
05:44:15,750 --> 05:44:13,200
people don't understand when they use

9644
05:44:16,948 --> 05:44:15,760
facebook and instagram you're not paying

9645
05:44:19,110 --> 05:44:16,958
with your money you're paying with your

9646
05:44:21,350 --> 05:44:19,120
privacy and your data i mean

9647
05:44:23,270 --> 05:44:21,360
uh i had my sister the other day post a

9648
05:44:25,350 --> 05:44:23,280
uh uh something that was like hey if you

9649
05:44:27,670 --> 05:44:25,360
were a superhero what superhero would

9650
05:44:29,190 --> 05:44:27,680
you be and i had to let her know hey do

9651
05:44:31,030 --> 05:44:29,200
you know what that really is that's just

9652
05:44:33,190 --> 05:44:31,040
mining your data it's a personality

9653
05:44:35,510 --> 05:44:33,200
profile you know like everything that

9654
05:44:38,788 --> 05:44:35,520
you do is meant to game you and sell who

9655
05:44:40,310 --> 05:44:38,798
you are right so we had to architect the

9656
05:44:42,390 --> 05:44:40,320
very nature of transcend to be that

9657
05:44:43,990 --> 05:44:42,400
antithesis and because no precedent had

9658
05:44:45,910 --> 05:44:44,000
existed we had to be the first ones and

9659
05:44:47,270 --> 05:44:45,920
that's that's why i'm confident insane

9660
05:44:48,708 --> 05:44:47,280
we're the first ones

9661
05:44:50,548 --> 05:44:48,718
so some people listening right now

9662
05:44:52,230 --> 05:44:50,558
they're sold in the sense that this

9663
05:44:54,548 --> 05:44:52,240
sounds huge

9664
05:44:56,390 --> 05:44:54,558
how practically does it work can you

9665
05:44:58,470 --> 05:44:56,400
take us through a use case yeah

9666
05:45:00,628 --> 05:44:58,480
absolutely so

9667
05:45:02,628 --> 05:45:00,638
let's say uh you go to create a post

9668
05:45:04,390 --> 05:45:02,638
inside of transcend if you uh or you

9669
05:45:06,470 --> 05:45:04,400
capture a moment i think something

9670
05:45:08,470 --> 05:45:06,480
that's lacking from all social platforms

9671
05:45:10,470 --> 05:45:08,480
is the ability to articulate why it's

9672
05:45:12,788 --> 05:45:10,480
important to you or why it's meaningful

9673
05:45:14,628 --> 05:45:12,798
nobody cares nobody gives a damn

9674
05:45:16,708 --> 05:45:14,638
but as human beings this is literally

9675
05:45:19,590 --> 05:45:16,718
what you and i are we are meaning making

9676
05:45:21,830 --> 05:45:19,600
machines this is what we do yet somehow

9677
05:45:22,470 --> 05:45:21,840
it's been overlooked by everybody you

9678
05:45:24,788 --> 05:45:22,480
know

9679
05:45:26,230 --> 05:45:24,798
so when you post content on transcend

9680
05:45:27,990 --> 05:45:26,240
you're taking through an additional step

9681
05:45:30,708 --> 05:45:28,000
of annotation or telling the story

9682
05:45:33,430 --> 05:45:30,718
behind it so you can create videos you

9683
05:45:34,948 --> 05:45:33,440
can create uh text posts you can create

9684
05:45:37,030 --> 05:45:34,958
you know written posts you could create

9685
05:45:39,030 --> 05:45:37,040
audio um

9686
05:45:40,470 --> 05:45:39,040
and then or a combination of all of

9687
05:45:42,150 --> 05:45:40,480
those but then you're taken through an

9688
05:45:44,470 --> 05:45:42,160
annotation step where you actually tell

9689
05:45:46,548 --> 05:45:44,480
the story of why it's meaningful to you

9690
05:45:48,548 --> 05:45:46,558
and then you decide who has access to it

9691
05:45:51,030 --> 05:45:48,558
when they have access to it how or where

9692
05:45:52,548 --> 05:45:51,040
they have access to it

9693
05:45:55,350 --> 05:45:52,558
and then that goes into what we call

9694
05:45:56,150 --> 05:45:55,360
your legacy or a timeline for example

9695
05:45:58,470 --> 05:45:56,160
right

9696
05:46:01,910 --> 05:45:58,480
so as of today we're in step one of a

9697
05:46:03,670 --> 05:46:01,920
three-step process it's intuitive

9698
05:46:05,350 --> 05:46:03,680
next step is immersive

9699
05:46:06,548 --> 05:46:05,360
and then the third step is going to be

9700
05:46:08,150 --> 05:46:06,558
interactive

9701
05:46:09,830 --> 05:46:08,160
so as of right now you're able to

9702
05:46:11,830 --> 05:46:09,840
interact with this content if you have

9703
05:46:13,270 --> 05:46:11,840
permission you can go in and experience

9704
05:46:14,868 --> 05:46:13,280
it you can go through all the media and

9705
05:46:16,948 --> 05:46:14,878
hear the stories of why this is

9706
05:46:19,030 --> 05:46:16,958
meaningful right that's kind of step one

9707
05:46:21,030 --> 05:46:19,040
that's uh intuitive like a facebook

9708
05:46:23,030 --> 05:46:21,040
memory or an apple memory

9709
05:46:24,470 --> 05:46:23,040
except we have this edge that nobody

9710
05:46:26,868 --> 05:46:24,480
else has and i've probably given up our

9711
05:46:29,750 --> 05:46:26,878
secret sauce here um and we've met with

9712
05:46:31,190 --> 05:46:29,760
apple um yeah what is the other

9713
05:46:33,350 --> 05:46:31,200
but

9714
05:46:34,708 --> 05:46:33,360
you know if you look at apple's memories

9715
05:46:36,470 --> 05:46:34,718
or facebook's memories they're looking

9716
05:46:37,910 --> 05:46:36,480
at tons of metadata to figure out why

9717
05:46:39,990 --> 05:46:37,920
things are important to you how many

9718
05:46:41,830 --> 05:46:40,000
times did you open it did you share it

9719
05:46:43,830 --> 05:46:41,840
did you change the color did you post it

9720
05:46:45,270 --> 05:46:43,840
did you add an emoji you know all of

9721
05:46:46,628 --> 05:46:45,280
these little data points to say this

9722
05:46:48,708 --> 05:46:46,638
must mean something occurred because

9723
05:46:50,390 --> 05:46:48,718
he's messing with it a lot right with

9724
05:46:52,470 --> 05:46:50,400
transcend we actually get to the heart

9725
05:46:54,628 --> 05:46:52,480
of exactly why that's meaningful to you

9726
05:46:56,230 --> 05:46:54,638
why and who it's meaningful for outside

9727
05:46:58,310 --> 05:46:56,240
of you because you're setting up these

9728
05:47:01,110 --> 05:46:58,320
permissions and telling us so this gives

9729
05:47:03,110 --> 05:47:01,120
us this extreme edge of being able with

9730
05:47:04,868 --> 05:47:03,120
really good accuracy almost eerie

9731
05:47:06,390 --> 05:47:04,878
accuracy to be able to promote the

9732
05:47:07,750 --> 05:47:06,400
things that are for the right person at

9733
05:47:10,788 --> 05:47:07,760
the right time so

9734
05:47:12,230 --> 05:47:10,798
you know in the next step this is

9735
05:47:14,708 --> 05:47:12,240
beta right now but it's not in

9736
05:47:16,548 --> 05:47:14,718
production you know my daughter one day

9737
05:47:18,070 --> 05:47:16,558
can pick up the phone and say hey dad

9738
05:47:20,310 --> 05:47:18,080
i'm having a really bad day at school

9739
05:47:22,548 --> 05:47:20,320
can you tell me a funny story

9740
05:47:25,190 --> 05:47:22,558
and it's gonna say well piper's asking

9741
05:47:26,948 --> 05:47:25,200
dad that's matt phillips story is a tag

9742
05:47:29,590 --> 05:47:26,958
you know funny is a tag it's gonna reach

9743
05:47:31,830 --> 05:47:29,600
into this deep you know data ocean that

9744
05:47:33,510 --> 05:47:31,840
i've privately built for myself and it's

9745
05:47:36,150 --> 05:47:33,520
going to pull out the piece of real

9746
05:47:37,430 --> 05:47:36,160
authentic content that i have recorded

9747
05:47:38,708 --> 05:47:37,440
and tagged

9748
05:47:40,948 --> 05:47:38,718
and then it's going to present that to

9749
05:47:42,548 --> 05:47:40,958
her in real time right so

9750
05:47:45,590 --> 05:47:42,558
i had somebody in a meeting yesterday

9751
05:47:47,030 --> 05:47:45,600
say um oh this is like superman's cave

9752
05:47:48,868 --> 05:47:47,040
where he talked to his father in the

9753
05:47:51,190 --> 05:47:48,878
crystal i've never seen this but it

9754
05:47:53,030 --> 05:47:51,200
seems like a good analogy right so right

9755
05:47:55,350 --> 05:47:53,040
now it's it's you're browsing you're

9756
05:47:57,030 --> 05:47:55,360
browsing the content and we go the extra

9757
05:47:57,990 --> 05:47:57,040
step by capturing the story and the

9758
05:47:59,510 --> 05:47:58,000
meaning

9759
05:48:00,788 --> 05:47:59,520
but the more data that we have in the

9760
05:48:02,548 --> 05:48:00,798
system the better we're getting it

9761
05:48:04,070 --> 05:48:02,558
intelligently presenting these memories

9762
05:48:05,830 --> 05:48:04,080
and moments to the right person at the

9763
05:48:08,310 --> 05:48:05,840
right time so you can interact with them

9764
05:48:09,510 --> 05:48:08,320
if that makes sense

9765
05:48:11,990 --> 05:48:09,520
now

9766
05:48:13,670 --> 05:48:12,000
we go a step further because i realized

9767
05:48:15,110 --> 05:48:13,680
hey not everybody's had my experience

9768
05:48:16,628 --> 05:48:15,120
not everybody's a parent not everybody

9769
05:48:18,230 --> 05:48:16,638
cares about legacy

9770
05:48:20,628 --> 05:48:18,240
i would argue that this is more about

9771
05:48:22,788 --> 05:48:20,638
meaning and and connection

9772
05:48:25,990 --> 05:48:22,798
so we put a lot of tools in here to help

9773
05:48:27,990 --> 05:48:26,000
people connect with the people and

9774
05:48:28,948 --> 05:48:28,000
and loved ones that they have in real

9775
05:48:31,270 --> 05:48:28,958
time

9776
05:48:33,830 --> 05:48:31,280
so on top of the props for we call them

9777
05:48:35,910 --> 05:48:33,840
insight prompts or insight starters that

9778
05:48:37,510 --> 05:48:35,920
all feed your legacy with prompts about

9779
05:48:39,590 --> 05:48:37,520
moments and memories

9780
05:48:41,190 --> 05:48:39,600
we also have starters that are more for

9781
05:48:42,788 --> 05:48:41,200
engagement or connection

9782
05:48:44,708 --> 05:48:42,798
so if you want to have a meaningful

9783
05:48:46,788 --> 05:48:44,718
conversation with your significant other

9784
05:48:49,190 --> 05:48:46,798
about you know how could i be a better

9785
05:48:51,350 --> 05:48:49,200
husband for you or tell your kids that

9786
05:48:53,030 --> 05:48:51,360
you're proud of them or have a tough

9787
05:48:55,670 --> 05:48:53,040
conversation with your boss or your

9788
05:48:57,590 --> 05:48:55,680
child or your brother or your mother we

9789
05:48:59,190 --> 05:48:57,600
have thousands and thousands of prompts

9790
05:49:01,430 --> 05:48:59,200
categorized by situation and